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Nothing wrong with exercising a little caution! Maybe make 500, give half to the engineers kids to use and then test the others in real world situations, then make a decision.
 
Last month, the Trump administration added Huawei to a trade blacklist over alleged national security concerns, effectively forbidding U.S. companies from doing business with the Chinese smartphone and telecom giant, but a Huawei executive said that supply chain issues are not behind the delay.

Are these two thoughts related?
 
Please. His comment is 100% accurate.

Android vendors (and even Google themselves) are notorious for throwing crap at the wall to see what sticks. All so they can claim to be "first" at something.

Look at the Motorola Atrix fingerprint sensor as an example. Complete garbage with a failure rate so high that if you owned one of these devices for any length of time there was almost a 100% chance it would fail. Then Apple released TouchID which worked great from day one. Even Samsung's version the following year was garbage until they finally caught up 2 years later by which time Apple was already using a second generation system.

And when Apple is first with something they all act like it's nothing important or not needed. I remember people claiming 64bit mobile processors aren't required when Apple surprised the entire industry with the A7. Comments like "you need over 4GB of RAM to take advantage of 64bit" (when they clearly don;t understand the difference between 64 bit addressing and a 64bit instruction set) or "there's no Apps to take advantage of it" when developers released powerful versions of their software within days of it coming out to use that 64bit processor. Meanwhile they all scrambled behind the scenes to bring their own to market and now 64bit is standard (though 5 years later they STILL aren't anywhere near Apple for processors).

Sorry to break it to you, but the smartphone industry revolves around Apple and the iPhone.

Phablets -- "no one's going to buy that" large
Stylus -- "over my dead body," "nobody wants a stylus"
OLED -- "they are awful"

There are also trends in the mobile industry that are quite important and useful. Apple was late and still haven't been able to keep up: speed charging, wireless charging.

Yep, it all about Apple if that's all you are using.
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Well, it brought Samsung and Huawei about a week of good press. I remember this forum the day the galaxy fold was announced. It felt like the servers would melt from all the criticism being levelled at Apple for no longer innovating, especially since it came soon after the cancellation of AirPower.

I hope it was worth it for Samsung. How the tables have turned.

There is only one thing worse than being talked about, that is not being talked about. I'm pretty sure it was, even if it didn't turn the way they had hoped.
 
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Phablets -- "no one's going to buy that" large
Stylus -- "over my dead body," "nobody wants a stylus"
OLED -- "they are awful"

There are also trends in the mobile industry that are quite important and useful. Apple was late and still haven't been able to keep up: speed charging, wireless charging.

Nothing like taking quotes out of context. Par for the course.
 
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Your comment sounds like elitist, where only Apple is innovating. Most of the tech incorporated into Apple’s hardware is from 3rd party innovation, including gasp OLED and Qi :rolleyes:

Are you afraid that a Far-East Asian company or companies can innovate and Apple requires them to manufacture the “affordable” hardware for your consumption. Apple requires China and India more so than those companies people need Apple, just look at the hardware numbers and usage of iOS to a Android in China and India who have the worlds largest population or even South America. Why such a smug attitude? :rolleyes:
Dunno where you're getting any sense of smugness from, but I never underestimate internet strangers' capacities for inferring the wildest things about short atonal posts.

You, on the other hand, have posted numerous times, specifically adding eye-rolling emojis. Good thing irony isn't lethal, eh? ;)

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Your comment sounds like elitist, where only Apple is innovating. Most of the tech incorporated into Apple’s hardware is from 3rd party innovation, including gasp OLED and Qi :rolleyes:
Ironically, the exact sentiment is applied to android.

..., just look at the hardware numbers and usage of iOS to a Android in China and India who have the worlds largest population or even South America. Why such a smug attitude? :rolleyes:
There’s market share and then there is profits.
 
Ironically, the exact sentiment is applied to android.


There’s market share and then there is profits.

Not quite, just by looking at marketshare there are more vocalized iPhone users than Android.

Without a healthy base, how long do you expect profits to be sustained. It’s not like people are upgrading their phones in mass every year to sustain that annualized profit.
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Dunno where you're getting any sense of smugness from, but I never underestimate internet strangers' capacities for inferring the wildest things about short atonal posts.

You, on the other hand, have posted numerous times, specifically adding eye-rolling emojis. Good thing irony isn't lethal, eh? ;)

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Question is why do you believe Far-Asian and Asian countries are unable to do anything correctly. It does sounds like a sense of superiority complex tbh. If they chose to delay the release of a product after announcement just means they are taking precautions. In recent history Apple announced AirPower and never delivered, that would qualify it as vapourware plus no prototypes to boot.

Not to forget iPhone 4 antenna issues and offering free bumpers to fix the problem.

As mentioned no company is perfect, at least the companies mentioned are looking to address the problem, Apple does this too after litigation. Your comment just came across as smug, you don’t like the product that is fine it is not for you, the question is how did you get harmed by this announcement, did you pre-order?
 
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Not quite, just by looking at marketshare there are more vocalized iPhone users than Android.
To me it seems the other way around. But on, not sure how that dovetails into the original point.

Without a healthy base, how long do you expect profits to be sustained. It’s not like people are upgrading their phones in mass every year to sustain that annualized profit.
On the other hand android is fighting tooth and nail for the same customer. How are android profits of the respective smartphone divisions of the various companies. With a healthy base?

How is 51b a quarter a bad number with wearables and services growing?

But if you believe Apple is goi g downhill, have you shorted the stock. Putting your mouth where your money is a great way to wear your heart on your sleeve.
 
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I stil don’t get who this is for other than bored tech writers at The Verge. Are there that many people who need a tablet that can fold into the size of a phone?

At the end of the day, these will only be bought by enthusiasts for now (which is why the price tag is… fine — Huawei and Samsung were never going to make up the investment in volume, so they're going for price instead).

But in theory? Sure, if I could take my iPhone with me and occasionally unfold it to reveal a much bigger screen, I'd totally want that. It's just that, for now, that feels exactly as sci-fi as the iPad would've in 1995. We're easily a decade away from this being practical.
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Your comment sounds like elitist, where only Apple is innovating. Most of the tech incorporated into Apple’s hardware is from 3rd party innovation, including gasp OLED and Qi :rolleyes:

Technically is about more than a buzzword hardware spec.
 
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Too bad! Was quite curious to see how it works. Hopefully, we will see it soon with Huawei's own OS.
Don't think its a bad thing for them not to have Andriod anymore, since that's the biggest reason I never considered a Huawei phone.
 
So they were planning to go to market and now are holding off only after Samsung failed to profit. We’re they originally intending to bring a flawed folder to market to compete?
 
So they can resolve the fundamental problems with this tech in a couple of months? Laughable. I stil don’t get who this is for other than bored tech writers at The Verge. Are there that many people who need a tablet that can fold into the size of a phone?

i would prefer my phablet fold into the size of an old flip phone! The Razr concept would be amazing!
 
Well if you're loaded (like $5000 in a couch somewhere) you can already buy the "unreleased" Mate X.

Also they do have good reputation for being a reliable hardware supplier, well unless you like to believe in unsubstantiated claims by our own president.
 
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Stylus -- "over my dead body," "nobody wants a stylus"

That's still true. Phones that use a stylus aren't as popular as ones without. A stylus with non-resistive touch screens is and always will be a bad idea.

The Apple Pencil and similar tools are not a stylus.

OLED -- "they are awful"

They were. OLED had serious reliability and quality issues to overcome, Especially for devices expected to display a uniform UI.

A modern OLED panel is very different to the early ones showing up, They still have some issues that make other panel tech more useful depending on application and it's looking likely different tech will overcome these issues before OLED.
 
I remember months ago when I was saying these looked like crap and the quality and technology wasn’t there yet and I was getting told I was an Apple “fanboy”. Sure is looking like I and those who shared that view were right.
Yeah, but the thing is the people who said that to you have all moved on and forgotten about how wrong they were. That's why so many of these tech predictions are just BS. They're ways for people to act smart and forward thinking, and when they're wrong they don't have to defend it.
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The one they've got for making half-decent phones at low prices?

OK, there's the whole security thing which is an issue - if the Chinese Communist Party want to snoop on my personal data they should ruddy well pay to get it from Google, Facebook or Equifax like everybody else!



It will be forked. Android itself is open-source anyhow, its the Google 'services*' bundled with 'official' Android that Google controls, and most big phone makers have been pushing their own versions of those anyhow. Even after the US government manages to wring some token concessions out of China on trade and this whole 'Huawei is a clear and present danger' thing suddenly evaporates, Chinese companies are going to think twice before becoming dependent on US software again.

* Service (n) - opportunity to collect user data for advertising and/or global domination purpose by offering free email/maps/chat etc.



Translation: We know it's a dumb idea. We know that there's a big difference between a screen that can be folded and a screen that can take being folded and unfolded dozens of times a day for 2-3 years... but Samsung decided to rush to market and we had to announce something to save face - now Samsung have fouled up the whole idea is discredited and can be safely kicked into the long grass.

Of course, Apple started it with the 'notch'. Or "We want to make an iPhone with a bezel-less screen covering the whole front, but that needs through-screen cameras and fingerprint sensors which aren't ready yet, and the 10th Anniversary is coming up so let's make it anyway even if it means putting a great ugly notch that defeats the purpose of having a larger screen..."
LOL, it's funny to read how the Android fanboys just don't understand how wonderful Face ID is or for that matter what the point of reducing the bezels are. The main point of reducing the bezels is to allow one to have a larger screen in a smaller footprint. The rest of it is just marketing, and outside of some Android fanboys I don't see where people are really that interested in shrinking the bezels.

I have no idea what your point about fingerprint sensors not being ready yet. Are you referring to the junk in screen sensors or something?
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Android does not have to copy or implement FaceID, that is Apple’s solution for removing TouchID. Android is steering towards under-display fingerprint scanning.

Just because Apple choose Face authentication does not mean others have to do the same.

If another company incorporated Iris Authentication that does not mean FaceID is lame, it is how a company prefers to incorporate various biometric options.

Android has tried their version of Face ID, but they've never really been able to get it work. Anyone or virtually anyone who's ever tried Face ID versus touch ID realizes how much better it is, it's really like you don't have a password on your phone anymore, and you don't appreciate how much more effort using a fingerprint sensor is until you get to use something like Face ID. (I hate Touch ID so much I use my password as often or more often than Touch ID on my iPad now.)

This is something where Apple clearly has a better, more innovative tech than Android, but Android fanboys won't admit it. If the tables were reversed, Android fanboys would be bashing Apple for sticking with an outmoded, clearly inferior backward looking tech but because it's Android without Face ID they have to act like it's a virtue.
 
It's funny when you think about it.

If the product was anywhere near as problematic as the galaxy fold, just a little time spent with it would have revealed its issues for the world to see. It took a couple of youtubers a day to break the fold's display. What more a consumer with higher expectations because he spent a fortune on it?

Either way, Huawei has bigger problems on their plate now than not being able to release a folding phone.

Yeah, and to think Huawei then says "We don't want to suffer the same fate"... were they being just as sloppy? Seems so!
 
Yeah, and to think Huawei then says "We don't want to suffer the same fate"... were they being just as sloppy? Seems so!
Yeah, it’s interesting that they lost confidence in their own offering based on the poor product design of a different company.

What has one got to do with the other? Unless, as you surmise, their product is also flawed. But it seems like they were ready to launch it—at $2,800 no less.
 
The technology is not cheap, with Huawei's Mate X expected to start at $2,600 in the United States, and clearly is not without its issues either as evidenced by Huawei's and Samsung's struggles.

I don't care technologically advanced a foldable phone/tablet might be, but while it's still in its infancy, that sort of technology is far too a high price point.
 
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Yeah, it’s interesting that they lost confidence in their own offering based on the poor product design of a different company.

What has one got to do with the other? Unless, as you surmise, their product is also flawed. But it seems like they were ready to launch it—at $2,800 no less.

Easy explanation. Huawei’s foldable device, while having flaws, could still have been a better device than the Galaxy Fold. So when the inevitable head-to-head reviews come out they can claim victory by having the better foldable even with its flaws.

If the Fold isn’t released then the Huawei device is judged on its own, and those flaws are highlighted instead of being tempered by comparison the the Fold.
 
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Are there that many people who need a tablet that can fold into the size of a phone?

I'm also surprised they chose this form factor to debut their folding phones. I would think there'd be more of a market for a standard or large (~6") smartphone that folded in half. The latter would give a folded form factor of about 3" x 3" x 0.6" (smaller than a man's wallet), which I think many would find easier to carry than the 6" x 3" x 0.3" standard form factor for such a phone. Though maybe they found it technically difficult to make this smaller folding version.
 
Phablets -- "no one's going to buy that" large
Stylus -- "over my dead body," "nobody wants a stylus"
OLED -- "they are awful"

There are also trends in the mobile industry that are quite important and useful. Apple was late and still haven't been able to keep up: speed charging, wireless charging.

Yep, it all about Apple if that's all you are using.
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There is only one thing worse than being talked about, that is not being talked about. I'm pretty sure it was, even if it didn't turn the way they had hoped.
The early phablets weren't very good and had problems. I guess people like to bring up phablets a lot because it is an area where Apple got it wrong though of course it was Jobs who really didn't like phones that big (ironic because Android fanboys keep talking about how Apple's lost its way since Jobs died).
As for a stylus, who really uses a stylus on a phone other than the Note phones, and they are hardly industry leading in terms of sales. It's true you have the Apple pencil, but that's far more than just a stylus, and they're great for tablets which Android's never really figured out.
As for OLED screens, the early ones had all kinds of technical problems and the supply was very constrained. I would also argue their benefits are vastly overrated. I used to own a X, but I wound up switching to an XR because the screen differences were non-existent to me other than a couple of situations, and even with those exceptions the benefits are pretty negligible.
As for speed charging and wireless charging, once again, both are really overrated. There are maybe 5 times a year if that I would really like speed charging. Most of the time I just charge my phone at night, my phone lasts all day, and then I charge it again overnight (and of course I have an iPad charger which charges my phone more than quickly enough for me). As for wireless charging, I almost never use it, and I almost never hear any of my Android friends mention it. Wireless charging was a feature Android people liked to brag about when Apple didn't have it but which they largely don't talk about anymore once Apple got it.

Meanwhile, there are at least 3 areas where Apple has a clear, obvious advantage over Android.

1. Privacy
2. Chips. Apple's chips are way better than anything on the Android side.
3. Face ID is substantially better than fingerprint sensors. The only people who don't get that haven't used it.

Do you really believe the line about the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about? Does that mean your comment is great for Apple? Do you think that whenever some problem emerges for Apple that this is great for Apple because it means people are talking about them?
 
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