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HP dm1z vs Air 11"

tom vilsack said:
are savings worth?

-extra weight
-warm lap,and noise
-crapware crapware crapware
-virus/spyware/keyloggers
-slow hdd

id pass
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- it weighs a little more, not a lot.
-How did you determine this? the review states that the machine never felt like it was overheating and that it remained at room temperature most of the time
-You're right about that
-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.
-Yep, it is a slower HDD, but that's par for the course in this price range.

If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.
 
2IS said:
If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.
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Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.

Look, when people ask me what computer they should buy I almost always say Apple. WHY?

Because I know from past history, they get a Windows type machine and 6 months later are calling ME to friggin clean it out. I then have to go and remove all the JUNK on their systems.

Unless people are very computer savvy, like myself and can understand the process of removing spyware and keeping their computer clean, I almost always tell them to get a MAC. The extra price you pay is there for a reason.
You can't just compare specs, there's more to it.

I always end the conversation with, if you go with a windows based computer, do not ever call me to fix any spyware/virus issues.
 
Boston007 said:
Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.
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I never said they are NOT tools, I merely said that they ARE fashion statements. That may or may not apply to you specifically but it does apply to a lot of people and that's why the argument has gone on. You being sick of it won't make it go away especially since it's true.

You can't always force a square peg in a round hole. Inexpensive PC's have their place just as their more expensive Mac counterparts do.
 
2IS said:
I never said they are NOT tools, I merely said that they ARE fashion statements. That may or may not apply to you specifically but it does apply to a lot of people and that's why the argument has gone on. You being sick of it won't make it go away especially since it's true.

You can't always force a square peg in a round hole. Inexpensive PC's have their place just as their more expensive Mac counterparts do.
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LOL I agree with your statement
 
Boston007 said:
Oh and Apple computers are not tools, only fashion statements?

These argument has gone on a long time and I'm sick of it.

Look, when people ask me what computer they should buy I almost always say Apple. WHY?

Because I know from past history, they get a Windows type machine and 6 months later are calling ME to friggin clean it out. I then have to go and remove all the JUNK on their systems.

Unless people are very computer savvy, like myself and can understand the process of removing spyware and keeping their computer clean, I almost always tell them to get a MAC. The extra price you pay is there for a reason.
You can't just compare specs, there's more to it.

I always end the conversation with, if you go with a windows based computer, do not ever call me to fix any spyware/virus issues.
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Actually that's not the case with Windows 7. I was always fixing my parents computer when they had XP, but when I upgraded them to a new system with 7, I stopped getting calls. It works very smoothly. We have it in our office as well.

The reason there is excessive spyware and viruses targeted towards Windows is because that is the predominant system out there. If a virus wants to propagate, it will have to do so on Windows, because there aren't enough Mac users out there. If 90% of the population was using Macs, you'd see the same problem there.

If someone doesn't mind spending over 1K for an 11.6" laptop, then go for it. The MBA design is cool. The 2GB RAM setup, however, was slow when I tested it, you need at least 4GB. For me, however, it's not as much a price issue as much as it just doesn't make sense to me, when I'll basically be using the system for Word and to browse the web, maybe listen to a little music and watch a couple of vids. But that's all anyone would do with their Mac anyhow.

In the longer run, desktop and laptop OS's will become irrelevant anyhow.
 
tom vilsack said:
are savings worth?

-extra weight
-warm lap,and noise
-crapware crapware crapware
-virus/spyware/keyloggers
-slow hdd

id pass
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It's not a slow HDD, it runs at 7200 rpm, that's a pretty fast HDD. However, there is a SSD option as well, which will obviously make it run even faster and also apparently adds another hour to what is already a MBA-killing battery life.
 
Personally I prefer the Lenovo X120e(same specs as the HP) over the HP for one key reason alone. It comes with a matte screen which I am told is pretty nice to use. Plus, you can get a bigger battery, granted it sticks out, but still an option for when you really need it I guess.

I would like to get the Air, but I need an optical drive, and a matte screen in a 12in or under size, plus other than the gpu the rest of the specs are pretty identical. The Lenovo came close, but cpu is a downgrade from the SU9x000 cpu.
 
2IS said:
- it weighs a little more, not a lot.
-How did you determine this? the review states that the machine never felt like it was overheating and that it remained at room temperature most of the time
-You're right about that
-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.
-Yep, it is a slower HDD, but that's par for the course in this price range.

If you take the MBA and the HP and ask people which they want if the cost the same, most would probably go with the MBA based on looks alone. You ask those same people which they want when you give them the actual prices, most will probably opt to go with the HP. For most people a computer is merely a tool to access information. Not a fashion statement or status symbol.
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-extra pound is extra pound (carry around all day and you notice weight)
-im assuming from past hp laptop (damn thing cooked lap and sounded like a jet plane when fans kicked up
-glad we agree about crapware
-dont ask me how (and no i don't watch porn) but got some spyware program once that required reinstall of os...was pain
-air's ssd makes all the difference (way more then cpu or ram)


-with apple earnings from a couple days back...they said one of reasons for blowout earnings was due to air...thus i think most people would pay up for it....in fact they are!
 
tom vilsack said:
-with apple earnings from a couple days back...they said one of reasons for blowout earnings was due to air...thus i think most people would pay up for it....in fact they are!
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Really? You think most people are willing to pay twice as much because of an SSD and <1lb. Perhaps I should have clarified my position. When I say "most people" i'm talking about the rest of the world, not forum members. The Air selling well does not mean most people are buying it over less expensive products. I'm not sure how you're coming to that conclusion. Sure, maybe if you look at specific model sales, the Air may sell more than a single particular competing model, but that's not exactly an accurate comparison since there are tons of PC products that compete against one another.

I deal with people on a regular basis, and while MOST are impressed with the Air when I show them mine, MOST of them give me a funny look, promptly shut the lid and hand it back to me after I tell them how much I paid. You just need remove your white tinted glasses to know that most people are in fact, quite cheap.
 
KPOM said:
The Engadget review gave the HP a score of 2213 on the 3DMark and supposedly it is capable of 1080p (though the screen is 720p, like the 11" MacBook Airs). It's still well shy of a current MacBook Air, but might other AMD chips be capable of putting out similar numbers?
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im not sure how they arrived at that value

take a look at this

http://lgponthemove.blogspot.com/2010/09/first-impressions-hp-dm1z-notebook.html

On the GPU side, AMD is offering the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4225 graphics. Pulling in a 3DMark06 score of 1444, this solution is better than the anemic 3150 found in the N550 by around a factor of 10.

Compared to

an overclocked 320m 3dmark 06 score of 5340

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/904300/

stockwise its around mid to high 4k+
 
2IS said:
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-That's an end users personal problem. I've never had a virus on my PC's. If you're going to surf porn you need to learn not to hit "yes" for every dialog box that pops up if you're on a PC. Sad but true.
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tom vilsack said:
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-dont ask me how (and no i don't watch porn) but got some spyware program once that required reinstall of os...was pain
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in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and don´t realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"
 
Drezin said:
in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and don´t realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"
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These people are idiots. They think spyware is only gotten through porn sites.
How stupid and naive they are. Spyware is hidden in many different sites.

Type in a wrong url and you'll go to a nice spam site.

While Win7 is much more secure than the previous versions of Windows you STILL need to install some form of malware program.

BTW, to those with PCs MalwareBytes and Microsoft Security Essentials are all you will ever need. They are the best and that is a fact.
 
Drezin said:
in my experience, people who claim not to have ever had a virus on Windows are those who have their computers completely infected and don´t realize it.

"no need to scan my thumb drive, no viruses... my pc is clean"
few minutes later... "57 threats detected"
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I run scans routinely bud. Other than tracking cookies, which isn't a virus, trojen, keylogger or anything of the sort, it's clean. I'm not doubting your experience, but there are people out there that actually do know what they're doing and I happen to be savvy enough to avoid infection. If I'm going to open anything that I even think may contain any malicious code, I run it in Virtual PC.
 
MBA has better resale value.

Sturdier chassis. Feels better. Will wear better.

Less weight. Major difference. I think it's nearly a 1 1/2 lbs difference. The MBA weighs around 40% less.

Looks better. Aluminum vs creaky plastic.

Much faster cpu. Core2Duo vs a faster atom-class cpu

faster gpu? Haven't confirmed or denied this yet. But I do know most $600 pc laptops do not have faster gpus than the 320M.

Better screen. Often overlooked. But most cheap pcs have cheap screens with poorer color/contrast and viewing angles. MBA screen gets big win.

Better trackpad. Don't overlook this. Noticed in quite a few cheaper pc laptops that the trackpads are a bit flakey and annoying. And smaller. And no multi-gestures or flakier multi-gestures.

FAster storage because of SSD. This is a $150 difference right there.

30 day sleep with instant-on. Great feature of new MBA.

iPhoto/iMovie/Time Machine vs pc software/bloatware. I don't think you're getting this type of quality software on most cheap pcs.

lack of spyware/viruses and need for extra resource eating programs running in the background. Yes you can get free programs which will save some money. All will eat computer resources though. And can interfere with other programs.



$500 more for that.

HP gets you some more standard ports without use of adapters.

Age old story of Macs vs pcs.
 
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No, way the weight difference is a 1lbs and half. The air weights like what 2.7lbs while this weights in at about 3.5lbs.

Creaky plastic? My iBook, which I am pretty sure was made out of plastic and never creaked nor does the Macbooks of friends and family that have one(around 5). My mothers Vaio F(made out of plastic) she uses for work never creaks, nor does my carbon fiber plastic Vaio TT(only valid replacement I could find for the iBook).

As for the SSD both HP and the similar spec'ed Lenovo come with an SSD option. Plus, instant on isn't just a feature of the MBA, pretty much any laptop with a proper SSD will have that feature. I know I have seen MBP, Sony Vaio, and Lenovo X201 tablets with an intel SSD installed have start ups just as fast as the Air, and wake times from sleep that also the same.

Just saying. I wish Apple could bring back the something like the old 12in Powerbook. A compact 12in(or the now popular 11.6in or new popular Lenovo 12.5in) machine with an optical drive firewire, sd card slot and a couple of usb ports.
 
My god, the fanboyism in here astonishes me.

Look, one laptop is $450, the other is $1000. There is more than a 100% price difference. The DM1 is awesome for what it is, the Air is awesome for what it is. Let's leave it at that. While the same form factor, they are two totally different beasts.
 
trip1ex said:
MBA has better resale value.

Sturdier chassis. Feels better. Will wear better.

Less weight. Major difference. I think it's nearly a 1 1/2 lbs difference. The MBA weighs around 40% less.

Looks better. Aluminum vs creaky plastic.

Much faster cpu. Core2Duo vs a faster atom-class cpu

faster gpu? Haven't confirmed or denied this yet. But I do know most $600 pc laptops do not have faster gpus than the 320M.

Better screen. Often overlooked. But most cheap pcs have cheap screens with poorer color/contrast and viewing angles. MBA screen gets big win.

Better trackpad. Don't overlook this. Noticed in quite a few cheaper pc laptops that the trackpads are a bit flakey and annoying. And smaller. And no multi-gestures or flakier multi-gestures.

FAster storage because of SSD. This is a $150 difference right there.

30 day sleep with instant-on. Great feature of new MBA.

iPhoto/iMovie/Time Machine vs pc software/bloatware. I don't think you're getting this type of quality software on most cheap pcs.

lack of spyware/viruses and need for extra resource eating programs running in the background. Yes you can get free programs which will save some money. All will eat computer resources though. And can interfere with other programs.



$500 more for that.

HP gets you some more standard ports without use of adapters.

Age old story of Macs vs pcs.
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Apparently their CPU is quite fast. way faster than an Atom.
GPU however is 1/3 to 1/4 as slow
 
Cerano said:
i think 3dmark 06 is as good as any gauge we have for obtaining real life figures

the graph on the thread shows CPU power not GPU power

and WPRIME is a very "benchmark"

if you're familiar with 3Dmark you will know its one of the most real life benchmarks around
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No, it isn't. While 3dmark 06 is more accurate than other benchmarks, it is still a benchmark. There are ways to artificially increase benchmark scores - something Intel and nVidia have been known to do. Look it up.
 
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