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LOL. No. If it's a hot product they'll fall all over each other to buy.

Guilty of patent violations? LOL what's a patent?

If Joe Blow cared about the rightness of wrongness of patent litigation, they would have stopped buying Apple gear a looooong time ago, bud. Instead, we're seeing obscene, frenzied demand for Apple gear. In the midst of these patent battles, seemingly a new one involving Apple every week, demand for Apple gear is climbing even higher.

It's all about the product. Consumers don't moralize about tech. Especially not about tech patents.

I am not talking about patent litigation. I am talking about being found guilty of patent violations.

I know what a patent is given that I have one USPTO patent granted to me with 10 more pending. How many do you have?
 
Android was never meant to copy BB OS. At the same time as that keyboard phone, they also had prototype touchscreen phones.

I still remember reading about Android in those early days, and so many people saying that it'd just fail and there'd be no interest in it. Regardless of whether or not you actually like Android, you've gotta admit, it's done quite well for itself.

Ditto!

I completely understand why some people dont like it. Its a lot to take in if you've always been using phones and computers that are 'locked down' to specific features. When someone comes out with the linux of mobile phones, those who are unable to work it freak out. Me personally, I hate thongs and love things about both iOS and Android. A few of my personal peeves would be:

iOS
- Cant add what I want to my lock screen
- No custom styling
- Forced to use just Apples own store, with their approved apps
- Poor choice of handsets (the iOS handsets are great, but there are only ever a couple to choose from)
- Many basic tasks cant be done without jailbreaking to open it up (e.g folders were a jailbreak feature since iOS v1)

Android
- They do have fragmentation issues on the older versions.
- Manufacturers stupidly selling very underpowered handsets, resulting in peoples opinions of android being that its slow.
- Lack of a clear, set UI (fixed in Android 4 but will take a while to filter down).
- Organization of the settings areas could use a rework.
- The marketplace search function is a pain in the butt.
 
Android was never meant to copy BB OS. At the same time as that keyboard phone, they also had prototype touchscreen phones.

I still remember reading about Android in those early days, and so many people saying that it'd just fail and there'd be no interest in it.

I was guilty of saying this too. Then, red-faced, I remembered that the market was wide open for a horizontal, universal-licensing business model to push capacitive-touch based smartphones in high volume. In other words, the Microsoft of smartphones. License (in this case a free OS) to anyone and their dog, damn what happens afterward, and let OEMs race for the bottom. Boom. Instant market share.

Google just got to it before MS got their ish back together.
 
I am not talking about patent litigation. I am talking about being found guilty of patent violations.

Same ****.

Consumers' addiction to handheld devices and shiny things will override all other considerations. They'll open their wallets for whatever is the hottest product.

Even MS was able to sell Winblows after their antitrust conviction, and that whole situation was a PR nightmare.
 
Not sure that I did either. Just drew from your level of maturity that you must be someone who's not fully matured yet. If I was wrong then I apologise.

You called us all 'Morons' for not agreeing with you, then told me to 'grow up' for reporting your name calling

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Has anyone showed a picture of how Android looked BEFORE the iPhone was released?

Yes, the lad who posted the picture.
 
I was guilty of saying this too. Then, red-faced, I remembered that the market was wide open for a horizontal, universal-licensing business model to push capacitive-touch based smartphones in high volume. In other words, the Microsoft of smartphones. License (in this case a free OS) to anyone and their dog, damn what happens afterward, and let OEMs race for the bottom. Boom. Instant market share.

Google just got to it before MS got their ish back together.

Dont know about you but I'd rather see Google succeed with an mobile OS than Microsoft. I just cant stand Ballmer, he's an incompetent fool. That being said, it cant be denied that whilst their mobile marketshare may as well be non-existent, it does look like they are working hard on Windows 8, and Windows Phone 7 looks very nice (UI wise) despite it's poor uptake.

Theres no doubt that Android's goal and purpose is to be the alternative. To be the 'cheap and cheerful' in the same way that Windows has become.

Thats not to say thats a bad thing at all though! If it was just Apple and Android had never popped up, we'd have no app store (or at least not in the same way) or huge developer network as the iPhone was never intended to run non-Apple Apps.
 
You called us all 'Morons' for not agreeing with you, then told me to 'grow up' for reporting your name calling

No, I called the debate moronic. Big difference.

Yes, the lad who posted the picture.

I am 'the lad' who posted the picture, it was taken AFTER iOS was released as I stated in my post on the previous page. No known pictures of Android exist before late 2007. Read before posting.
 
I am not talking about patent litigation. I am talking about being found guilty of patent violations.

So again I ask (since you seem to be dodging the question), why has Apple being found guilty of patent/trademark violations in the past not affected their sales ?

You want to claim it will affect HTC in the market place, why hasn't it affected Apple ?

Answer that or admit you're wrong.
 
HTC has lived up to it's slogan "Quitely Brilliant"

Bravo :D

There's a good lesson for Apple here.

I do hope they heed the obvious.
 
I'm still waiting that you name any developer of iOS that has gone to Google to develop Android

Will you name anyone or is the same crap you usually write?

Apple have named two people that went to google to work on the Android project having been working on IOS.
 
It sounds like HTC was expecting to get dinged by Apple if they had a work around already in place.

Are you talking about having it in place/read to go before or after the judgement. Or do you mean before or after the filing. Because I hope you realize there was time between the filing/when HTC was alerted to when the ruling came out.
 
In the end, being found guilty of violating patents will hurt HTC tremendously. When people look for a new phone, subconsciously or consciously, they will avoid HTC.

People hear about iPhones catching fire, an issue that should be of infinitely more immediate concern to the buyer, and it doesn't seem to stop sales.

Android would have looked nothing like it did at launch if they hadn't poached two employees that had in depth knowledge of IOS.

You bring up something important: it is the people who matter much more than the companies they currently work for.

As usual, there is a rather small group of people in the industry who have invented most of what we see on various modern smartphones. Over the years, they have moved from company to company. ALL companies have benefited from this transfer of knowledge and experience.

Now that the ITC has ruled in favor of Apple can they obtain damages for past offences?

They're not a court. The key is in their name: International Trade Commission.

The main purpose and power of the ITC is to ban offending imports. That's why they're so popular a forum for disputes.

There are movements to try to take that power away, btw, or at least add better ways to appeal their decisions.

After all HTC sold many phones with the infringing software component, phones that probably won't get the fix, shouldn't Apple be entitled to something?

This is not the big deal it's made out to be.

It was not a willful offense or copying, and the ITC could see that HTC had simply come up with the same idea.

So they gave HTC almost a half year to come up with an alternative method, and in the meantime, they are allowing HTC to sell phones with the old method.
 
Good. HTC needs all the sales they can get, anyway.

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1768084

http://gearburn.com/2011/11/htc-sees-gloomy-year-for-mobe-sales/

The shine on the HTC plastic is wearing off. But then again, one Android OEM will just replace another.

Maybe Samsung can start finding dome of their own quick workarounds as well.
Well Actually most newer HTC devices (like my HTC Flyer) use Aluminum unibody like what is found in the Macbook Pro and often praised for their beautiful design and excellent build quality. Some other devices don't use a unibody and have a detachable Aluminum plate but still have great build quality. Anyways it is much better than the iPhone 4's glass which slips out of your hand easily and shatters on impact (atleast it looks nice). A smarter statement would have been that Aluminum is starting scratch and scuff. If you want to be a hater you could try getting your facts right. As for one OEM replacing another fat chance there is only one HTC and they are only with Amazing HTC Sense, Plus HTC's build quality is unmatched and many are a fan of their simplistic/minimalist design.
 
Are you talking about having it in place/read to go before or after the judgement. Or do you mean before or after the filing. Because I hope you realize there was time between the filing/when HTC was alerted to when the ruling came out.

I was thinking in place prior. It is hard to believe their legal team did not look at patents prior to development and recommend contingence be put in place in case legal action occurs. However, it was mentioned in a previous post we do not know how big of fix was required for HTC to get around the tech in question.
 
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