Huawei privacy versus Apple and Google

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I contacted Huawei via few sources and suggested to them that they change their security and privacy features if they wanted to take on Apple and Google. I asked that they try to create an end to end system that offered full encryption and the most secure platform which protected people's privacy. It would need to be marketed as the safest and most secure smartphone with the proper platform on it. I reckon someone listened...

 

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I contacted Huawei via few sources and suggested to them that they change their security and privacy features if they wanted to take on Apple and Google. I asked that they try to create an end to end system that offered full encryption and the most secure platform which protected people's privacy. It would need to be marketed as the safest and most secure smartphone with the proper platform on it. I reckon someone listened...

So to summarize, Huawei is targeting iPhone customers not happy with Apple’s level of security and have zero desire to use Google services, as well as existing Android customers also looking to give up their access to Google services and the Google Play store in exchange for a ‘more secure platform?’ Where are these customers exactly? 🤔

If someone falls into the later category, they can go get a Huawei phone right now to meet their needs. As far as the former, the number of current iPhone customer just holding out for that super secure Huawei phone can likely be counted on one hand.
 

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So to summarize, Huawei is targeting iPhone customers not happy with Apple’s level of security and have zero desire to use Google services, as well as existing Android customers also looking to give up their access to Google services and the Google Play store in exchange for a ‘more secure platform?’ Where are these customers exactly? 🤔

If someone falls into the later category, they can go get a Huawei phone right now to meet their needs. As far as the former, the number of current iPhone customer just holding out for that super secure Huawei phone can likely be counted on one hand.
Huawei just needs to offer better security and privacy. Using Apple as a company/platform to beat is a high standard from the Chinese perspective point of view.
 

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Huawei just needs to offer better security and privacy. Using Apple as a company/platform to beat is a high standard from the Chinese perspective point of view.
While I’m a proponent of more secure hardware and better privacy protection, I really can’t see how this will improve Huawei’s ability to attract new customers. The most substantial change they can make to open up their potential customer base is to resolve their issues with the US government so that they can once again add Google services and the Play store to their handsets, though to be honest, at this point I don’t really think it would make a difference considering their reputation.

Anyone who doesn’t care about these elements can already go grab a Huawei handset today and I doubt if they haven’t done so already that it has anything to do with their privacy policies.
 
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While I’m a proponent of more secure hardware and better privacy protection, I really can’t see how this will improve Huawei’s ability to attract new customers. The most substantial change they can make to open up their potential customer base is to resolve their issues with the US government so that they can once again add Google services and the Play store to their handsets, though to be honest, at this point I don’t really think it would make a difference considering their reputation.

Anyone who doesn’t care about these elements can already go grab a Huawei handset today and I doubt if they haven’t done so already that it has anything to do with their privacy policies.
They apparently will offer their smartphones with overseas servers as options to get around what I presume they wish to continue locally with surveillance. My guess is they will sell two versions as Apple does as well. International ones using international servers overseas and local ones using local servers with backdoors. Privacy and security would then be in the hands of the server the end user decides to use. I think it is highly probable that they will try to implement something to this nature to win trust from overseas buyers so as a poke in the eye to the US they will try and provide more secure smartphone to overseas buyers of their smartphones. They will want to show the world that they could beat or match Apple and Google with these features. These features though will not apply to smartphones sold locally in China (not going to happen if you ask me..)

My guess..
 

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Huawei just needs to offer better security and privacy. Using Apple as a company/platform to beat is a high standard from the Chinese perspective point of view.
I disagree.....they have a global trust issue that goes beyond the points you made.
I don't think they can be trusted. From everything I have posted in the other Huawei thread to the current events happening around the world. They have a zero trust factor in my mind.
 
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Outside the US, Huawei won't go anywhere.
Google will isolate Huawei just like they did to Windows Phone, by simply not making their apps available for the competing store.

The closest thing Huawei can become is akin to the Amazon fire tablets.

Which is highly unfortunate. Huawei is pioneering a lot of stuff, like night mode and periscope zoom. They are inching up there to be head to head with Samsung prior to the blacklist. It's just unfortunate, and consumers is the loser in the end.

Going from the privacy route would not be great either, because there's Apple. Why would a privacy conscious person pick Huawei over Apple?
 
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I disagree.....they have a global trust issue that goes beyond the points you made.
I don't think they can be trusted. From everything I have posted in the other Huawei thread to the current events happening around the world. They have a zero trust factor in my mind.
I know Xiaomi had an issue recently but to the best of my knowledge Huawei had not had one.
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Outside the US, Huawei won't go anywhere.
Google will isolate Huawei just like they did to Windows Phone, by simply not making their apps available for the competing store.

The closest thing Huawei can become is akin to the Amazon fire tablets.

Which is highly unfortunate. Huawei is pioneering a lot of stuff, like night mode and periscope zoom. They are inching up there to be head to head with Samsung prior to the blacklist. It's just unfortunate, and consumers is the loser in the end.

Going from the privacy route would not be great either, because there's Apple. Why would a privacy conscious person pick Huawei over Apple?
I have an iPhone and personally would not get rid of it for a Huawei simply because I have a MacBook Pro and iPad Pro as well which all sync well together using iTunes and for their privacy and security reasons. I also have a Huawei P30 Pro as I also had wanted a Google smartphone. They are different in my opinion.
 

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I know Xiaomi had an issue recently but to the best of my knowledge Huawei had not had one.
I know you participated in the other Huawei thread. So please don't pretend you don't know about ALL the issues with them.
 

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I know you participated in the other Huawei thread. So please don't pretend you don't know about ALL the issues with them.
I am aware but if you have one in particular that you are referring to please share to debate/discuss. (Sometimes I may forget something). When I see something bad from Huawei I will mention it and often not just mention it but escalate it to people working at Huawei to address.
 

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I am aware but if you have one in particular that you are referring to please share to debate/discuss. (Sometimes I may forget something). When I see something bad from Huawei I will mention it and often not just mention it but escalate it to people working at Huawei to address.
naw...you can read the other thread to get caught up and refresh your memory.
You should send your Huawei friends the other thread then...they might find it useful
 

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I have no issue with Huawei‘s phones or software. This whole trust privacy issue people here bring up is laughable with the Google industrial complex of data-collection going on full-bore, and flat-out spying this country (U.S.) does to its own citizens. It’s all a non-issue to me. Honest to God I’d rather Huawei be spying own me than the dumpster fire that is the U.S. has become over the last few years.

It’s an interesting play to differentiate themselves from Google on the privacy front. I mean in the U.S. they seem DOA because of political gamesmanship, but for them to go the Apple model outside the U.S. would be interesting.

My only issue is no Google services. It damn sure has nothing to do with the issue privacy that some other red, white and blue glasses wearing, cognitive dissonant here are moaning about. The Huawei thing here is nothing but a purely political play. Period.
 
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Trusted Huawei platform? Isn’t that a contradiction in terms? Trusted to go straight to the Chinese government, perhaps.
I was at a U.S. security conference last year that had a Chinese pavilion. I was surprised that they were demoing surveillance equipment with the intent to sell to U.S. markets...

...but most surprising to me is that there is anyone in a U.S. market who would even remotely consider placing Chinese surveillance tech in their factories, universities, laboratories, and cities.

Huawei is like letting a fox have run of the henhouse.
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I have no issue with Huawei‘s phones or software. This whole trust privacy issue people here bring up is laughable with the Google industrial complex of data-collection going on full-bore, and flat-out spying this country (U.S.) does to its own citizens.
There is no doubt that Google's "Don't be evil" mantra is a joke. The problem with Huawei is it (along with numerous other Chinese surveillance and communication technology devices) can have a very worrisome eye on our secrets and ultimately use them against us as a nation.

Most often, people don't consider the devices they carry with them in their daily lives -- bringing them into their defense contractor jobs, universities, laboratories, and cities. Don't think for a moment that Chinese-made surveillance and communications devices don't have backdoors to monitor their users (like even Google phones might have). I unthinkingly bought my son a Huawei smart watch a couple of years ago, not thinking that he works for a rocket design firm as one of their engineers. He quickly returned it to me and told me there was no way he could wear it into work.

Everyone should be cautious about devices they carry into situations and jobs they find themselves in, but carrying a device from a country that could be a threat to our security is dangerous. If your life consists of spending time at a coffee shop making espressos, I wouldn't worry, but if you work in any place where you sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of your job, you should think before you buy...

...and think before you carry.
 
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In light of recent world events, they'll be even more suspicion when it comes to trusting Huawei.
I know a couple engineers at a Canadian office they have, they 100% spy and are a branch of the CCP giving them access to all networks weaknesses they exploit when it has merit. I mean they hacked Nortel for 10 years and stole a lot of leading network tech to copy, and take over the company.

They should not be supported, ever!
 
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I know a couple engineers at a Canadian office they have, they 100% spy and are a branch of the CCP giving them access to all networks weaknesses they exploit when it has merit. I mean they hacked Nortel for 10 years and stole a lot of leading network tech to copy, and take over the company.

They should not be supported, ever!
If it was 100% the US would have provided proof and evidence as requested. Germany and the U.K. song with Switzerland and other countries checked but did not find this. We have Google and Facebook spying on many Americans and many seem to accept this. I can not say that they are perfect but to say others are is like the Kettle calling the Pot black ;)
 

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If it was 100% the US would have provided proof and evidence as requested. Germany and the U.K. song with Switzerland and other countries checked but did not find this. We have Google and Facebook spying on many Americans and many seem to accept this. I can not say that they are perfect but to say others are is like the Kettle calling the Pot black ;)
Google and FB art spying for government and military technology gains. There is tons of "proof" of this outside the company with their entire history from day one. Nortel being the first large case.

Staff in their company has been ratting them out for years, US has tons of proof on this matter.
 
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Google and FB art spying for government and military technology gains. There is tons of "proof" of this outside the company with their entire history from day one. Nortel being the first large case.

Staff in their company has been ratting them out for years, US has tons of proof on this matter.
If this was true they would not be allowed to sell smartphones in Europe and many Asian countries.
 

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Today we can see that what people accuse Huawei of sharing with the government or working with the military is now exactly what Google is doing so the post from Above is proven false here as Google is working with Pentagon for AI. Google is now to the Pentagon as to what critics accuse Huawei of being to China's Communist Government Party.

 

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I am aware but if you have one in particular that you are referring to please share to debate/discuss. (Sometimes I may forget something). When I see something bad from Huawei I will mention it and often not just mention it but escalate it to people working at Huawei to address.
So that leads me to ask...do you work with or for Huawei any capacity?
Why would Huawei people look to you for feedback? Why would Huawei take any comments from you and answer to them to you? Do you work for Huawei?
 

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So that leads me to ask...do you work with or for Huawei any capacity?
Why would Huawei people look to you for feedback? Why would Huawei take any comments from you and answer to them to you? Do you work for Huawei?
I don’t work for Huawei. Never have and never did. Many companies often take customer feedback into consideration. ;) I have sent feedback to Apple many times as well too and I don’t work for Apple either. The list goes on for many other companies,manufacturers,products,businesses and restaurants for which I had sent feedback to of which I don’t work for.
 

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I don’t work for Huawei. Never have and never did. Many companies often take customer feedback into consideration. ;) I have sent feedback to Apple many times as well too and I don’t work for Apple either. The list goes on for many other companies,manufacturers,products,businesses and restaurants for which I had sent feedback to of which I don’t work for.
sorry...but this sounds like more than just some person submitting random feedback....
When I see something bad from Huawei I will mention it and often not just mention it but escalate it to people working at Huawei to address.
 

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sorry...but this sounds like more than just some person submitting random feedback....
Sorry.. but you have been wrong a couple of times already. I own one of their smartphones just like I own an iPhone and when I find or see something wrong on either one I often send feedback to manufacturer to address. I have done the same with the cars I have owned too. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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