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I think at this point Apple wants to brag about battery life more than QC. I think the planets are aligning and 2011 will be a great time to get a QC Macbook Pro and a solid SSD.

We're really at the tail end of this platform era. I look at today's computers as unbalanced. 3Gbps SATA is becoming limiting, USB 2.0 has been limiting for a while.

I'm really looking at PCI Express 3.0, USB 3.0, SATA 6Gbps, SSD & Light Peak as key drivers for the next hardware platform.

I'd be quite surprised to see more than one of those technologies show up in the next gen.
 
I'd be quite surprised to see more than one of those technologies show up in the next gen.
As would I. Both Intel and AMD keep their mobile platforms a generation or two behind their desktop ones in terms of I/O and buses.

HP's MUSE effort with its trickle down to the lower priced models and the hardware options are becoming very attractive to me.
 
I'd be quite surprised to see more than one of those technologies show up in the next gen.

6Gbps SATA will probably be guaranteed. USB 3.0 should make the cut. PCI Express 3.0 is probably 2H 2011. Light Peak probably won't make the cut 'til H2 2011 as well.

For Quad Core laptops I expect Apple to jettison the optical drive. Add another 2.5" storage bay and larger battery. This way BTO configs will be able to deliver SSD+ HDD configs or even RAID configs which would need that SATA 6Gbps for unlimited performance.
 
Wake me up when Apple gets on board with cutting edge technology and I'll gladly sell my current MBP to buy a new one, but until then I'm happy with what I got. The HP still has an ugly plasticky look to me.
 
You're fortunate to be getting an MBP and not the HP. I've got a newish HP laptop and it came LOADED with bloatware.. All in all a real PITA experience.

cheers
johnG

It's still not a reason to avoid getting a new HP. It's easy to remove all the junk in the control panel.

When my current 4 year old HP dies, if it ever does, I will replace it with another HP. Very reliable computers.
 
Im in the same position...but a little more middle grounded but most likely getting a 15 MBP but the Envy is really appealing...I'm waiting for the BTS special and get a free Ipod touch but hopefully by then people will have reviewed the battery life and if it is more superior then I have a major choice to make if not I will be getting the MBP due to its battery life, trackpad, beauty, and OS.
 
As impressive as the spec's are, when it comes to PC laptops, get a thinkpad or suffer the consequences.
Well said!

I work in both environments, OS X & Windows. Years of experience have proven to me, the Top Two Best Laptops are the MacBook Pro & ThinkPad. No doubt about it.

I've used both for years & could not be happier.
 
I wouldn't trade my new MBP for anything. What exactly are you guys doing that require horsepower that wasn't available a year ago?
 
Well said!

I work in both environments, OS X & Windows. Years of experience have proven to me, the Top Two Best Laptops are the MacBook Pro & ThinkPad. No doubt about it.

I've used both for years & could not be happier.

And I'll 4th that :)

If you look at the total picture on a portable machine the MBP is really hard to beat. I'm not even talking about subjective measure like aesthetics, but things like weight and battery life that are often ignored when people pimp specs from other portables.

And then there are subjective measures like how I hated the keyboard bending and moving under my hands while I typed on the last Dell I was forced to use. I mean really, here was a $1k machine that couldn't hold it's shape during normal use.
 
Two words: Battery Life.

Other than that, yeah, it seems like a pretty sweet piece of hardware.

The Envy 15 maxed out costs around $3700, and the optical drive is external, so says the BTO.
 
You're talking about the past. Apple now is all about iPad and iPhone... They don't give a s... about the professional users.
Unfortunately it does seem to be that way. In the years prior to the iPod, Apple was fading away. Then with the roaring success of the iPod, Apple was rejuvenated. Further bolstered by huge revenues from iTunes, Apple decided to get in bed with Hollywood & the entertainment industry. Next up was the introduction of the iPhone & the decision to rename the company. Now known as Apple Inc. instead of Apple Computer Inc. From that point forward it's been a different game for Apple.
 
Go for it. Buy the HP. Whatever choice you make doesn't have the slightest bearing on the rest of us. Float your boat. Now, if you're asking why I choose the MBP over the HP (or Sony Vaio Z or Dell XPS or ????), then that's a different story.

For me, specs are just a tiny, tiny, tiny part of what I'm looking for in a portable computer. Far more important to me are things like usability, the efficiency with which I get my work done, and the ease of interaction with the computer. Very-top of the list for why I like the MBP is the trackpad. Hands-down for me, a lightyear ahead of any other laptop manufacturers offering. Once you get used to the seemless multi-touch gestures on the MBPs, it's really hard to interact with any other laptop. Seriously, just go try the HP Envy or the Vaio Z touchpads after using the MBP. It's nearly unthinkable that such lousy input devices smear otherwise nice, expensive hardware from other manufacturers.

Another really important issue to me is the ease that the machine runs real-world software that I use. Mac OS X has advantages all over Windows 7 in this area, not the least is that its a far less attractive target for viruses and malware. My Mac OS applications work flawlessly (especially the Mac verisons of the Office products compared to W7 - I personally can 't stand the ribbon interface of Office 2007 on W7). Sure, Apple charges a premium for its hardware. You do get the bonus of OS X tuned to this hardware, which allows it to working seemlessly and blazingly fast. No shovelware, no bloatware, no turning my desktop into a virtual billboard for whatever company signed a contract with HP or Sony or Dell.

To take another relevant issue: the Mac just works. My laptop sleeps when I close the lid, and wakes in about 1.5 seconds when I reopen. I can't tell you have flawed this process has been on some very-high-end Windows laptops (hello Sony Vaio Z!). Keyboard backlighting just works (hello again Sony, which turns off the backlight when the screen brightness exceeds 50%). External monitors/projectors just work when I plug them in, no complex reconfiguration settings. A huge issue for me as I lecture frequently in various settings and classrooms and need my vugraphs to project, reliably and professionally everytime.

So, you're welcome to focus on specs. Go for it. I'm sure you'll be pleased and have everything you wish. No ones forcing you to buy the MBP or any other PC. You have to decide for yourself what's important. Me, I just choose the machine that works best for my real-world applications with no hassle, fewer problems, and an efficiency and ease of use at the top of the list, as these were my priorities. Yours may be different.

It looks like you take the "just work" philosophy a little bit to literally. do not know if you are aware that on Windows laptops you can control what it should do when you open/close the lid. When it comes to this simple operation, there is simply more scenarios for PC laptops because they have docking stations and you do not necessarily want the laptop to pause when you close the lid. I also do not quite understand why anybody would want the keyboard to stay backlit when the screen brightness is above 50%. You just can not use the laptop in a dark room with such bright screen. Perhaps you encounter some exotic lighting situations as a lecturer though. The "bonus of OS X tuned to this hardware" mantra is very outdated. Windows 7 works fine on just everything. Besides when you buy a computer from any major manufacturer you get constant updates for all your drivers specifically tailored to your machine anyways. This is no different than what Apple does.

I general I see that at least you admit that MBP hardware is outdated,. It's a good first step ;)
 
It looks like you take the "just work" philosophy a little bit to literally. do not know if you are aware that on Windows laptops you can control what it should do when you open/close the lid. When it comes to this simple operation, there is simply more scenarios for PC laptops because they have docking stations and you do not necessarily want the laptop to pause when you close the lid. I also do not quite understand why anybody would want the keyboard to stay backlit when the screen brightness is above 50%. You just can not use the laptop in a dark room with such bright screen. Perhaps you encounter some exotic lighting situations as a lecturer though. The "bonus of OS X tuned to this hardware" mantra is very outdated. Windows 7 works fine on just everything. Besides when you buy a computer from any major manufacturer you get constant updates for all your drivers specifically tailored to your machine anyways. This is no different than what Apple does.

I general I see that at least you admit that MBP hardware is outdated,. It's a good first step ;)


I don't know if I'd say the current MBP hardware is outdated. It has the i* series processors and some fairly cutting edge battery technology. I wouldn't consider the unibody design outdated at all either. Easily one of the most solid laptops I've ever owned.

Admittedly it's been awhile since I've owned a Windows laptop, but when I did it was always dicey if the computer was going to wake from sleep. Is that something that's finally been fixed in Win7? I hope so, since overall it seems much better based on using it in a VM.
 
I'm yet to see any advantages getting a QC today. They use a lot more power and are in many tasks falling behind the DC Arrandale.

I would I buy a 1.8GHz QC over a 2.66GHz DC, at this point, no. The pros does not outweighs the cons. The i7-840QM is still a 45nm Clarksfield with a TDP at 45w.

Also I'm tried of "newbie" members making posts about Envys, Vaios and others..

We can read, and those of us that care about news form HP or Sony does read engadget and other techblogs.
 
While the MBP may not have the greatest specs, there's no equal in terms of build quality.

If you carefully look at an Envy, it's really a poor imitation. The MBP's are much more solid and better designed. Details such as the magnetic latch and new mag-safe port show a deeper concern for usability.

That said, it's probably the best alternative to a MBP, if you're a PC Windows user.
 
It looks like you take the "just work" philosophy a little bit to literally. do not know if you are aware that on Windows laptops you can control what it should do when you open/close the lid. When it comes to this simple operation, there is simply more scenarios for PC laptops because they have docking stations and you do not necessarily want the laptop to pause when you close the lid.

No, I'm not taking the "just work" thing too-literally. I own 4 laptops, only one MBP. I have a high-end Sony Z, a Dell 1440 Inspiron, and a Toshiba. Every one of the W7 (and 1 Vista machine) laptops have erratic lid-closed behavior. A significant fraction of the time, when I open the lid after a sleep, each of these machines crash or hang. Honestly, I use laptops constantly. I've only recently bought the MBP (new i7 15" model). It's such a substantially superior experience to other laptops I've been using for years, that its increased my productivity quite measurably.

YMMV.
 
It looks like you take the "just work" philosophy a little bit to literally. do not know if you are aware that on Windows laptops you can control what it should do when you open/close the lid. When it comes to this simple operation, there is simply more scenarios for PC laptops because they have docking stations and you do not necessarily want the laptop to pause when you close the lid. I also do not quite understand why anybody would want the keyboard to stay backlit when the screen brightness is above 50%. You just can not use the laptop in a dark room with such bright screen. Perhaps you encounter some exotic lighting situations as a lecturer though. The "bonus of OS X tuned to this hardware" mantra is very outdated. Windows 7 works fine on just everything. Besides when you buy a computer from any major manufacturer you get constant updates for all your drivers specifically tailored to your machine anyways. This is no different than what Apple does.

I general I see that at least you admit that MBP hardware is outdated,. It's a good first step ;)
OSX Sleep>Win7 Sleep. Try living with both.

Most companies like HP/Dell/Toshiba have outdated software update systems. On top of that, some install a program that runs in the background that searches for updates on top of Windows Update. This leads to unnecessary RAM/CPU usage. Toshiba (and probably many others) also includes many 'utilities' that must be installed and run in the background to support their features. These utilities are usually mandatory and take up valuable RAM/CPU. For my Tecra M7, I had at least 6 Toshiba 'utilities' that were required to run in the background (supporting touchpad, webcam, keyboard etc.). Quitting any of these would result in poor functionality.

One could even argue that the trade off between performance is negated a bit for bloatware. Sure if your savvy you can uninstall all that crap, but I've seen MANY Win7 computers owned by students with McAfee FREE TRIAL/PopCap icons on the desktop. God knows what is going on under their process tree.
 
I'm yet to see any advantages getting a QC today. They use a lot more power and are in many tasks falling behind the DC Arrandale.

I would I buy a 1.8GHz QC over a 2.66GHz DC, at this point, no. The pros does not outweighs the cons. The i7-840QM is still a 45nm Clarksfield with a TDP at 45w.

Also I'm tried of "newbie" members making posts about Envys, Vaios and others..

We can read, and those of us that care about news form HP or Sony does read engadget and other techblogs.

The point was to make a discussion here- I could care less about your ability to find your news. But, congratulations anyway.
 
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