Huawei Delays Launch of Foldable Smartphone, Being More 'Cautious' After Samsung's Galaxy Fold Issues

[I7guy]

....Curious why you preferred to choose the market from 2007 vice even 2016-2017. Considering the AppStore and majority of the rest did not come online until much later.

What is the whole picture? Unless one is a board member for these companies we only know what is being announced.

To me any picture more than tunnel vision picture is almost as good as the while picture. But you can deduce a lot about the company with available information.

If some do not feel comfortable in their investment strategy or capability, it is probably advisable to follow the Buffet strategy. No harm in that just preference.

Follow your own policies. But if you feel a high flying company is going under: short like hell and pray you win.

 

[chucker23n1]

Not sure what people gain by making fun of competitors misfortune, and excuse those of the team their support. Just seems tribal to me.

I’m doing no such thing. Delivering good and successful products is hard, and Apple has consistently been doing a reasonable job on that front. LG, in the phone market, has had problems.

AirPower is so scandalous precisely because it’s such an outlier in Apple’s track record.

 

[Abazigal]

Not sure what people gain by making fun of competitors misfortune, and excuse those of the team their support. Just seems tribal to me.

Samsung announces the galaxy fold.

Macrumours - Apple is doomed!

Samsung cancels the galaxy fold.

Macrumours - Let’s not get tribal here.

One slight bug in Apple’s software (like what happened last year) can result in hundreds of posts calling for Tim Cook’s head. Samsung cancels an entire product line, and they get praised for “at least daring to innovate”.

To me, it’s about pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards displayed by the critics and the haters. They so want to put samsung on the same pedestal as Apple, yet refuse to subject samsung to the same level of scrutiny that you would accord a leader like Apple.

 

[code-m]

Samsung announces the galaxy fold.

Macrumours - Apple is doomed!

Samsung cancels the galaxy fold.

Macrumours - Let’s not get tribal here.

One slight bug in Apple’s software (like what happened last year) can result in hundreds of posts calling for Tim Cook’s head. Samsung cancels an entire product line, and they get praised for “at least daring to innovate”.

To me, it’s about pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards displayed by the critics and the haters. They so want to put samsung on the same pedestal as Apple, yet refuse to subject samsung to the same level of scrutiny that you would accord a leader like Apple.

To me the statement, "Apple is doomed!" is hyperbole, as humour, I get it. However overused such as "Steve would never allow this, or he is rolling in his grave" quite disrespectful may one likes the man or not.

I believe the sentiment is that competitors are pushing the mobile device envelope so to speak, where a phone and tablet have physically converged, why Apple is still selling two product lines that are way overpriced and nothing really of innovation to speak about. Is FaceID innovative, sure however its odd that on iPhone it is limited to a single orientation and on iPad Pro to any orientation which TouchID worked in any orientation. So the argument that one hold their phone to view it in a particular orientation is moot.

Galaxy Fold was just released to reviewers with pre-orders, no consumer got burned due to the release being postponed. There is a difference compared to Apple releasing software and effecting many active users. If you ordered Galaxy Fold and it was damage and Samsung refused to repair or replace it then yes I can see your argument. Software on the other hand should be well tested for basic bugs, if software is released and you install it and it corrupts or deletes you data may you have a back-up or not would be frustrating. I get it software will have bugs, however somethings are just a fundamental thing like the example I provided with data.

Last I heard Samsung did not cancel the release or the line, it postponed it to investigate the situation, which to me is wise for any company to do. What strikes me as odd is that Apple releases the butterfly mechanism keyboard and it still has problems after 3.5 generations. To me that seems like Apple just does not want to admit to their faulty design by redesigning it, instead we get a warranty in the event it causes a problem.

 

[code-m]

I’m doing no such thing. Delivering good and successful products is hard, and Apple has consistently been doing a reasonable job on that front. LG, in the phone market, has had problems.

AirPower is so scandalous precisely because it’s such an outlier in Apple’s track record.

What I am saying was that were you a customer who paid for the Galaxy Fold, it then had problems and Samsung refused to repair or replace the device. Postponing release is not the same as cancelling it.

AirPower was postponed, people gave Apple a chance, then they cancelled it. I would not necessarily call it scandalous, it was just a recent history example, I am not making fun of Apple being unable to deliver a product after months of delays.

I could also bring up the G4 Cube, however I have noted that all companies experience hardware problems. Why does this have to be a situation of competitors fail and Apple wins, when Apple depends on these manufacturers to produce components used in their own devices for example OLED, Qi, etc.

Do people honestly believe that Apple management is celebrating that Galaxy Fold's release is postponed? I am sure they are monitoring the competition as per usual, and looking at ways to compete. Businesses only care about making money, how they market that strategy is another matter. People like to think that Apple is their friend or the good guy, however which friend would lower the price of iPhone XR in China and not in other markets. You as a "friend" is subsidizing the Chinese market with a price cut or adding to Apple's profit margin percentage.

 

[chucker23n1]

What I am saying was that were you a customer who paid for the Galaxy Fold, it then had problems and Samsung refused to repair or replace the device. Postponing release is not the same as cancelling it.

It isn’t, but it’s a sign they made a mistake. And maybe that mistake was the hubris to think they could ship a reliable mass-market foldable phone at all.

I could also bring up the G4 Cube,

You could, but you’d be going back almost two decades.

The point is that Apple tends to employ a higher bar on whether to announce a product at all. They’d rather not announce any foldable phone than one that’s likely to be a lemon.

You’ll find plenty of counter examples to that, but it is the general perception.

when Apple depends on these manufacturers to produce components used in their own devices for example OLED, Qi, etc.

Those manufacturers make money hand over fist from Apple contracting them. They’re not the victim.

Do people honestly believe that Apple management is celebrating that Galaxy Fold's release is postponed?

No, but they might feel vindicated. They chose, correctly, not to ship such a product just yet.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It isn’t, but it’s a sign they made a mistake. And maybe that mistake was the hubris to think they could ship a reliable mass-market foldable phone at all.



You could, but you’d be going back almost two decades.

The point is that Apple tends to employ a higher bar on whether to announce a product at all. They’d rather not announce any foldable phone than one that’s likely to be a lemon.

You’ll find plenty of counter examples to that, but it is the general perception.



Those manufacturers make money hand over fist from Apple contracting them. They’re not the victim.




No, but they might feel vindicated. They chose, correctly, not to ship such a product just yet.

I don’t think Samsung thought it was a mass market product. They were only making a million units.