Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
People talk about how this phone is not competitive, when HTC sold millions more phones than Apple. This phone is going to wipe the floor with the iPhone 2, which from the 2.0 firmware we can see will be almost exactly the same as iPhone 1, but with 3G.

When people do a side by side comparison this phone will look a lot more interesting than an iPhone. The weather app will look better, the text messaging and e-mail interface will look better, YouTube will look better, even the clock will look better. The phone itself will be more pocketable.

The iPhone is now a very common phone, and people want something different. HTC has delivered.
To date, HTC has announced that it has sold 2 million HTC Touch phones. How is that millions more than the iPhone? You can't compare sales of HTC's other cheap low-end phones that have been on the market for years with iPhone sales, when the iPhone has been available in limited countries and on limited carriers for less than 1 year.
 
First impressions - it looks a little naff. The design itself is simple and good enough but most of the features look like iPhone gimmicks. There appears to be significant lag in the interface according to the YouTube videos and it looks less practical from a UI perspective. The multi-touch bit on the iPhone is presumably patented, which is why the photo zooming, etc looks slow and awkward.

I reckon this thing will flop. I don't know how Apple has done it but, like the iPod before it, the iPhone just makes everything else look like second best. I can imagine buying this device is like getting a Creative MP3 player. Rather than marvel and gawp at your device, people just ended up saying "so how come you didn't get an iPod?" :D

Not that Apple should become complacent though. The good news is that competition will push Apple's products and make them better. We could certainly do with the higher res screen, for example.

I'll definitely be waiting for the 3G iPhone though.

HTC sold 3 million HTC Touch's, most in Europe, while Apple sold 80% of the iPhone in USA. Like Nokia, HTC will probably be much tougher worldwide competition for Apple than you think.
 
Lovely looking phone (excluding the backplate). UI looks impressive, but I'd be concerned with the lack of responsiveness; it's a problem that has plagued their other touch devices. Pity it wasn't Android instead of winmo.
 
To date, HTC has announced that it has sold 2 million HTC Touch phones. How is that millions more than the iPhone? You can't compare sales of HTC's other cheap low-end phones that have been on the market for years with iPhone sales, when the iPhone has been available in limited countries and on limited carriers for less than 1 year.

HTC today announced they sold 3 million Touch devices, and 11 million smartphones in 2007. 75% of their phones are 3G, like the AT&T Tilt. They are hardly low-end, in fact they usually cost more than the iPhone, but are worth if because they do more, such as having built-in GPS.
 
People talk about how this phone is not competitive, when HTC sold millions more phones than Apple. This phone is going to wipe the floor with the iPhone 2, which from the 2.0 firmware we can see will be almost exactly the same as iPhone 1, but with 3G.
First, HTC has been doing the phone thing for over a decade while Apple has been at it 10.5 months so I think it's a little unfair to be drawing conclusions about superiority based on phones sold. As far as what iPhone 2 is going to be, it's anybody's guess -- you really don't know anything about it. My guess is it will be even sexier than before.

That being said, the firmware is going to do amazing things for the iPhone's existing user base that I feel we won't really know until we start experiencing -- by that I mean the Apps store. An amazing thing happens when you let creative people have a shot at doing something great for a device they love: they do some awesome things and they do them by the thousands. Konfabulator and Apple's own Dashboard have shown us that people will write the neatest software with the most compelling graphics for the computer community. The WIDGETS for both Konfabulator and Dashboard number in the thousands.

To me, the iPhone's appeal to write software for it is a magnitude greater than for the computer. Over time, I believe that the iPhone will be able to do just about anything one could want or need. Up till now, no other phone has really given me that impression and I've owned a BB.

When people do a side by side comparison this phone will look a lot more interesting than an iPhone. The weather app will look better, the text messaging and e-mail interface will look better, YouTube will look better, even the clock will look better. The phone itself will be more pocketable.
That's your opinion, one that you're entitled to. Perhaps it will. Certainly the hundreds of people who bought a Zune this year knew about the Apple lineup of iPods and chose to go with the MS player. Good. Competition is good for business and for the consumer. Also, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder too. Don't forget that. I honestly like the back of the Touch Diamond. The prisms are nice. The front is a tad too iPhone to go unnoticed, but from here on out, touch phones are going to be looking a lot alike with big glass fronts. I like the higher resolutions and feel this is great. It just means higher resolutions for iPhone users in the future. How far in the future, who knows. It is known, however, that the iPhone software as it is now can playback back video that is twice is resolution which should say something about where Steve wants to go with this.

The iPhone is now a very common phone, and people want something different. HTC has delivered.
With less 10M iPhones sold, it is hardly common. I have only seen a couple in the wild besides my own. People hear a lot about it but that's not the same thing. As it becomes available in more countries and as Apple rolls out new devices and new features, all at better prices, I think you'll see that the people won't consider it common at all and will be buying them faster than you're giving Apple credit for.
 
Lovely looking phone (excluding the backplate). UI looks impressive, but I'd be concerned with the lack of responsiveness; it's a problem that has plagued their other touch devices. Pity it wasn't Android instead of winmo.

You may be mistaking a gesture-based interface for lack of responsiveness. The phone has to wait for the gesture to be completed before it responds.
 
You may be mistaking a gesture-based interface for lack of responsiveness. The phone has to wait for the gesture to be completed before it responds.

So you're saying I may be mistaking an unresponsive interface for lack of responsiveness?:D Surely that's the crux of the whole issue.
 
I rated this article as positive because this is one of the indirect fruits of the iPhone: better all around phones.

Everyone, even non iphone people, benefit from Apple taking it up a notch in the cell phone world.

I agree with a previous poster apple is ahead in some aspects and lagging in others with respect to the iPhone (which I love).
 
Come on! Where have you been for the past year. Do a forum search, I'd answer that but the information has been floating around here for years.

.

I'm interested...what did Apple promise on the iPhone? No much...the showed it, and shipped it as it was(with software fixes of course)

I've been for that time, and I recall the iPhone was everything Apple said it would be...perhaps not everything everyone wants, buts its what Apple said they were offering
 
So you're saying I may be mistaking an unresponsive interface for lack of responsiveness?:D Surely that's the crux of the whole issue.

I use mouse gestures. It speeds up my browsing. Having an incomplete gesture interpreted tends to suck.
 
HTC Phone

It only comes with 4GB and does NOT have a Micro SD expansion slot.

It runs Windows Mobile which runs sluggishly and is a dog to begin with.

Maybe if it was running Android I might be interested.

This is the iPhone Killer? I personally don't think so.
 
HTC today announced they sold 3 million Touch devices, and 11 million smartphones in 2007. 75% of their phones are 3G, like the AT&T Tilt. They are hardly low-end, in fact they usually cost more than the iPhone, but are worth if because they do more, such as having built-in GPS.
Oops, my mistake, I missed today's press conference. And I confused some other products with HTC's. Still, sales of 11 million smartphones (not all of which are as sophisticated as the Touch) in an entire calendar year could hardly be described as "millions more" that iPhone sales, considering that the iPhone was only available for 6 months in 2007, and only in the U.S., and only on 1 carrier.

Nonetheless, HTC is a significant competitor to Apple in this field, and has experienced significant sales growth in the past year. Should be very interesting to see who comes out on top at the end of this year.
 
i have a question on the navigation...looking at the video, it seems that with the pseudo-coverflow, you have to search through your music, contacts, videos, etc. one by one with the on screen up/down buttons...that could get tedious, i would think
 
i have a question on the navigation...looking at the video, it seems that with the pseudo-coverflow, you have to search through your music, contacts, videos, etc. one by one with the on screen up/down buttons...that could get tedious, i would think

Well, with 4GB of space you won't have much to browse.
 
im sick of seeing every single device on the market that has a touchscreen be referred to an iphone rip off.
you realize there were a whole lot of touch screen devices before the iphone right?

personally i find any win mo device to be trash after my experiences with my blackjack.
but i would definitely be interested in seeing an s60 device with touchscreen that will "kill" the iphone, iphone 2, and most others as well.

i would still take a non ts s60 device over an iphone anyday.
 
It all comes down to the OS. These HTC phones have little input to the experience. When this phone is released the front end for it will appear in the wild and pretty much anyone running an HTC phone will likely be able to install that front end on to their phone and get the same functionality.
The only time an iPhone killer will come is when Windows Mobile gets its act together, which it likely never because as with desktop Windows its got to be made with too many devices in mind.

This shouldn't be front page news, its only going have a mild chance at causing a stir because it looks like its pretty, i think the reviews will be average, though probably good compared to other WinMo devices.
 
I'm glad HTC is putting the phone out.

Its a great phone, that matches some features on the iPhone, beats some features of the iPhone, and lacks some features of the iPhone. But its a top notch phone. Grade A.

As is the iPhone. Both are great, and any smartphone owner would be lucky to own either device.
 
i have a question on the navigation...looking at the video, it seems that with the pseudo-coverflow, you have to search through your music, contacts, videos, etc. one by one with the on screen up/down buttons...that could get tedious, i would think

The music app seems an iphone copy.

9458605sf7.jpg


100's of photos of the interface here
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=193&p=291&g=279&h=9458
 
It all comes down to the OS. These HTC phones have little input to the experience. When this phone is released the front end for it will appear in the wild and pretty much anyone running an HTC phone will likely be able to install that front end on to their phone and get the same functionality.

Seeing how the interface required 3D acceleration thats unlikely. A version of the interface is in the wild already, and runs only at about 5 frames per second.
 
Seeing how the interface required 3D acceleration thats unlikely. A version of the interface is in the wild already, and runs only at about 5 frames per second.

Haha yeah, was just trying to make the point that this isnt something special, but quite gimmicky. Obviously newer hardware is going to produce graphics faster, but its just a small front end application built on top of Windows Mobile so theoretically if its in the wild i could go and get a recent powerful device, install the front end on it, and basically have this "new" iPhone killer in a different package.
 
Wow, what a great looking interface, I hope this does well so it will push Apple to innovate further.

I really am impressed compared to so many other win based phones I've seen.
 
I thought it looked pretty good. Then I saw that lil Windows flag in the corner and I realized the phone's major flaw. Never really liked Windows Mobile or whatever they're calling it.
 
is there

a video on youtube showing how the front video cam works on this fon? I assume it's for video calls, like skype...I would love to see it in action...the new Iphone better have a cam in the front too!!!
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.