HP Spectre 13.3 vs MacBook 12

[Queen6]

Very much agree about the old Sony VAIO X line, highly innovative for it`s time the sheet battery was a store of genius, adding little to the weight of the notebook, and nothing to the footprint.

Lenovo 900S ticks many of the boxes in the 2lb class, especially the M5 with 256 SSD, which is also user upgradable. Would ideally prefer an iCore CPU/iGPU, equally in and around the 2lb class, cooling, fan noise may be a concern. Also like the Samsung`s 13" Notebook 9 Spin, however it`s up around 3lb more comparative to the 13" rMB and pricing is atrocious here in Asia.

Just seen the latest leak for the upcoming 2016 Macbook Dongle (aka Pro), very much the opposite of a useful business machine, definitely a greater step towards the average/recreational user. If this pans out, the reduction size & weight will be offset by the number of dongles I would need to carry for my use case. Ever Thinner & Lighter in this class of machine 13 & 15 (prosumer/professional) is simply becoming detrimental to many`s usage, equally Apple took the practical aspects of the MacBook Pro off the table several years back.

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[KPOM]

Very much agree about the old Sony VAIO X line, highly innovative for it`s time the sheet battery was a store of genius, adding little to the weight of the notebook, and nothing to the footprint
Just seen the latest leak for the upcoming 2016 Macbook Dongle (aka Pro), very much the opposite of a useful business machine, definitely a greater step towards the average/recreational user. If this pans out, the reduction size & weight will be offset by the number of dongles I would need to carry for my use case. Ever Thinner & Lighter in this class of machine 13 & 15 (prosumer/professional) is simply becoming detrimental to many`s usage, equally Apple took the practical aspects of the MacBook Pro off the table several years back.

Q-6

I completely disagree. USB-C is the future, so you won't need a bunch of dongles. You might be able to carry a universal hub for when you do need to use legacy ports. More and more third party products are hitting the market daily. The rest of us won't need to lug around a bunch of legacy ports we never use.

 

[Queen6]

I completely disagree. USB-C is the future, so you won't need a bunch of dongles. You might be able to carry a universal hub for when you do need to use legacy ports. More and more third party products are hitting the market daily. The rest of us won't need to lug around a bunch of legacy ports we never use.

I very much support the adoption of USB C, equally if you purchase a USB C only notebook and actually use it in a typical mobile business environment your going to need dongles for several years ahead guaranteed. I have 12" rMB so am acutely aware of this. After a year of use in the field I have yet to see anything that the rMB can physically connect to without some form of adaptor or dongle.

The rMPB class of notebook is far more likely to have more peripherals hanging off it. Personally a staged approach would be a better solution. The all or nothing approach will only detract many seriously users, equally truth be said Apple`s target audience is well "the rest to us"

Hopefully USB C. TB-3 uptake wil accelerate, as right now we are not in the future, rather the present with work to do, and really not wanting a bag of dongles to get the job done...

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[Precursor]

I completely disagree. USB-C is the future, so you won't need a bunch of dongles. You might be able to carry a universal hub for when you do need to use legacy ports. More and more third party products are hitting the market daily. The rest of us won't need to lug around a bunch of legacy ports we never use.

USB-C or TB3 with USB-C port?
Once RMBP rolls out with TB3 through USB-C ports we'll see so many accessories coming out all connecting through the USB-C port but it will be TB3, which we won't be able to use on our RMB

 

[Queen6]

USB-C or TB3 with USB-C port?
Once RMBP rolls out with TB3 through USB-C ports we'll see so many accessories coming out all connecting through the USB-C port but it will be TB3, which we won't be able to use on our RMB

As influential Apple is, they simply do not produce or sell enough units to sway the peripherals market. Until the big players align fully with USB C & TB-3 there will be a gap spanning several years. Apple`s focus is IOS devices & services, the Mac being little more than a sideline to iToys, hence the poor shape of affairs.

rMB has been out for over a year, yet the number of USB C accessories is still very limited. Release of the rMBP will make little difference as the volume of sales is simply too small in the greater scope of things. As for the rMB & TB-3 Kaby lake is likely the key if Apple chooses to implement.

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[KPOM]

USB-C or TB3 with USB-C port?
Once RMBP rolls out with TB3 through USB-C ports we'll see so many accessories coming out all connecting through the USB-C port but it will be TB3, which we won't be able to use on our RMB

Not everything needs TB3. Certainly not USB-A, flash drives, or display adapters. Sensible companies will maximize compatibility. Remember some phones and tablets also use USB-C but not TB3.

 

[grahamperrin]

… sway the peripherals market …

Years ago, a more exciting Apple played some part in swaying adoption of USB.

 

[Queen6]

Years ago, a more exciting Apple played some part in swaying adoption of USB.

True, although I rather feel times have changed. Personally I think that USB C & TB-3 are fantastic developments, equally USB 3.0 is no slouch, with infinitely more peripherals on the market, add in that the Windows OEM`s are now also producing high quality thin & light notebooks that support a plethora of legacy ports.

To me the MacBook Pro should retain versatility, agreed should the 2016 rMBP launch with 4 USB C/TB-3 ports it will undoubtedly have more bandwidth than any other portable ever produced, equally your going to need to use adaptors and dongles to take advantage of that bandwidth for a considerable time, and hands down thats just inconvenient.

Personally I would rather not be dealing with multiple dongles & adaptors. As ever much is determined by the usage, my rMB I rarely need to physically connect to peripherals, however my rMBP`s I frequently use the ports, either ways we are stuck with dongles and adaptors with portable Mac`s only question is how many are you willing to carry about with you?

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[zhenya]

As far as a work machine goes, I've been travelling with Windows laptops for work for near-on 15 years now, and I always have a small bag of various dongles in there with me, despite using Thinkpads which are generally the last mainstream notebooks to get rid of legacy ports. I just can't see how switching to usb-c would change anything for me. The reality is I could probably reduce the number I carry with a TB3 port as I could get everything I need in one small device that combines usb-a, Ethernet, HDMI, etc. Carrying those dongles with me is a requirement of my job. A new computer like a MBP with this port selection wouldn't change things at all.

 

[Precursor]

As influential Apple is, they simply do not produce or sell enough units to sway the peripherals market. Until the big players align fully with USB C & TB-3 there will be a gap spanning several years. Apple`s focus is IOS devices & services, the Mac being little more than a sideline to iToys, hence the poor shape of affairs.

rMB has been out for over a year, yet the number of USB C accessories is still very limited. Release of the rMBP will make little difference as the volume of sales is simply too small in the greater scope of things. As for the rMB & TB-3 Kaby lake is likely the key if Apple chooses to implement.

Q-6

I think Apple as a brand has enough share in the computer market (7.5%) and MBP makes up a big portion of it, certainly bigger than rMB. If you look at external displays for example, the 4 year old TBD works with MBA and MBP but not with a 2016 rMB. If Apple releases a new TBD this year (and rumors say they will) rMB won't be able to utilize it as it has no TB controller.
There are PC motherboards out now with TB3 (USB-C) ports and monitors coming out which will all benefit the new MBP but not rMB. When Kabylake comes out by the end of this year, all PCs even will switch to TB3. I am not saying MBP will drive the peripheral market, intel will. And rMB will be severely handicapped.

 

[SteveJUAE]

I think Apple as a brand has enough share in the computer market (7.5%) and MBP makes up a big portion of it, certainly bigger than rMB. If you look at external displays for example, the 4 year old TBD works with MBA and MBP but not with a 2016 rMB. If Apple releases a new TBD this year (and rumors say they will) rMB won't be able to utilize it as it has no TB controller.
There are PC motherboards out now with TB3 (USB-C) ports and monitors coming out which will all benefit the new MBP but not rMB. When Kabylake comes out by the end of this year, all PCs even will switch to TB3. I am not saying MBP will drive the peripheral market, intel will. And rMB will be severely handicapped.

If anything currently devices with USB-C are handicapped in terms of availability of attachments as will those with TB3 Type C ports, It won't be as bad as when USB first came out as it took years for USB peripherals to become common place but USB-C will have to fight against the umpteen millions of legacy devices consumes still have.

Given the smaller number of MAC's and an even smaller number of rMB and an even smaller number of rMB owners wanting to use TB3 and the lag of TB3/USB-C devices I think very few will be handicapped and by the time TB3 becomes mainstream the rMB will of died or been upgraded

 

[Gpulvi]

If anything currently devices with USB-C are handicapped in terms of availability of attachments as will those with TB3 Type C ports, It won't be as bad as when USB first came out as it took years for USB peripherals to become common place but USB-C will have to fight against the umpteen millions of legacy devices consumes still have.

Given the smaller number of MAC's and an even smaller number of rMB and an even smaller number of rMB owners wanting to use TB3 and the lag of TB3/USB-C devices I think very few will be handicapped and by the time TB3 becomes mainstream the rMB will of died or been upgraded

I couldn't agree more with you. Sometimes we just want to have the best and latest, just to say we have it. How many of you use a TB2 peripheral? We'll have to wait a few years before USB-C becomes a standard, so with TB3. When that happen, I bet we'll be asking for a TB4 MacBook

 

[Serban]

its just a TB3 was an only speed bump..the TB3 with usb-c is another thing...is more useful and more mainstream. you can have a display at 5k thanks to TB3 and usb-c port, you can charge your device, transfers files,use external gpu and so on....tb2 it was just a interface with more speed...TB3 is the big thing

 

[SteveJUAE]

its just a TB3 was an only speed bump..the TB3 with usb-c is another thing...is more useful and more mainstream. you can have a display at 5k thanks to TB3 and usb-c port, you can charge your device, transfers files,use external gpu and so on....tb2 it was just a interface with more speed...TB3 is the big thing

We all know that, but it does not happen overnight is the point

 

[kis]

As I said on the Asus thread: Windows = lousy touchpad.