Amazon's tablets will no doubt sell as loss leaders with them depending on content and accessory sales to make up the difference. HP could have done the same by making a deal with the media providers or even Amazon to pre-install apps that lead to their MP3, Movie, audiobook and ebook stores. One of the reason Smart TVs are so low in price is the installed apps for movie content. Too late to prove if would have worked, of course.
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HP TouchPad vs iPad
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Hi. Ate you ever going to address your post where you claimed thenipad couldn't listen to music and browse the web, etc, at the same time? You know, the post where you demonstrated you have zero experience with iOS multitasking?
I got in on a 16GB Touchpad that is still waiting to ship, along with a Touchstone wireless charger for $35 from BBY. I'm thinking I'll sell my iPad 2 and just use the Touchpad and pocket the difference. I've been fairly disappointed in the iPad 2 as far as an upgrade over the original. I don't touch the cameras ever, and it doesn't feel much faster. If they deliver something really impressive next year with the iPad 3 I could sell the Touchpad for probably more than I bought it for and upgrade.
On a side note, do you guys think I would get more money selling my iPad 2 on eBay jailbroken, or updated to the 5.0 GM when it comes out?
On a side note, do you guys think I would get more money selling my iPad 2 on eBay jailbroken, or updated to the 5.0 GM when it comes out?
I agree. Sell your iPad2 and wait for the iPad3. In The meantime, use your touchpad.
I still don't understand these fanboys who talk as if the ipad2 absolutely blows away the ipad1 in performance. I've used both and can't justify replacing my iPad 1 when it performs just about as good as the ipad2.
2 garbage cameras? Nah don't really need them.
Barely increase in performance? No thanks.
No - he'll just ignore it and continue to spout his off-base ramblings all over the forum.
Try it first. I have both, and would sell the touchpad and take the hit. The iPad 2 might not have been much faster than the iPad 1 (probably because the iPad 1 is already fast for most things, the 2 is MUCH faster when you really need power). In comparison the touchpad is much slower than the iPad 1, you need to install a bunch of tweaks and over clock it to get it anywhere near. It's still usable, but the speed gets frustrating if you're used to an iPad. Plus there's very little in the way of apps, so it's not good for much beyond web + email.
And now HP are apparently thinking ok making a few more TouchPads, due to the "increased demand".
Just goes to prove that they have no clue.
Just goes to prove that they have no clue.
And now HP are apparently thinking ok making a few more TouchPads, due to the "increased demand".
Just goes to prove that they have no clue.
Nope, it goes to show they stopped production so suddenly that huge deliveries of touchpad parts are still arriving at the factory, and it'll be cheaper to make them and sell them at a loss than dump them somewhere
They have outstanding orders to fill. They no doubt have an ongoing contract with the factory that makes them which would cost more in penalties to break. The more webOS devices that end up in consumer hands helps make it (webOS) a more valuable asset. HP surely wants to sell it off. I'll credit them with 3/4 of a clue.And now HP are apparently thinking ok making a few more TouchPads, due to the "increased demand".
Just goes to prove that they have no clue.
i don't consider myself a fanboy, i own the ipad 1, and i'd say the 2 is clearly superior. in the old debate about whether to upgrade or not, i've obviously decided it isn't worth it, but put the two devices head to head, and the performance is obviously better. can't you both be right? the ipad 2 blows the ipad 1 away, but it isn't enough to upgrade. the same could be said about most product iterations (cars, refrigerators, computers, etc. all work this way). i think a lot of us wait one or two product cycles before upgrading (i recently went from ipod 1 to ipod 4). it's an economic rather than a performance question.
the question relevant to this thread is whether it is worth purchasing an hp tablet. different people will come up with different answers, of course, but so far nothing about it appears superior to the ipad 2, and only a few specs really seem to outdo the ipad 1. so, if you are getting one, it is probably not as a substitute for the ipad. 99 is a great deal for a tablet like this, but there are only so many tablets i can fit into my life, so the deal doesn't seem so great in that context.
i'd hold onto an ipad 2 for a few months longer at least, and move up to the ipad 3 when it comes out in the spring. the hp tablet might make a good gift for clueless tech friends who only want to look at email or the web.
EDIT: as for hp making new tablets, who knows why, but they aren't making money off of it, so it probably has something to do with promoting their os. they aren't idiots. they surely have developed a new strategy to deal with the mess. obviously, a 99 tablet will sell well (i am not sure why people seem impressed by this). the question is where to go from here, and i think no one knows at this point, because it is uncharted territory.
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I hAd an interesting day yesterday. I caught one of the $99 touchpads on sale last week and it came yesterday. Or so I thought. It was my bday yesterday(8/30) and UPS came to the door with my touchpad, or so I thought. My wife actually bought me a iPad 2 white 32GB!!! I was stoked! Anyhow, the touchpad should be here today and I can't wait to compare them. I can tell you coming from an iPad 1 that the difference between the iPad 1&2 isn't huge for the most part, but, DAMN THE IPAD 2 is fast!
I hAd an interesting day yesterday. I caught one of the $99 touchpads on sale last week and it came yesterday. Or so I thought. It was my bday yesterday(8/30) and UPS came to the door with my touchpad, or so I thought. My wife actually bought me a iPad 2 white 32GB!!! I was stoked! Anyhow, the touchpad should be here today and I can't wait to compare them. I can tell you coming from an iPad 1 that the difference between the iPad 1&2 isn't huge for the most part, but, DAMN THE IPAD 2 is fast!
Congratulations on the iPad 2. I also got a TouchPad and I've been using it mostly for browsing the web at night, no more than that but I want to explore it some more next week when I have some time off.
As someone who purchased a TouchPad for $149 before returning for an iPad - I want to point out some things:
1) Even *after* the 3.0.2 - the web browser is horribly slow. I went to pre-central to see if there was a fix, there was a post basically saying "We know it's slow, but installing some of the homebrew fixes will help it out." This was unacceptable to me - during my one day of ownership I actually put down the Touchpad and grabbed my phone because I knew my phone would load it faster.
2) Camera that can only be used with Skype - WTF? Horrible, horrible idea.
3) This was the biggest for me - Reading a PDF file on the Touchpad was RIDICULOUS. It took around 15 to 30 second delay each time I turned the page. That's horrible, just ridiculous. I needed a tablet specifically to carry technical documents on, so the Touchpad had to go. Staples allowed me to exchange it to make sure that it wasn't just the Touchpad that I bought having these issues.
4) Theres a lag overall when using the OS. It takes almost 2 minutes for the OS to load from a cold start. I know, I know you can overclock and there are homebrew hacks - but when I spend my money on a new product, I expect it to work like fresh out of the box (no hacks required). I'm not afraid to hack, but if Im spending my money on a new product, I expect it to work like new.
5) The App store for WebOS is a barren wasteland. No official twitter app, its missing all kinds of stuff.
I know people are excited that they are getting a tablet for $99 and $149, but I have a feeling a lot of these people are just overlooking a lot of the issues with the Touchpad because they got it at such a low price. I can't even imagine what this thing was like before 3.0.2 - was it even usable? I think WebOS looks like an awesome operating system, but it wasn't ready for tablet implementation IMO.
1) Even *after* the 3.0.2 - the web browser is horribly slow. I went to pre-central to see if there was a fix, there was a post basically saying "We know it's slow, but installing some of the homebrew fixes will help it out." This was unacceptable to me - during my one day of ownership I actually put down the Touchpad and grabbed my phone because I knew my phone would load it faster.
2) Camera that can only be used with Skype - WTF? Horrible, horrible idea.
3) This was the biggest for me - Reading a PDF file on the Touchpad was RIDICULOUS. It took around 15 to 30 second delay each time I turned the page. That's horrible, just ridiculous. I needed a tablet specifically to carry technical documents on, so the Touchpad had to go. Staples allowed me to exchange it to make sure that it wasn't just the Touchpad that I bought having these issues.
4) Theres a lag overall when using the OS. It takes almost 2 minutes for the OS to load from a cold start. I know, I know you can overclock and there are homebrew hacks - but when I spend my money on a new product, I expect it to work like fresh out of the box (no hacks required). I'm not afraid to hack, but if Im spending my money on a new product, I expect it to work like new.
5) The App store for WebOS is a barren wasteland. No official twitter app, its missing all kinds of stuff.
I know people are excited that they are getting a tablet for $99 and $149, but I have a feeling a lot of these people are just overlooking a lot of the issues with the Touchpad because they got it at such a low price. I can't even imagine what this thing was like before 3.0.2 - was it even usable? I think WebOS looks like an awesome operating system, but it wasn't ready for tablet implementation IMO.
I just upgraded to an iPad 2, after selling my iPad 1 for $375 on Ebay. Performance wise, the iPad 2 runs a bit faster, but the camera's are terrible ( doesn't matter to me much) and the difference in app speed and browsing speed for what I use it for is very little. The only reason I upgraded is because Apple has a tendency to support a device until it is 2 models behind the latest and greatest. Then the stop support, and I would be left with an iPad that wouldn't get the latest iOS update, and maybe even 1 that would run very slow on the latest apps.
One edge the Touchpad has is that is close enough in size to the iPad1 that there are several (iPad1) case options out there for it, and most are marked down cheap. The inductive charging is great. WebOS is a nice graphic change from the typical icon array. Overclock it easily to smooth out stock sluggishness and you've got a nice performer. When the limited apps start driving owners crazy there will be an easy Android OS available for it to solve that problem. All in all I'd rate it 70% as good as an iPad. At $99 though that adds up to 350% (70 x 5) better than a $499 iPad2. No wonder they flew off the shelves, and HP is making more.
One edge the Touchpad has is that is close enough in size to the iPad1 that there are several (iPad1) case options out there for it, and most are marked down cheap. The inductive charging is great. WebOS is a nice graphic change from the typical icon array. Overclock it easily to smooth out stock sluggishness and you've got a nice performer. When the limited apps start driving owners crazy there will be an easy Android OS available for it to solve that problem. All in all I'd rate it 70% as good as an iPad. At $99 though that adds up to 350% (70 x 5) better than a $499 iPad2. No wonder they flew off the shelves, and HP is making more.
I agree, the TP is qout 70-80% of the ipad2. However, even with the 1.5 overclock with uberkernal and Guvnah, it's still a bit sluggish. Loading the HP app store takes about 10-15 seconds. Sometimes I have to hit an icon twice. Lack of customization kinda sucks. I would like to put more than 5 icons on my dock.
On the plus side the Touchstone kicks a55, Splashtop is coming to the TP, I like the keyboard cusomization, usingcards and swipe gestures vice needing o use the home button is more Apple-esque than iOS (go figure), and installing preware to jailbreakthe device is simple. Once the app store adds some more content, assuming thishappens, the TP at it's current price is a real winner. Personally, I enjoy using mine, even if it still takes a backseat to my ipad2.