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HP Branded iPod and Music Store
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Re: Re: well!!!
No, it's the other way around. The multi-year exclusive deal is for the iTunes software bundling with HP PCs, not for the iPod hardware. Things will get really interesting if we also see in the future iPods branded from others like Gateway, Toshiba, etc. as well.
"Schiller would not say whether Apple may look to craft similar deals with other computer or electronics makers. While that part of the deal is not exclusive, Schiller said HP's promotion of the iTunes Music Store through its PCs is a "multiyear, exclusive" deal."
No, it's the other way around. The multi-year exclusive deal is for the iTunes software bundling with HP PCs, not for the iPod hardware. Things will get really interesting if we also see in the future iPods branded from others like Gateway, Toshiba, etc. as well.
"Schiller would not say whether Apple may look to craft similar deals with other computer or electronics makers. While that part of the deal is not exclusive, Schiller said HP's promotion of the iTunes Music Store through its PCs is a "multiyear, exclusive" deal."
Hmmm... HP has too many divergent hardware and software systems now. Alpha chips, VAX/VMS, 3 Unixes.... not to mention ITANIUM (co-developed between HP & Intel).
Adding a new OS (and chipset I assume?) may not be seen as 'a good thing'. However, there are other places Apple and HP could work together... Like a home media device?. Or the use of Mac interface (and Cocoa?) on their Unix and VMS?
On Apple's side - I think it would be good for them. HP have a great computer service groups - so if they ever sold Mac+PowerPC, they'd give great support to corporates. They would also be unlikely to undercut Apple in the corporate area. And users would buy other apple things like .Mac, OSX upgrades, and iLife.
ps. There is another company with great corporate support who use the PowerPC already... IBM. Pity they don't get more involved with Apple software (OSX, iTunes, whatever)
Steve at Keynote
Did you see how happy Steve was about their marketshare in the MP3 player market?
How he did that little arm flap and torso turn? That was a funny sight to see. I don't think I've ever seen him that happy, (as opposed to being excited). It was nice to see that.
Felt good to be a market leader in something. HEHE
Did you see how happy Steve was about their marketshare in the MP3 player market?
How he did that little arm flap and torso turn? That was a funny sight to see. I don't think I've ever seen him that happy, (as opposed to being excited). It was nice to see that.
Felt good to be a market leader in something. HEHE
Re: Press release info
I wonder if there is a coincidence or only due to capacity that the minis are not going worldwide until april... I feel something's cooking...
I wonder if there is a coincidence or only due to capacity that the minis are not going worldwide until april... I feel something's cooking...
Anyone see the MS reply:
Windows about choice... yeah, that's just why Netscape + + + + and now Real is sueing their asses all the time...
I am laughing so my heart threatens to stop... ;D
Windows about choice... yeah, that's just why Netscape + + + + and now Real is sueing their asses all the time...
I am laughing so my heart threatens to stop... ;D
Yes absolutly. I was really amazed when I read it first. Couldn't believe it. This is definitly a very huge move.
Originally posted by Wkaemena
And finally every HP and Compac computer will come with Quicktime installed..... ( via itunes for WIN)
That's exactly the first thing I thought of!
I'm a developer for a (currently PC only) video software company, that's been using QuickTime for some time but was going to switch to Windows Media. This might just swing things back in QuickTime's favour - and might make a Mac version possible.
oh dear
Oh dear I guess this news about 7% penetration of the US pda market is true.
Ransath, you said
Wrong. The iPaq name was FIRST used in their PDA name. Then the Ipaq music player. The Ipaq PDA line along with quality laptops and desktops were the sole reason Compaq did so well, and why Fiorina wanted to buy COmpaq out.
Glad to hear that HP brand iPod will not undersell the Original, nor will it taint the name.
Oh dear I guess this news about 7% penetration of the US pda market is true.
Ransath, you said
You mentioned something along the line that the IPaq name was borrowed towards their PDA line.
Wrong. The iPaq name was FIRST used in their PDA name. Then the Ipaq music player. The Ipaq PDA line along with quality laptops and desktops were the sole reason Compaq did so well, and why Fiorina wanted to buy COmpaq out.
Glad to hear that HP brand iPod will not undersell the Original, nor will it taint the name.
Re: oh dear
Actually the iPaq name was first used for a Compaq Desktop PC.....
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10638_na/10638_na.HTML
Actually the iPaq name was first used for a Compaq Desktop PC.....
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10638_na/10638_na.HTML
iPod in blue, with hp logo. That's the only differences that I can find.
I wonder how long until people scream that it is unfair how new computers (PC market) come with iTunes installed, with a link on the desktop that takes you to iTMS???
It is the basis for many a lawsuit against M$ after all...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3132-2004Jan9.html
I'm too lazy to look through 10 pages of posts, so if this pic hasnt been posted:
So its either going to be black I guess or else thats just the back of the ipod at a weird angle
So its either going to be black I guess or else thats just the back of the ipod at a weird angle
Originally posted by iPC
I wonder how long until people scream that it is unfair how new computers (PC market) come with iTunes installed, with a link on the desktop that takes you to iTMS???
It is the basis for many a lawsuit against M$ after all...
The major difference is this I believe:
Microsoft owns Windows, and they build programs INTO the OS in ways that they can't, or are difficult, to remove. And then put the compatition in such a hidden place, or else made it so it was hard for them to run there software.
As someone else pointed out, on new windows machines lots of icons are right on the desktop out of the box (sadly) and that iTunes won't be any different. It won't be build into the OS, it will just be another program among many. Besides, Microsfot is being sued for the ABUSE of power. Apple has no power, so they can't abuse it
What I hope won't happen is Microsoft threaten HP behind closed doors, or else change the Windows OS in a way that puts there own Music store above iTunes, and maybe make it impossible for iTunes to run...
I can just see it...
"woops, well, I guess our new update for windows doesn't let iTunes run, sorry aobut that. Here you go Apple, here's what you need to fix it, now go work on that iTunes update for 6 months".
...in the mean time Microsofts Music store takes front page on all windows machines...
*sigh*
Tyler
Earendil
I doubt that would happen. It would be too obvious.
It would be VERY interesting to be a fly on the wall though at HP with their new media-box-pc 'thing'. It certainly must be using iTunes eh? And sync to iPod?
MS will be pushing themselves... and their device can run iTunes and sync with iPod so it's possible. So will the hp device be Windows/Intel based? Mac/PowerPC? Or something distinctly HP - Alpha? Itanium? HP/UX unix? Linux? Or some new lower power device? Compatible with whatever Apple does? And does iPhoto have a future here?
Interesting view. Apple have made loads of money on the iPod. considering they have sold the entire production run at full price in the run up to christmas. I think they have done 2 billion dollars this last quater
Re: Re: Press release info
iTMS world wide would be good. I originally was hoping it was going to be anounced at MWSF but nothing eventuated
Originally posted by iMan
I wonder if there is a coincidence or only due to capacity that the minis are not going worldwide until april... I feel something's cooking...
iTMS world wide would be good. I originally was hoping it was going to be anounced at MWSF but nothing eventuated
Interesting also that there where more or less accurate rumors about almost everything that eventuated at MWSF - but this HP deal hit right out of the blue... and this being maybe the biggest thing Apple have pulled in some time it is certain they can suprise a lot in time to come.
Also I kind of feel they are merging more and more with the rest of the computerworld - i.e. with Mac OS X the Mac is not that strange an animal as it used to be... the pods and ITMS going windows another indication... I am not sure how this ties in strategically though... I suppose Apple still needs to sell it's hardware...
Also I kind of feel they are merging more and more with the rest of the computerworld - i.e. with Mac OS X the Mac is not that strange an animal as it used to be... the pods and ITMS going windows another indication... I am not sure how this ties in strategically though... I suppose Apple still needs to sell it's hardware...
The HP deal does bring up some interesting questions about their computers and Mac OS.
However, far from HP becoming a provider of Mac clones, I think this is reflecting the change in attitude of Apple. They are learning to work with Windows, rather than as a complete 'other side' (which we refer to as the good side ). The iPod and this are good vehicles to get Apple known and for people to realise that Apple is a force to reckoned with, and this will lure people towards Macs in the long run.
For HP, this is merely a way of being in the music player market (which they are forced to now, or will risk getting left behind). If you can't beat them (i.e. the iPod), why don't you join them?
However, far from HP becoming a provider of Mac clones, I think this is reflecting the change in attitude of Apple. They are learning to work with Windows, rather than as a complete 'other side' (which we refer to as the good side
). The iPod and this are good vehicles to get Apple known and for people to realise that Apple is a force to reckoned with, and this will lure people towards Macs in the long run.For HP, this is merely a way of being in the music player market (which they are forced to now, or will risk getting left behind). If you can't beat them (i.e. the iPod), why don't you join them?
This is only the beginning, read on...
From money.cnn.com:
"HP also announced plans to start selling this fall what it calls an "entertainment hub" that will include a single, central storage device, as well as a distribution and access point for all music, photo, video and movie collections in the home."
I'll be willing to bet that this will be the long rumored "iBox" from Apple (see http://www.macosx.com/content/article.php?cid=55 ) branded for HP and will include Windows - compatible versions of iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD.
From money.cnn.com:
"HP also announced plans to start selling this fall what it calls an "entertainment hub" that will include a single, central storage device, as well as a distribution and access point for all music, photo, video and movie collections in the home."
I'll be willing to bet that this will be the long rumored "iBox" from Apple (see http://www.macosx.com/content/article.php?cid=55 ) branded for HP and will include Windows - compatible versions of iPhoto, iMovie and iDVD.
New mini is coming (according to Schiller, WSJ 1/12/04)?????
Although I have not seen this elsewhere, today (1/12/2004) in the Wall Street Journal, Philip Schiller is quoted as saying a new cheaper mini iPod is coming, assuming they wrote what he said.
Here is the relevant part of the article
(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB10738611995996000,00.html?mod=technology_main_whats_news - subscription required):
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Apple's senior vice president of world-wide product marketing, Philip Schiller, says the entry of Microsoft -- a company "who copied us before will try to copy us again," he says -- doesn't especially worry Apple.
His company hopes to boost iPod sales through a lower-priced version of the device introduced last week for $249 -- $50 less than Apple's least-expensive existing model. In February Apple kicks off an iTunes marketing campaign with PepsiCo Inc. Apple has said its iTunes site is only marginally profitable for it and that it makes more money from selling iPods.
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Note they say "a lower priced version of the iPod introduced last week" (e.g. a lower priced iPod mini).
Perhaps the reporter meant to say "a lower priced version of the iPod, which was introduced last week." But, that isn't what they say, they say, 'a lower priced version of the device [that was] introduced last week.' Likewise there is no comma to segment the clause, so (a) the online and hard copy papers made a mistake, (b) the reporter can't write, or (c), they really meant what they said.
Perhaps they are just idiots, but I hope not.
I also liked the quotation about Microsoft and copying. Quite funny.
Although I have not seen this elsewhere, today (1/12/2004) in the Wall Street Journal, Philip Schiller is quoted as saying a new cheaper mini iPod is coming, assuming they wrote what he said.
Here is the relevant part of the article
(http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB10738611995996000,00.html?mod=technology_main_whats_news - subscription required):
...
Apple's senior vice president of world-wide product marketing, Philip Schiller, says the entry of Microsoft -- a company "who copied us before will try to copy us again," he says -- doesn't especially worry Apple.
His company hopes to boost iPod sales through a lower-priced version of the device introduced last week for $249 -- $50 less than Apple's least-expensive existing model. In February Apple kicks off an iTunes marketing campaign with PepsiCo Inc. Apple has said its iTunes site is only marginally profitable for it and that it makes more money from selling iPods.
...
Note they say "a lower priced version of the iPod introduced last week" (e.g. a lower priced iPod mini).
Perhaps the reporter meant to say "a lower priced version of the iPod, which was introduced last week." But, that isn't what they say, they say, 'a lower priced version of the device [that was] introduced last week.' Likewise there is no comma to segment the clause, so (a) the online and hard copy papers made a mistake, (b) the reporter can't write, or (c), they really meant what they said.
Perhaps they are just idiots, but I hope not.
I also liked the quotation about Microsoft and copying. Quite funny.
What most guys in business fail to observe or realise is that corporate women tend to be sharp shrewd operators when doing deals. Basically they USE their brains when doing deals. Most guys can only think of one thing at a time while women have that "multi tasking" ability which usually includes planning what they are doing and thinking about the consequences, watching what the opposition is doing and seeing the consequences and planning ahead for the next big move to counter the oppositions response all in one breath. Meanwhile the guys are only focused on the current deal they are doing.