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lavrishevo

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I'm not necessarily concerned about the data collection (well I am, but I don't think that's what makes Huawei sketchy, at least more sketchy than Facebook/Google). If you do reading up on Huawei, on who their founder used to be, and also put that together with how China massively spies on it's citizens, how it imprisons them and uses that data to demand loyalty, heck they will publicly shame them for debt, and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg. You have ENTIRE governments officially blacklisting them, not just the US. The CFO was just arrested for possibly covering up violating Iran sanctions. Their issues go far beyond just data collection for advertising revenue IMO.
What's hilarious is when their CFO was arrested in Canada she had an iPhone, MacBook Pro, and and iPad in her possession... Lol
 

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I'm not necessarily concerned about the data collection (well I am, but I don't think that's what makes Huawei sketchy, at least more sketchy than Facebook/Google). If you do reading up on Huawei, on who their founder used to be, and also put that together with how China massively spies on it's citizens, how it imprisons them and uses that data to demand loyalty, heck they will publicly shame them for debt, and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg. You have ENTIRE governments officially blacklisting them, not just the US. The CFO was just arrested for possibly covering up violating Iran sanctions. Their issues go far beyond just data collection for advertising revenue IMO.
Couldn't have expressed my own personal reservations with Huawei any better myself.
 

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I'm not necessarily concerned about the data collection (well I am, but I don't think that's what makes Huawei sketchy, at least more sketchy than Facebook/Google). If you do reading up on Huawei, on who their founder used to be, and also put that together with how China massively spies on it's citizens, how it imprisons them and uses that data to demand loyalty, heck they will publicly shame them for debt, and I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg. You have ENTIRE governments officially blacklisting them, not just the US. The CFO was just arrested for possibly covering up violating Iran sanctions. Their issues go far beyond just data collection for advertising revenue IMO.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-26/trump-campaign-to-restrict-huawei-runs-into-global-opposition?utm_content=btechnology&utm_medium=social&cmpid=socialflow-facebook-btechnology&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic
 

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Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The article focuses on the 40% GDP of the world who won't ban Huawei, but wrongly labels this as some kind of victory, but look at many of the countries that aren't banning them and ask yourself what kinds of countries they are, what types of government they have and how they treat their people. Not all of them, but some of them do stick out like sore thumbs. Additionally you are still talking about the other 32% GDP which have banned them and another roughly 12% GDP considering a ban. That's huge, I mean really huge. What other tech company in the entire world has been banned by nearly half of the GDP of the world's industrialized governments?
 
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Yep, that's exactly what I'm talking about. The article focuses on the 40% of the world who won't ban Huawei, but wrongly labels this as some kind of victory, but look at many of the countries that aren't banning them and ask yourself what kinds of countries they are, what types of government they have and how they treat their people. Not all of them, but some of them do stick out like sore thumbs. Additionally you are still talking about the other 32% which have banned them and another roughly 12% considering a ban. That's huge, I mean really huge. What other tech company in the entire world has been banned by nearly half of the world's industrialized governments?
What other tech company outside of the USA has had the sort of meteoric rise in advancement and market share as Huawei in recent times?

I'm not worried.

In a few years time I'll be interested to see where perceptions are sitting after all this is over.

Not so long ago the US government was on a smear campaign against Russia, trying to turn the same countries against them, now it's China, wonder what will be next...
 

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What other tech company outside of the USA has had the sort of meteoric rise in advancement and market share as Huawei in recent times?

I'm not worried.

In a few years time I'll be interested to see where perceptions are sitting after all this is over.

Not so long ago the US government was on a smear campaign against Russia, trying to turn the same countries against them, now it's China, wonder what will be next...
But to be honest....they have documented proof the Russian Gov was trying to hack and influence the American election process.
 

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But to be honest....they have documented proof the Russian Gov was trying to hack and influence the American election process.
We also have documented proof of US spying, yet here we are using phones with US built OSs.

I'm just saying, there's a lot of hypocrisy going around.

None of this will stop me from getting the best device I can get. Let the politicians spew their nonsense.
 
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I agree..with all the stuff that came out from Snowden..... I know the NSA has the ability to tap into any phone or electronic communication device they want to.
I have no doubt about it. I know there is no anonymity in the digitally connected world we live in.
But I choose to be selective on who i leak my data too o_O

Then if you are concerned about US spying...don't buy US products. Speak with your buying choices.
That's what I choose to do with Huawei....
 

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Comparing the NSA and US interest in data collection to China and their communism / extreme censorship is ridiculous. Although this discussion is taking a rather political tone it is important to recognize the differences. One government aims at protecting its interest and citizens, protecting freedom of speach and democracy while others aim at censorship, control, denying freedom of speach and press. If one can't see the difference it is a sad state of affairs. The more you travel the world and see what life is like in other countries the more one can appreciate how good it is here in the U.S.
 

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I agree..with all the stuff that came out from Snowden..... I know the NSA has the ability to tap into any phone or electronic communication device they want to.
I have no doubt about it. I know there is no anonymity in the digitally connected world we live in.
But I choose to be selective on who i leak my data too o_O

Then if you are concerned about US spying...don't buy US products. Speak with your buying choices.
That's what I choose to do with Huawei....
You are not getting what I am saying.

I could not careless about who is spying, I just see a whole lot of hypocrisy going on.

Both sides will claim they are doing it for safety of their citizens, (insert other BS reasons here).

I accepted long ago that my data is not private, hence I happily will use US, Chinese etc... Products.



Comparing the NSA and US interest in data collection to China and their communism / extreme censorship is ridiculous. Although this discussion is taking a rather political tone it is important to recognize the differences. One government aims at protecting its interest and citizens, protecting freedom of speach and democracy while others aim at censorship, control, denying freedom of speach and press. If one can't see the difference it is a sad state of affairs. The more you travel the world and see what life is like in other countries the more one can appreciate how good it is here in the U.S.
I don't live in the USA, and my life is pretty great here in South Africa.

I have friends who are living happily in South Korea, China, US. So I am not quite sure what exactly your point is, but thanks, I guess?
 

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The fact of the matter is when you buy a product that you know worth it and feel good about it, that is what matter. If Huawei could use Qualcomm processors in its products things would not have been that ugly, again they (Huawei) can design better stuff more power to them.
 
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The fact of the matter is when you buy a product that you know worth it and feel good about it, that is what matter. If Huawei could use Qualcomm processors in its products things would not have been that ugly, again they (Huawei) can design better stuff more power to them.
Exactly.

The hilarious part is that every single person in this thread uses a tech device made in China or with bits that were made in China and assembled at some other developing country that they would see as having questionable motives around spying.

If you are serious about boycotting China, do it properly, not half-ass it.

Anyway, enough of the nonsensical hypocrisy, it's making me sick just reading it.


Back to the Foldables, early adopters may have to wait longer than they would like:

Here’s why the Galaxy Fold and Huawei Mate X may be impossible to find at launch
https://bgr.com/2019/03/27/galaxy-fold-vs-huawei-mate-x-hinge-design/

 

lavrishevo

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It's not about where hardware is manufactured. This makes no difference. It is the software and who programs the baseband / firmware of the chips. Data sharing is software based not hardware. Hardware is just a tool. It makes no difference where the actual chip is made. The key is who is programming the chip what that they program it to do. iPhone's are the most secure when it comes to encryption and limiting data collection. This is why even the U.S. government is pissed their back doors are being shutdown.
 

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What other tech company outside of the USA has had the sort of meteoric rise in advancement and market share as Huawei in recent times?

I'm not worried.

In a few years time I'll be interested to see where perceptions are sitting after all this is over.

Not so long ago the US government was on a smear campaign against Russia, trying to turn the same countries against them, now it's China, wonder what will be next...
I really doubt entire governments in the world are banning Huawei because of their "meteoric rise", there are real security concerns that have been voiced by the top security agencies of many countries. To not be worried about this incredible and unprecedented world wide level of concern is dangerous IMO, we're not just talking about data mining here. I'm also not sure about a Russia smear campaign, there is tons of evidence that they have and continue to blatantly hack our election system. In a few years I'll predict our perceptions about China and Huawei will be even worse, matching the reality as the CFO gets extradited and tried in court, who knows what sort of information will come out at that point.

But we are getting far too political for this thread and I'll bow out. I'll gladly take this up in the political section because it's a great debate, but I won't derail the thread anymore.
 

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Newish hands on...

Mentions Corning developing a Gorilla Glass for foldables...I wonder if either the Mate X or Galaxy Fold will be fitted with it during their life cycles?
 
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Newish hands on...

Mentions Corning developing a Gorilla Glass for foldables...I wonder if either the Mate X or Galaxy Fold will be fitted with it during their life cycles?
Don't know, but I heard about spray-on screen protectors being looked at for some foldables in the meantime to provide more protection of the display.

Maybe the Gen 2s will use Corning.
 

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To be honest after seeing many fold videos I still think Huawei has the one which is going to be more populair. It only needs bendable glass for scratch protection.
 
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To be honest after seeing many fold videos I still think Huawei has the one which is going to be more populair. It only needs bendable glass for scratch protection.
I was convinced when it was announced and even more so when Huawei allowed us to play with these so early after announcement.

I just want to get my own one now

I can just see myself using it as a 6.6inch screen device 90% of the time and only unfolding it when I REALLY need to move to a bigger screen e.g. When I want to watch some YouTube, document editing or do some gaming. For Everything else, the 6.6inch form will suffice perfectly.
 

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I was convinced when it was announced and even more so when Huawei allowed us to play with these so early after announcement.

I just want to get my own one now

I can just see myself using it as a 6.6inch screen device 90% of the time and only unfolding it when I REALLY need to move to a bigger screen e.g. When I want to watch some YouTube, document editing or do some gaming. For Everything else, the 6.6inch form will suffice perfectly.
The thing is the Samsung Galaxy Fold force you to use the bigger screen almost every time. The smaller screen is almost not usable.
 
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The thing is the Samsung Galaxy Fold force you to use the bigger screen almost every time. The smaller screen is almost not usable.
The Fold could have had the advantage, but the engineers and designers IMO made some bad decisions. If they had put in a decent sized screen on the front and also made it a glass screen then it would have been awesome. I'm liking the deicsion to put the larger, plastic screen on the inside more and more, but not to the detriment of the phone functionality.
 
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