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HTC Delays Evo 4G LTE Launch as U.S. Customs Investigates Shipments for Breach of Apple Patent

Virtualball said:
I mostly agree, but your point is inherently lessening the accusation on Apple's part. As far as mainstream consumer electronic history is concerned, Apple did come up with modern interactions with touchscreen devices. That includes a lock screen with a slider (hell, the LG Vu had an unlock button you had to hold and it was a touchscreen phone after the iPhone), multitouch gestures, a home button, etc. Sure, many of those implementations seem logical now, but Apple was the company that did it first and made people settle in with using a device in that manner, and because of this, they own the patents on it. It's slightly unfair to equate creating modern UX and holding the patents on it to "blue tiles in the basement."

All of that aside though, I agree that this is pointless and can only hurt consumers. The HTC One X seems like a great device and exactly what HTC needs right now.
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Yes Apple has created some innovative ideas which have been copied and used by other smartphone manufacturer's.

Of course Apple also copies from android and android app designers.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/...5-updated/2295?pg=2&tag=content;siu-container

Understand this doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that better solutions occur when people are allowed to recognize a good idea and incorporate it into their system.

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gwelmarten said:
YAY - after all the times HTC has being causing trouble for Apple, Apple are getting HTC for something.
Seems like HTC have being causing Apple unnecessary trouble.
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Lol WUT?
 
Winni said:
You see, there is the problem right there: Only big companies with large legal departments and sufficient funding for them can afford those legal battles. It does not matter if you own a patent. It only matters if you have the money to start the legal battle. If you violate some small company's patent that does have the funding to defend its patent, nobody will stop you. That's the dirty game companies like Apple and Oracle play.
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The entire legal system in the US is based on who has the most money.
Since the outcome/ruling when it's not a clear case is never without a risk, people without enough money to go through an entire case will always have to settle.

It's a simple calculation:

Settle for X dollars or spend!

Cynical viewpoint , but my real life experience.
 
AP_piano295 said:
Yes Apple has created some innovative ideas which have been copied and used by other smartphone manufacturer's.

Of course Apple also copies from android and android app designers.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/...5-updated/2295?pg=2&tag=content;siu-container

Understand this doesn't bother me, I'm just pointing out that better solutions occur when people are allowed to recognize a good idea and incorporate it into their system.
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Oh, I understand what you're saying, but in this situation, Apple isn't on trial. At this point in time, the notification bar from Android isn't patented. They did take the idea, but it wasn't patented and that's an unrelated issue. The point of all of this is that, while an embargo on HTC is cruel and overkill (IMHO), there is some merit to their claims. I was just saying it was slightly larger than "blue tiles," which turned the issue into a strawman argument against Apple.
 
Virtualball said:
Fashion isn't based on the newest innovations or tens of millions of dollars poured into R&D. If Google spent 30 million dollars coming up with a great feature that has never been seen before, it would be ridiculously unfair to say Adobe could clone their work in a few days, and sell it for much less. Without patents, you would be seening much less innovation and drive to come up with new and better ways to do things.
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Did you watch the full video?
 
Virtualball said:
I mostly agree, but your point is inherently lessening the accusation on Apple's part. As far as mainstream consumer electronic history is concerned, Apple did come up with modern interactions with touchscreen devices. That includes a lock screen with a slider (hell, the LG Vu had an unlock button you had to hold and it was a touchscreen phone after the iPhone), multitouch gestures, a home button, etc. Sure, many of those implementations seem logical now, but Apple was the company that did it first and made people settle in with using a device in that manner, and because of this, they own the patents on it. It's slightly unfair to equate creating modern UX and holding the patents on it to "blue tiles in the basement."

All of that aside though, I agree that this is pointless and can only hurt consumers. The HTC One X seems like a great device and exactly what HTC needs right now.
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While I agree with your theories mentioned above...just to note that a home button and multitouch were not Apple's invention.

The iPhone made them popular sure...but multi-touch existed long before.
 
I know many, many Best Buy stores have the One X in stock, my store alone has 5 or 6 of them. Doubt we'll have them in stock for long though, since this story broke I've had several phone calls come in about that and the EVO, haha.

Disappointing customers always sucks. :(
 
angrynstupid said:
People who advocate this view obviously don't own a copyright, trademark or patent otherwise they'd immediately see the need.
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I would not jump to that conclusion. There is just a growing viewpoint that the cost is not worth the benefit. Its choking regional competition, it favors established players, there are many problems it causes on both economic and political levels.

Mickey Mouse should have been in the public domain decades ago.

Companies will still invest in R&D for the short term gain and work harder at delighting their customers and driving down costs in the long term.
 
DougB541 said:
While I agree with your theories mentioned above...just to note that a home button and multitouch were not Apple's invention.

The iPhone made them popular sure...but multi-touch existed long before.
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Oh, I hope I didn't imply that! I meant that they were the first company to actually bring it to consumer electronics in a major way. I remember touchscreens before (and shortly after (the Rumor, Vu, Storm, Voyager)) were all resistive and cheap. I know Apple didn't invent it, but they were one of the first major companies to use it. Hell, besides the LG Prada (which was announced weeks away from the iPhone 2G), Apple was the first consumer electronics company to mass produce devices with capacitive screens.


AP_piano295 said:
Did you watch the full video?
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Actually, yes. It was a really good TED talk and I was actually really surprised by how great of a speaker she was. What she was saying is all very true, but I don't think you would see the benefits translate as much into the tech world. If it were legal to sell 100% knock off iPhones, many Android manufacturer would've just done that for significantly cheaper years ago. Instead, we now have ideas like WP7's Metro UI, HTC's ring lock, the notification bar, 3D screens in cell phones, the PadFone, the Transformer, and much more. All of those ideas/products were to set them apart from the competition and to make people notice them more, whereas the video said they should be allowed to perfectly emulate another company. It's kind of the exact opposite of what the companies seem to want, I guess, and would only stifle new innovations and research. Hell, this whole "I'm better than X brand, look!" has led to ARM becoming a powerhouse! If every company could've just kept a 1 ghz processor at the time because a device that looked 100% like the Galaxy S would've sold better than a more expensive bleeding edge device, they would have.
 
hmm... not a good move, all of the companies are stealing from one another, Apple is no saint, they've infringed on other patents.

Obviously this is a "b*tch" move on Apples part stemming directly from the fear of competition.

Apple has become Microsoft and that makes me VERY VERY sad.

Originally I had little interest in the EVO 4G LTE, but after this, I plan very much to pick one up the day they're available and switch from my iPhone 4s.

Thanks Apple. :apple:
 
isoft7 said:
Originally I had little interest in the EVO 4G LTE, but after this, I plan very much to pick one up the day they're available and switch from my iPhone 4s.
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So, you will switch phones not because the EVO 4G LTE is better than the iPhone, but out of spite for Apple?
 
I know apple is no saint and they have copied some ideas from others. But the attitude on this forum as of late seems like apple should just allow people to copy the iPhone entirely.

I don't know if it's an influx of fandroids or just some other idea.

Seems like if the tables were turned and htc was playing the apple role for some there would be "justification"
 
bbeagle said:
So, you will switch phones not because the EVO 4G LTE is better than the iPhone, but out of spite for Apple?
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A phone is a phone, won't be my last purchase, to me it's a demonstration of principal.

I love my iPhone, don't get me wrong and fully expect to use it off and on after as well, but, in an attempt to increase sales of this device, yes, I will buy one. Before this story, I would not have.

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AustinIllini said:
He can switch to android instead of Apple. let him let google sell his identity for $83.00.
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You don't think Apple sells our location information and other sorts as well? :D
 
JediZenMaster said:
I know apple is no saint and they have copied some ideas from others. But the attitude on this forum as of late seems like apple should just allow people to copy the iPhone entirely.

I don't know if it's an influx of fandroids or just some other idea.

Seems like if the tables were turned and htc was playing the apple role for some there would be "justification"
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Completely agree.

I think it's an influx of fandroids.
 
Virtualball said:
Oh, I understand what you're saying, but in this situation, Apple isn't on trial. At this point in time, the notification bar from Android isn't patented. They did take the idea, but it wasn't patented and that's an unrelated issue. The point of all of this is that, while an embargo on HTC is cruel and overkill (IMHO), there is some merit to their claims. I was just saying it was slightly larger than "blue tiles," which turned the issue into a strawman argument against Apple.
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Apple didn't "take" the idea. Apple bought it from one of the jailbreak developers who conveniently works for Apple now.


https://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/03/apple-has-hired-mobilenotifier-developer-peter-hajas/
 
DougB541 said:
The converting of phone numbers and email addresses to actionable items. However this is an android wide infringment claim.
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No it's not.
The conversion in question is from within specific functions within HTC's implementation of Android. More specifically to claim 410 of the 647 patent.

See Figure 4 (410) This is what Apple claims HTC infringed on.
http://www.google.com/patents?id=aFEWAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

On a Nexus device (pure Android), you are not presented with a menu of options on actionable links (phone numbers or email addresses as described in the 647 patent. It simply dials a phone number or opens a new email. It may ask which program to use to take the action, but that is not covered in any of the claims in the 647 patent.
In other words, the default action is already predetermined.
 
Wonder what the people cheering for this news will say if the iPhone gets held up at customs following an ITC ruling against Apple :

http://www.slashgear.com/itc-finds-apple-violates-one-motorola-patent-24224485/

Apple was found to infringe a Motorola patent by the ITC on the 24th of April and a ban could be issued for iPads and iPhones.

Will VirtualBall and others claiming "you need to respect Apple's patents" do the same against Apple and for Motorola ?
 
AP_piano295 said:
The import of iPhones should be stopped at the border until this can be sorted out :rolleyes:.
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I never said Apple is infringing on it, it is not up to me to say that, I'm not a lawyer. I'm just pointing out that there is a patent. So drop the sarcasm please.
 
StrykerGT said:
I hope that while the HTC One is blocked, HTC will fix the broken multitask on the ONE series. It is just awful. Look at the happy people with the broken multitasking.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646409
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Really you don't like it. My friend got a OneX on launch day and I think its a pretty cool. Only Andriod phone I would consider dropping my iPhone for.
Multitasking setup is so much better then Apples.
Screen awesome, reminds me of natural look of Kindle.
And Car app. Awesome idea and implementation.
 
KnightWRX said:
Wonder what the people cheering for this news will say if the iPhone gets held up at customs following an ITC ruling against Apple :

http://www.slashgear.com/itc-finds-apple-violates-one-motorola-patent-24224485/

Apple was found to infringe a Motorola patent by the ITC on the 24th of April and a ban could be issued for iPads and iPhones.

Will VirtualBall and others claiming "you need to respect Apple's patents" do the same against Apple and for Motorola ?
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Nice shout out, bro. If you read what I wrote, I don't actually agree with what's going on. I think it's awful that the One X can't be imported in America and that this is largely ridiculous. All I said was that the issue isn't as simple as "HTC used the color white, so Apple is suing!" Patents are patents, people, and whether you or I like it, they prove that they have ownership of an idea/concept. Also, the Motorola patent dispute is an ENTIRELY different issue dealing with unfair practices and FRAND patents. That's a much grayer area than what I'm talking about.
 
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