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HTC Launches Latest iPhone Competitor

O2 announced this device in Germany

O2 Germany has announced to release this device in the middle of june.

Price will be 99€ with a 2 year standard O2 contract, but no sim-lock.
You can buy it without contract and without sim-lock for 549 €. Experience tells, this price won't last long. I think you will soon get it for 449 or something.

The price will include a GPS navigation software (TomTom 7) including a free city map. You can buy additional maps directly from TomTom (49 € Germany/Austria/Swiss or 99€ western Europe for example).

I hope Apple sees it: An outstanding device can exist without locking in customers!

Christian
 
distribution is far too slow...

mongochops said:
Hahahaha another **** ripoff of an Apple product. Why do they even bother? They always turn out ****. Why not just give up and do something worthwhile?
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I think that HTC see a market opportunity and are selling many more units than Apple - yes the iPhone is a nice piece of kit but why is it taking so long to sell it worldwide ? Maybe when we get a 3G iPhone that catches up with the rest of the world telecom markets we'll see more widespread use. There's a big world outside America...
 
Project said:
Erm, HTC sells about 10m units a year.
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...yes, we know, but Apple has been selling the iphone for less than a year.

Also, I wonder what kind of computer some of these phone-only companies would be able to design.

An objective point is that Apple has been able to do so much with the iphone when it is not a phone-only company. A material point is that these phone-only companies (all of them) could not muster enough innovation on their own, but had to be shown the way (by Apple) instead... And now, these phone-only companies claim that their products are 'innovation'. If any one person believes this, then these folks deserve to purchase and own what the believe is being innovative.
 
i.mac said:
...yes, we know, but Apple has been selling the iphone for less than a year.

Also, I wonder what kind of computer some of these phone-only companies would be able to design.

An objective point is that Apple has been able to do so much with the iphone when it is not a phone-only company. A material point is that these phone-only companies (all of them) could not muster enough innovation on their own, but had to be shown the way (by Apple) instead... And now, these phone-only companies claim that their products are 'innovation'. If any one person believes this, then these folks deserve to purchase and own what the believe is being innovative.
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That's my point... it's a bit disingenuous for the other poster to say that HTC is selling 'many more" units than Apple. The iPhone outsold the Touch fairly comfortably for instance and thats their best selling product, and was available worldwide on more carriers.
 
i.mac said:
A material point is that these phone-only companies (all of them) could not muster enough innovation on their own, but had to be shown the way (by Apple) instead... And now, these phone-only companies claim that their products are 'innovation'.
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Actually Apple copied almost all features in iPhone from other phones. It just combined them, made it prettier and marketed the hell out of it.
 
Project said:
That's my point... it's a bit disingenuous for the other poster to say that HTC is selling 'many more" units than Apple. The iPhone outsold the Touch fairly comfortably for instance and thats their best selling product, and was available worldwide on more carriers.
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Apple does not sell 10 million iPhones per year. They are hoping to sell 6 million this year, when HTC, who sold 11 million in 2007, will have done 15-17 million at least.

Maybe Apple will do better now that they have given up trying to change the industry and are conforming more. Subsidized pricing and wide availability on all carriers have always been the best way to move volume.
 
i.mac said:
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Also, I wonder what kind of computer some of these phone-only companies would be able to design.
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Maybe. But Apple does not make much use of that advantage on the iPhone. Imagine you have a MacBook and an iPhone. You have the computer from Apple, the phone from Apple and you are on Apple's favorite network.

You are on the go and want to connect to the internet. Yes, surfing may be cool on the iPhone, but the MacBook has a much bigger screen and a real keyboard. If both are available what would you use for writing a long mail etc? Just connect your MacBook to the internet using the iPhone? You can't. To do that you have to buy another (cheap!) phone and use an other contract. Works very fine with my cheap SE K610i using 3G and was very easy to setup.

Apple misses an easy and obvious integration of products. And why? Just because AT&T wants it to be like that. Just because the US provider does not want it, all devices worldwide are limited in that way. From my point of view as a customer it is ridiculous.

I hope they change this in the 3G model. A UMTS or even HSDPA phone that cannot be used to connect a computer would be very stupid.

Christian
 
I'd love to play with a new phone, for the sheer fact that I love toys. But I can't see myself ever giving up the iPhone , except for maybe version 2 ;)
 
LOL @ Videoconferencing from a phone.

LAUGH OUT LOUD.

Not only is it ridiculous, but it won't work. It works like CRAP on the Mac right now as it is, what makes anyone think its going to work over 3G?

LOL.
 
i.mac said:
Also, I wonder what kind of computer some of these phone-only companies would be able to design.
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Actually they could probably make a good one. HTC has been making micro PCs and PDAs for a long time.

Like the Shift and Advantage. http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx They make some great hardware and devices... the only downside is that they run WM6, which is great in a Windows world but not so much on the Mac side of the fence.
 
Archie- said:
Apple does not sell 10 million iPhones per year. They are hoping to sell 6 million this year, when HTC, who sold 11 million in 2007, will have done 15-17 million at least.

Maybe Apple will do better now that they have given up trying to change the industry and are conforming more. Subsidized pricing and wide availability on all carriers have always been the best way to move volume.
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6m? They are hoping to do 10m this year. And with the many more markets they are launching in H2 who is to say they can't reach 13-15m.

Most importantly, the ASP of the iPhone is significantly higher than HTC's ASP. Profit is king, not market share.
 
Project said:
6m? They are hoping to do 10m this year. And with the many more markets they are launching in H2 who is to say they can't reach 13-15m.

Most importantly, the ASP of the iPhone is significantly higher than HTC's ASP. Profit is king, not market share.
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Quite wrong. The hope to sell 10 million over 18 months. I am sure others here will verify that.

Secondly, on phones, according to this analyst at least, HTC made more profit last year than Apple, as the majority (75%) of their product are high margin 3G phones.

Nokia 56%
Samsung 13.5%
Sony Ericsson 11%
LG 5%
RIM 6%
HTC 4%
Apple 2%

Source : Strategy Analytics
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http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2008/05/01/121820.html
 
iPhone is the first instance of a platform. iTouch is the second. There will be others quite obviously.

HTC is a phone based on Windows Mobile. The iPhone platform is based on a subset of OSX, so Apple has the advantage to grow the iPhone platform into pretty much anything up to and including a tablet.

There was some speculation in EE Times that Apple had been funding, and then purchased PA Semi, with an eye towards creating the hardware for 4G. This would give Apple the ability to innovate the hardware on their platform, tuned to OSX, and an advantage over most smart phone makers.

Apple has the advantage over all other phone makers in that it controls the platform, the operating system, media and application distribution and substantial applications from consumer to pro.

With HTC, you get a substantial phone, and lots of cutting edge features. With iPhone, at least currently, you lose out on some of the same features, but you gain entry into a robust and ubiquitous communication, media and computing platform.

HTC might be making a great phone, but iPhone killer? Not so much.
 
Archie- said:
Quite wrong. The hope to sell 10 million over 18 months. I am sure others here will verify that.

Secondly, on phones, according to this analyst at least, HTC made more profit last year than Apple, as the majority (75%) of their product are high margin 3G phones.


http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2008/05/01/121820.html
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Give it up.

Your link shows that Apple made half the profits in half the time with a new product and less sales volume than HTC. What do you think will happen this year and next year with Apple pushing 3G starting next month?

Just the fact that Apple sells iPhones through both its retail and online stores, gets a piece of every iPhone/iTouch application sale, and a piece of the contract ought to be a clue with regard to which company has the financial advantage.

You would be hard pressed to make an argument that Apple has less technical expertise, although I will grant you that HTC has much more telecom experience.
 
Archie- said:
Quite wrong. The hope to sell 10 million over 18 months. I am sure others here will verify that.

Secondly, on phones, according to this analyst at least, HTC made more profit last year than Apple, as the majority (75%) of their product are high margin 3G phones.


http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2008/05/01/121820.html
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You will find that you are wrong here. It's 10m in calendar year 2008. Apple have reiterated this on so many occasions now that I have no idea why it is still being wrongly stated.

And your table proves absolutely nothing as it shows share of profits in 2007, of which Apple was only selling phones for 6 months during that period, and in only one market, the US for 5 of those 6 months.
 
Sorry,you are wrong.

RBC Expects Apple iPhone To Reach 10 Million Target
by: FP Trading Desk posted on: June 28, 2007 |

Despite a high initial price, limited distribution and expectations for some glitches at the beginning, Apple Inc.’s (AAPL) much-anticipated iPhone will be a success, predicts RBC Capital Markets. In fact, analyst Mike Abramsky thinks the iPhone will achieve Apple’s 10 million unit 18-month sales goal and will have a 3% share of the global phone market by 2010. This would contribute an estimated US$90-million to fiscal 2007 revenue and US$1.3-billion to 2008.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/39580-rbc-expects-apple-iphone-to-reach-10-million-target

If Apple hopes to sell 10 million in 2008, selling only 1.7 million in Q1 would be rather disastrous, would it not. Thats half the rate needed.

I did not say HTC has more expertise,or makes more per phone, but that HTC is not hurting for profit. They do not make bargain basement phones, despite what some people here may think.
 
TMay said:
With HTC, you get a substantial phone, and lots of cutting edge features. With iPhone, at least currently, you lose out on some of the same features, but you gain entry into a robust and ubiquitous communication, media and computing platform.
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Nothing against you TMay, just using your quote as an example to others.

This last part of the statement is pretty much vaporware. There is potential, you are right, and I know Apple may take advantage of it, but it's not here yet, and it hasn't announced anything about it.

So, the statement should read: With HTC, you get a substantial phone, and lots of cutting edge features. With iPhone you lose out on some of the features, but you gain a much more stable operating system and fully touch interface.

Archie- said:
Sorry,you are wrong.

If Apple hopes to sell 10 million in 2008, selling only 1.7 million in Q1 would be rather disastrous, would it not. Thats half the rate needed.

I did not say HTC has more expertise,or makes more per phone, but that HTC is not hurting for profit. They do not make bargain basement phones, despite what some people here may think.
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Sometimes is just doesn't work Archie. In a few more posts they will start telling you that your tone is foul and start insulting you for doubting Apple's superiority.

Fact is the iPhone is doing very well, but it's not going the way Apple wanted it to in the "other" countries. As if those that didn't fall into the trap didn't already speculate. Nokia and HTC have the technology and the features that make phones true mobile devices. The iPhone is the best phone you can get, but it's not a smart phone when looked at by the toughest critics.

And there is still the question of whether Apple will tie it to a faster network, which so far is the biggest thing holding the iPhone back.
 
Archie- said:
Sorry,you are wrong.

If Apple hopes to sell 10 million in 2008, selling only 1.7 million in Q1 would be rather disastrous, would it not. Thats half the rate needed.

I did not say HTC has more expertise,or makes more per phone, but that HTC is not hurting for profit. They do not make bargain basement phones, despite what some people here may think.
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You are showing an acute lack of business acumen.

Some potential factors as to why you can not use 1.7m * 4 to get a yearly figure.

  • Q1 is traditionally the slowest as it is post Xmas
  • In turn, they will have the back to school quarter and Xmas quarter still to come. Last year, sales doubled in the Xmas quarter
  • They have a new phone coming out that is 3G - something which a lot of people have been holding out for
  • Version 2 will have full Exchange support, something which people and businesses have been holding out for
  • In June, the SDK launches which will plug many of the software gaps which people have been holding out for
  • Vodafone just announced a distribution deal to take the iPhone to 10 more markets, with a total population 4x that of the US. By June the iPhone should be in markets totalling around 2bn in population = up from the 500m currently who have access to it directly.
  • If v2 is compelling enough, people who already have an iPhone may upgrade. If it comes with HSDPA, I will be one of them

Apple has been selling roughly 20,000 units in this traditionally slow quarter. They need 26,000 units per day on average to break 10m in 2008. Given all of the above, you can see why they are very confident of making that figure.
 
Project said:
You are showing an acute lack of business acumen.
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Well, to be fair, so are you, mainly because you're not taking account of any potential ceiling in the market amongst other factors. That said, Apple will be quite capable of shifiting 10 million units. It's more a case of if they make sufficient revenue doing so once any incentives are taken into account.
 
Project said:
You are showing an acute lack of business acumen.

Some potential factors as to why you can not use 1.7m * 4 to get a yearly figure.


Apple has been selling roughly 20,000 units in this traditionally slow quarter. They need 26,000 units per day on average to break 10m in 2008. Given all of the above, you can see why they are very confident of making that figure.
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Yes, but you are still wrong about the target. You are speculating on future sales and I am telling you what Apple said they hope to sell.
 
Originality

Ok, so can we come out with something ORIGINAL now people? I guess Apple should feel good that everyone is out to emulate them. Nothing's changed since 1984. Just visualizing these corporate bosses buying the iPhone and showing it to their own developers saying something like "hey, check out what Apple made, I bet we can do this!" or perhaps "why haven't you come up with something like this you imbecile!!! Hoohwohwaahahahaha! [evil laugh]".
 
BongoBanger said:
Well, to be fair, so are you, mainly because you're not taking account of any potential ceiling in the market amongst other factors. That said, Apple will be quite capable of shifiting 10 million units. It's more a case of if they make sufficient revenue doing so once any incentives are taken into account.
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Erm, that's a gross exaggeration.

I said that in the grand scheme of things, with all the developments in June and the hugely increased distribution, multiplying 1.7m * 4 is naive as a means of coming up with a figure for 2008.

Sure there are many other factors which can limit the effect of the positives, but just because I did not mention them doesn't mean they were not considered. My post was a justification for saying you can't rely on 1.7m as a benchmark for 2008 sales.


Yes, but you are still wrong about the target. You are speculating on future sales and I am telling you what Apple said they hope to sell.
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Please go back and listen to the last three earnings calls where Apple stated they hope to sell 10m units in 2008.
 
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