They dont call home to google without 'GAPPS' being on the device, which is where Google make their cash. Only licensed partners can use 'GAPPS'. So basically any device without it installed is not counted in Google's stats as they have no way of knowing how many exist. To use an android device with GAPPS you need an Google account. Thus, they can see the number of devices with it installed.
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HP Turns WebOS Open Source, Could Offer Manufacturers Alternative to Android
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They dont call home to google without 'GAPPS' being on the device, which is where Google make their cash. Only licensed partners can use 'GAPPS'. So basically any device without it installed is not counted in Google's stats as they have no way of knowing how many exist. To use an android device with GAPPS you need an Google account. Thus, they can see the number of devices with it installed.
Actually many of the cheap, mostly underpowered, OEM tablets sold in China (or websites in China, eg dealextreme) come with Google's services installed right from factory, without actually having Google's license for them.
So those 6 million, like most numbers Google throws around, is not very meaningful. Who knows what Rubin meant by tablet.
You mean why are they not counted?
Google's Android counts come from the first time an end user registers an Android device that came with Google Services installed.
So the tablets from manufacturers who didn't license Google's apps are not normally counted. We see tablets like that all the time online in eBay, uBid, RedTag and other stores. There are many more sold in third world countries that there's no count of, either.
(People can and do install the services on their own. Or third world makers might cheat and do it from the factory. It's unknown if they actually also contain registration code.)
Heck, India recently created a $30 (actually $60, but it's going to be subsdized by the government, I think) Android tablet for its schoolkids... and it's not likely to show up in the numbers, either.
So instead of just the 6 million Android tablets (and 200 million total devices) that Google has counted from online registrations, there most likely are tens of millions more devices of all kinds that are not as easily countable.
Yes, a great many sporting 300mhz CPUs and resistive screens (like that Indian tablet your mentioned). Not sure if they can really count as tablets since they barely work as web browsers.
IMHO a far better metric are things like comScore etc which show the % of actual web browsing done by each type of device. These are real users using real devices, browsing the web.
That showed last October that "the iPad accounts for a whopping 97.2% of tablet traffic in the US and 46.8% of all mobile web traffic."
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...for-97-percent-of-all-us-tablet-traffic/15329
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This will go nowhere, but its always fun to read the excitement of the masses of believers.
lol new device with WebOS will come out and... oh wait... everybody will have so many apps by then that it won't be worth switching.
Yada yada yada yada. Same all crap.
Open Source means it is Open Source for EVERYONE
If WebOS is Open Source then Google can take the parts of it they like, so can Apple. Whatever advantage it has over the others will not last long.
If WebOS is Open Source then Google can take the parts of it they like, so can Apple. Whatever advantage it has over the others will not last long.
First of all this won't hurt android and webOS isn't going to be a competitor. Making webOS an open-sorce project will help as all the code that makes thing work on the OS will now be available to everyone. Secondly even though its open source they're isn't going to be much funding in developing it further as both android and iOS will get a new version every year or so, we may never see a new version coming out of webOs ever again. I think this is a good thing for both Apple and Google, and especially the community but I doubt any manufacturers are going to pick up an OS for their products if the OS isn't going to be developed further.
I agree about the specs on a lot of them... although they are usually okay for casual web browsing and even games like Angry Birds.
ComScore is a horrible metric for guessing sales. Using their percentages, you would think that iPads have outsold all the iPhones and iPod touchs in the world by several times over.
ComScore is okay if we just want to verify that iPad owners hit comScore websites a lot. If people are mostly using their tablets for e-readers and native games (or Flash games, like a lot of kids), then that tablet doesn't show up.
It does not work that way. Depending on the open source licencing it could prevent taking it apart and only using part of it.
HP couldn't sell it (aka market value of zero), so the community got something worthless.
At least it's more open than Android.
Minus the fact they are not open sourcing were the real money is (the patents.)
And we do not know if it will be more open than Android. None of the code has been released.
HP still has to replaced the parts of WebOS that was licensed from other companies.
It could be in the end be very locked down and require some requirements to be even used due to the patents that HP holds.
It was on the market for less than 2 months, and there wasn't a single bit of advertising for the thing. It wasn't that HP couldn't sell it, rather it was almost like they didn't even want to.
Can't say the docs agree with you. Nor these docs.
Nor do other developers.
When onPause() is called, it's only a notification to the app that the app is no longer foreground. The word "pause" is used as a shorthand for "not background." The app is not literally paused or halted in any way. The app process continues to run, so any code that was running continues to run.
This is most definitely not the same as iOS, where the app process is frozen.
An example of the difference is when your app goes into background:
*On iOS, all threads launched are frozen along with the app after applicationDidEnterBackground: is called.
*On Android, all threads launched continue to run unless you manually stopped them in onPause().
Do you know they couldn't sell it? Or they couldn't sell it, keep some rights to it, and make the money they wanted?
I don't think HP wants to drop webOS, it's solid product and they likely see places where they could use it. This way, they can keep webOS for themselves,others can use it, the community can gain access and the development progress can speed up with all the extra help of the webOS community.
Say what you want about HP/Palm's handling of webOS, but the developer community is awesome! They really want webOS to do well.
Yes, the docs agree with me.
You're confusing onPause with onStop, onPause is called when something is over the app window but not covering it totally (like a dialog box), the app is not frozen.
onStop is called when the app is not on the foreground and is totally paused.
What is this ThreatX license? I've never heard of it....I always thought HP bought Palm because HP saw that webOS was great, and wanted to major player in the mobile world(or at least some part of HP did, their CEO have bounced around a lot recently, meaning it's been hard have one strategy)
HP bought Palm to get in the mobile device business. Then, mid purchase, they changed CEOs who and Leo Apotheker wanted to take HP into the whole enterprise services only business. Leo didn't care about webOS and the mobile space.
Hence the Touchpad never really had a chance.
If you want to reduce tablets to internet browsers, yes - then that would make sense. Similarly, we can work our way backward to find out the irrelevance of tablets, all in all. Your data, coupled with the following tells us that those 97% make up, what?
Mobile devices account for 6.8% of US web traffic with two-thirds of that traffic coming from mobile phones.
97% of 1/3 of 6.8%. Whopping. Not even 2.5%, and people say the PC is dead? Jokes aside, data is data is data. There are many ways to look at things.
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i'd buy it for .99!
Apotheker will forever be the scapegoat but let's get real, the HP board hired an enterprise software guy as CEO because they wanted to be an enterprise software company. As it happened, the board **** their pants and fired the scapegoat.