Seriously, go join some hardware forums and you'll learn how much of a joke 3DMark has become. 3d mark doesn't mean crap. It's good for testing the performance gain from an overclock. It is in no way an accurate measurement of how two DIFFERENT cards perform. I replaced an 8800GT in my desktop with a HD 4850 a couple years ago. The 4850 actually scored a little lower than the 8800GT but performed better in literally every single game I played. nVidia chipsets have for the most part performed a bit better in 3DMark, that performance gap rarely gets maintained when going to in-Game performance, which is what matters. If you think 3D Mark is accurate, you REALLY don't know what you're talking about.
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HP dm1z vs Air 11"
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Seriously, go join some hardware forums and you'll learn how much of a joke 3DMark has become. 3d mark doesn't mean crap. It's good for testing the performance gain from an overclock. It is in no way an accurate measurement of how two DIFFERENT cards perform. I replaced an 8800GT in my desktop with a HD 4850 a couple years ago. The 4850 actually scored a little lower than the 8800GT but performed better in literally every single game I played. nVidia chipsets have for the most part performed a bit better in 3DMark, that performance gap rarely gets maintained when going to in-Game performance, which is what matters. If you think 3D Mark is accurate, you REALLY don't know what you're talking about.
im in HWZ and Anandtech and NBR. Honestly 3Dmark is as accurate as any benchmark goes out there right now
its still a synthetic benchmark I agree and does not represent some real life situations however I think its pretty good mate
With that said I agree we need to go look at real life FPS.
However, given the CPU, it may in fact be a bottleneck for the Dm1's GPU performance on certain games
Like I said, it's good for certain things, like testing the same card at different clock speeds. It'll give you a good indication of how much performance is lost/gained. It's a decent stability test if you're looking for artifacts, particularly if you loop the tests and allow the heat to build up. When you start using to compare the performance of GPU's with different architectures however, it becomes grossly inadequate. And that's before we facter into account driver cheats or as nVIdia likes to call them, "optimizations" that strictly benefit 3DMark score. Both nVidia and ATI/AMD have been guilty of these optimizations, but the former more so.
I wouldn't take Engadget's word for anything for a wide variety of reasons.
HP consumer laptops are poorly made with terrible quality control and support. Their corporate laptops like the W series are much better but cost as much or more than Mac laptops. Plus they run Windows and I've had enough Windows to last me a lifetime. Windows 7 is just Microsoft's latest mediocrity. if your fine with Windows you can do better than this HP. Look at the Toshiba Portege series for example.
HP consumer laptops are poorly made with terrible quality control and support. Their corporate laptops like the W series are much better but cost as much or more than Mac laptops. Plus they run Windows and I've had enough Windows to last me a lifetime. Windows 7 is just Microsoft's latest mediocrity. if your fine with Windows you can do better than this HP. Look at the Toshiba Portege series for example.
update
Got the dm1z.
Build quaility: 8/10 points deducted because some sort of metal would have been nice. Now the reason it got an 8 would be because its very solidly build. I even love the feel of it in my hand.
Touchpad: 8/10 it was very responsive but I wish it was taller. Macs haves me spoiled here
Performance: 10/10 I had 8tabs open one listening too music the others are flash sites. All this while I opened a word document and wrote a thank you letter to my boss for writing me a letter of recommendation. 0 freeze or lag everything went smooth as hell.
Gaming: 9/10 just played mw2 mid to high setting across the board. Played smoothly around 25 to 35 fps.
Battery: 10/10 got 5.5 hours
Scrren: 9/10 with a 1366x768 resolution it was crisp clear and bright. Wish resolution was higher but whateva
Overall: 9
typing from my I touch so sorry for the errors
Got the dm1z.
Build quaility: 8/10 points deducted because some sort of metal would have been nice. Now the reason it got an 8 would be because its very solidly build. I even love the feel of it in my hand.
Touchpad: 8/10 it was very responsive but I wish it was taller. Macs haves me spoiled here
Performance: 10/10 I had 8tabs open one listening too music the others are flash sites. All this while I opened a word document and wrote a thank you letter to my boss for writing me a letter of recommendation. 0 freeze or lag everything went smooth as hell.
Gaming: 9/10 just played mw2 mid to high setting across the board. Played smoothly around 25 to 35 fps.
Battery: 10/10 got 5.5 hours
Scrren: 9/10 with a 1366x768 resolution it was crisp clear and bright. Wish resolution was higher but whateva
Overall: 9
typing from my I touch so sorry for the errors
Definitely part of the reason I buy apple products.
My first laptop was a $600 Acer, which I sold for $250 a year after I got it, to buy my first Macbook for about $1000. I sold the Macbook 2.5 years later for $700.
Just a little example on how when you buy Apple, you might spend more, but if you're reselling when you upgrade, you might just be saving more than you think. I may have just spent $1700 on an Ultimate 13 MBA, but I'm thinking my old 15" MBP will go for at least $1000, making it a 700 dollar upgrade.
update
Got the dm1z.
Build quaility: 8/10 points deducted because some sort of metal would have been nice. Now the reason it got an 8 would be because its very solidly build. I even love the feel of it in my hand.
Touchpad: 8/10 it was very responsive but I wish it was taller. Macs haves me spoiled here
Performance: 10/10 I had 8tabs open one listening too music the others are flash sites. All this while I opened a word document and wrote a thank you letter to my boss for writing me a letter of recommendation. 0 freeze or lag everything went smooth as hell.
Gaming: 9/10 just played mw2 mid to high setting across the board. Played smoothly around 25 to 35 fps.
Battery: 10/10 got 5.5 hours
Scrren: 9/10 with a 1366x768 resolution it was crisp clear and bright. Wish resolution was higher but whateva
Overall: 9
typing from my I touch so sorry for the errors
How's the weight/size? Have you compared it to the 11" MBA? (just curious!)
mba 11" is 2.3lbs and the dm1z is 3.5lbs. substantial for some but I don't really feel it. what I do feel is the difference in thinness. mba tapers from .68" to .11", dm1z on the other hand is from 1.2" down to .8" so even at it's thinnest point it's thicker than the mba at it's thickest. doesn't really bother me though although it would've been nice. my friend has a mba 11" and what I like so much on that than the dm1z is it's trackpad where on the dm1z is quite big and responsive, it's not as tall as the one on the mba.
I abuse small things and am very happy that I went with the dm1z over the air. paying $550 more for something thinner with a better touchpad wasn't worth it for me. And honestly I don't feel a difference in performance either because I'm a light user. AMD fusion is incredibly capable. If need to do something heavier like photoshop or something and your a career photographer for example than I completely understand getting the air over this.
Now to wait for the new MBP 13" to release and wait for the student deal where they give a free itouch along with it and I'll be set
I'll do a comparison when I get mine. I ordered one a few days ago.
I have a mba 11.6 ultimate config 1.6ghz 4gb ram 128gb ssd... It's my favorite machine (ie the one I use all the time) on the minus side, it cost 1399+tax.
I have ordered a dm1z with 3gb ram and 320gb hd for 419$. I will be ordering a sandforce 64gb SSD for about 100$. Total cost will be 520$+tax
I am buying it as a laptop to bring to work on the bad side of town I'm going to be at for 4 months. the MBA says "please mug me!" and dells and HP say "Do you have any spare change?"
I see no reason to crap on something because it's not an air. I expect to get about ~90% of the performance of a stock base air in normal day to day activities and uses for about 50% of the cost. Yes it's heavier, but apparently runs cool and has a better battery life in usage than the MBA.
I plan to go back to the air as my daily carry once I finish, and the DM1z will go to my fiance to replace her netbook she uses as a main comp.
It's the right tool for the right job.
I have a mba 11.6 ultimate config 1.6ghz 4gb ram 128gb ssd... It's my favorite machine (ie the one I use all the time) on the minus side, it cost 1399+tax.
I have ordered a dm1z with 3gb ram and 320gb hd for 419$. I will be ordering a sandforce 64gb SSD for about 100$. Total cost will be 520$+tax
I am buying it as a laptop to bring to work on the bad side of town I'm going to be at for 4 months. the MBA says "please mug me!" and dells and HP say "Do you have any spare change?"
I see no reason to crap on something because it's not an air. I expect to get about ~90% of the performance of a stock base air in normal day to day activities and uses for about 50% of the cost. Yes it's heavier, but apparently runs cool and has a better battery life in usage than the MBA.
I plan to go back to the air as my daily carry once I finish, and the DM1z will go to my fiance to replace her netbook she uses as a main comp.
It's the right tool for the right job.
yes it runs very cool. your fiance would love it! lmao I don't think dell and HP says "do you have any spare change?"
. I brought it to class with me and this very hot girl with an ipad was just asking me about it. got her number so we can study for our economics midterm. might use this opportunity and am tempted to cheat on the gf 
I'm buying this one for my 10yr old son for his projects and homework. Pretty decent laptop for the price and performance. Doesnt really compete w/ the MBA, but it does give the affordability for consumers who can't afford the MBA.
go to HP website and add the laptop on your cart and use this coupon.
LHD30
it will expire 4/30
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Excuse the old thread, but although I appreciate the HP dm1z, its construction is garbage in comparison to a MBA. Price is what drives the dm1z's value, there is no other. After finally getting my hands on one I now know why Sony for exmple has the same for alot more money. Granted I only paid 380 for the dm1z (7200rpm HD), you get what you pay for. But I can not justify paying any more for what is a lower end power.
Paying 500 and up for a nicer build Sony, is just shy of much more powerful systems, even getting a 11Air, even refurb, is a total different experience. Not to mention will look state of the art years after. PC's look like crap after a year.
Note, the HP touch mouse pad is large and responds well to touch, though there is a raised horizontal line which is annoying (WTF). Truth be told a HUGE another reason why I wrote off the Sony was because Sony's mouse pad is itsy bitsy small. I was a big advocate of HP by the specifications, but after seeing the construction in person, even compared to other HP laptops, the dm1z apeal is left wanting... Dam you Apple!!
For the value, the dm1z is a good buy, you just need to remember to format and reinstall Windows without all the software garbage, same for any Windows based computer, otherwise one should buy Apple.
FYI, Staples appears to now have the dm1z on display if anyone is curious.
I know this is an old thread, but NOTHING hp makes compares to the air or macbook pros. Hp is crap.
Believing an Engagdet "review" is your first mistake. That site is a bunch of kids whose main job is to post nonsense to generate page views and ads.
HP consumer laptops are cheap plastic junk with minimal support. Their business laptops are excellent but cost four times more. Plus you would be running Windows.
Besides HP is getting out of consumer laptops. There is no money in making cheap laptops.
HP consumer laptops are cheap plastic junk with minimal support. Their business laptops are excellent but cost four times more. Plus you would be running Windows.
Besides HP is getting out of consumer laptops. There is no money in making cheap laptops.
I am typing on the Lenovo equivalent, the x120e. It is definitely light at 3lbs, and with installing my own SSD, is snappy as hell. I paid... 340 for it plus the price of the SSD (100 ish) -- half the price of the Macbook Air.
5-6 months ago when this post was made, I'd say that this is fairly competitive with the Air. Now with the new one, I would definitely pay the extra for the i5.
5-6 months ago when this post was made, I'd say that this is fairly competitive with the Air. Now with the new one, I would definitely pay the extra for the i5.
My wife has a dm1z and I have a MacBook pro 17" 2008 and now a MacBook Air 13".
The dm1z is a total piece of crap. We have had to reinstall the OS on it a few times in less than 2 months because HP has pushed updates that prevent it from booting. After the second time, we turned off the HP's version of autoupdate. The last update problem corrupted the files it updated and I had to rebuild the system from scratch.
The track pad is tiny and the mouse buttons are extremely loud. The build quality of it is overall poor. It feels like cheap plastic.
Because it is Windows 7 home premium, we cannot use the MS backup software to backup to my NAS box. You have to get the business professional to backup over the network. Cobian backup does the job, but what an annoyance not to be able to do this out of the box.
The screen quality of the dm1z is terrible. It is much dimmer than the MBA and MBP screens. It is also much worse than an older Dell latitude that she had prior to the dm1z. Same problem the dm1z screen is very dim. In a darkish room this isn't a problem but anywhere with sunlight makes reading the screen difficult.
After my wife saw/used my new MacBook Air 13", we are ordering her either an 11" or 13" depending on which size she prefers, even though she is a PC girl.
The dm1z is a total piece of crap. We have had to reinstall the OS on it a few times in less than 2 months because HP has pushed updates that prevent it from booting. After the second time, we turned off the HP's version of autoupdate. The last update problem corrupted the files it updated and I had to rebuild the system from scratch.
The track pad is tiny and the mouse buttons are extremely loud. The build quality of it is overall poor. It feels like cheap plastic.
Because it is Windows 7 home premium, we cannot use the MS backup software to backup to my NAS box. You have to get the business professional to backup over the network. Cobian backup does the job, but what an annoyance not to be able to do this out of the box.
The screen quality of the dm1z is terrible. It is much dimmer than the MBA and MBP screens. It is also much worse than an older Dell latitude that she had prior to the dm1z. Same problem the dm1z screen is very dim. In a darkish room this isn't a problem but anywhere with sunlight makes reading the screen difficult.
After my wife saw/used my new MacBook Air 13", we are ordering her either an 11" or 13" depending on which size she prefers, even though she is a PC girl.