I have no issue typing on my device all the time because I’m used to it
If it’s a horrible experience then of course your going to think like that
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If it’s a horrible experience then of course your going to think like that
That is why you are when you look at iOS now & the devices launched under him
Then that should tell you all about his leadership
When the value of the company has increased but has everything else
That is a good thing for you, and I mean that sincerely not in jest. But, I have to ask, which device are you using where you are constantly typing on an all glass keyboard (like you would type on a physical keyboard, not on a phone screen) for long periods of time?
yeah no. this isn't huawierumors.com
no one here seems to even be aware that other companies also have devices like this already
You are jumping to a fair few conclusions here which need to be qualified.
Huawei moved away (from a business model perspective) from 'cheap' phones many years ago. Way before the pandemic. It still has lines of cheap options but the focus is on mid-rangers, premium and ultra-premium devices. Those ultra premium devices are in a category that Apple does not have and I am not talking about only folding phones. All the Porsche Design models sold out - in spite of the higher prices.
It wasn't long ago that Huawei became the world's top handset vendor.
Then sanctions were imposed and Huawei had to re-develop its entire supply chain. That takes time but is basically now finished save for some areas. As a result sales have reduced but are now on the upturn, especially in China.
When you talk about 'best selling phones' you either don't understand what that means or are being disingenuous.
Best selling 'phones' means best selling 'models'.
Any manufacturer that ships lots of phones via lots of models will not have it easy to appear in that listing. On the other hand, any company that sells lots of phones via few models (Apple) will logically appear in that list.
How did Huawei manage to jack up HarmonyOS adoption? Well, there are a few reasons but among them was keeping older phones valid for longer. They achieved this by, among other things, allowing users to increase storage space (at a very low cost) on their existing phones. Something Apple would NEVER do. It also brought in a battery swap program (also at very low cost).
Even now Huawei ships millions of premium and ultra premium phones and it is very much a flagship player. Perhaps the one to watch now that it has returned to its typical release cycle of two conventional flagship series releases per year (Pura and Mate) and now also two folding flagship releases.
Huawei would never have developed something like NearLink if it were just a cheap phone maker.
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I agree Huawei may not end up in charts because they have more models but you still get the burden of proof that they sell a relevant amount of similarly priced model as Apple. I really don't think they do, not even in China, judging from them having a single phone in chinese top ten (which, by the way, is cheaper than the cheapest Apple one, and they have 5 amounting to 12% of the whole phone market). That's just a part of the whole picture but it says something.
Apple world dominance in the flagship market is still a fact (I have no love for Apple or any company) and "Apple sells less phones" is still a bad comparison. Mid-range models you talk about can cost half an iPhone, cheaper Huawei phones are still very much a thing.
About Huawei keeping their phones alive for longer... well, that means they sell even less? (though of course, I 100% agree it's better for consumers and the planet but that's not what we're debating
)Anyway, my original point was just that these "innovations" can be cool but they're veeery far from being what shifts the market. Even from supposedly revolutionary brands, people still mostly buy pretty standard phones and not the weird ones. In this specific case, price is a big factor but in similar situation where it wasn't, things looked very similar to me.
You are painting with a very broad brush there. In China (just like everywhere else) you will see the best and the worst of everything.
I'll fly in a Chinese plane any day (especially if the alternative is Boeing!)
Is the Cybertruck now safe to drive or is there a new recall notification for this week?
Huawei flagship phones are the pinnacle of design and build quality. They also have some of the best finishes out there. Have you seen the Rococo Pearl finish and manufacturing process?
Have you seen a review of a Huawei flagship phone that calls out build quality?
There are videos out there of people smashing open walnuts with the screens of their Huawei phones (I don't recommend trying that at home) and coming out unscathed.
Even back in 2017, when the Mate 10 went head to head with iPhone X there was the anecdote of the photo comparison part of the presentation. A black screen for the iPhone. Why? The photoshoot was in Alaska and the iPhone couldn't handle the cold and switched off.
Huawei repairs (for when something does happen) are also worthy of note. When a pile of books fell onto the charging port of my old phone with the cable plugged in, Huawei changed the port for something like 29€ and threw a new back plate (I had scuffed it while removing it to investigate) and a new official battery - for free!
I have iPhones and Honor/Huawei devices at home. The mollycoddled iPhone needed a battery change. Multiple Honor phones (absolutely abused in charging terms by me) have never failed. And I say abuse, I as far as you can get from 'recommended use'.
The only consideration I always adhere to is to ALWAYS use an official charger/cable when plugged into a wall and quality external batteries.
No Apple waits till they have the technology perfected. Some Chinese company is just going to release it as soon as they get a working copy. It’s easy to get something to market quickly if you’re not concerned about it having issues.
I think we have a miscommunication here. I didn’t say it was a fair wage. I said it wasn’t slavery. In Chinese prisons, you will work if they tell you to. It’s not an option and you get no pay for it. In the USA prisons you can choose to work.According to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, inmates earn between 12-40 cents per hour for these jobs, which is below the federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour.
Penal labor in the United States - Wikipedia
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So pensioner in US earns between 12-40 cents per hour, you are not calling this labor abuse? Where is mass protest that you said?
What’s that because according to the post I was replying to the individual says cheap Chinese products rely on cheap labor to get made
And yet 90% of apple products are made in china on a wage of $2.88 an hour.
What is the difference between a Huawei product made in china
And an apple product made in china
Nope.
In the USA..."Sentenced inmates are required to work if they are medically able."
~https://www.bop.gov/inmates/custody_and_care/work_programs.jsp
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The Matebook X has MS Windows. Their earbuds and smartwatches are iOS and Android standalone App based. Their PC Monitors OSD is a non issue. All appropriate for the geography being sold into. Not banned in most countries that I'm aware of.
I have never seen HarmonyOS to have an opinion, but the use of Harmony OS was only because Google suspended business with Huawei that included access to its Android operating system and related services, following the U.S. government's blacklisting of Huawei. Some say Google is an extension of US gov but they have been pretty supportive of most handset manufacturers including other Chinese phone mfg’s that are popular and not blacklisted. Not sure its about threat to control market, rather the political and criminal associations. I also might be misunderstanding your post.
Yeah I didn’t know that. Apparently the 13th amendment abolished slavery “except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.” That doesn’t sound morally correct IMO.
Uh-huh. Just like they waited with AI. Numerous others have released less than perfect AI (barely functional AI😑, IMO). I must admit, Apple AI is on a different level than the janky🤭 AI like ChatGPT, DeepSeek, OpenAI, CoPilot and Gemini.😏
I was mainly referring to hardware. AI is a mess right now. People have been bombarded with messages that say AI is the future so when a device doesn’t have the letters A and I in the specifications consumers think it’s a bad thing. I saw a food blender for the kitchen with AI labeling on the front. It’s getting ridiculous. Companies are panicking trying to throw out anything they can call AI just to say their device has it.
Apple has had its mishaps with hardware as well: antenna-gate, bend-gate, jelly scroll to name a few. Apple, to their credit, managed to fix the issues. One issue was the result of reaching beyond their grasp: butterfly keyboard. Stupid pursuit of thinness.
do that Apple before they "kung fu" you back to the stone age.
Many people in the US will switch from Apple cell phones to Huawei or Xiaomi when given the chance. They know and are afraid, so they won't let Chinese tech inside. Apple is losing now in the China market, and probably will too in the US market if things don't change. We are just talking cell phones. What about bullet trains, cars (especially the AI in the cars), underwater tunnels, robots and roads connecting and interacting different cities all together?
Even Google seems to be doing better at their phone OS (streaming right now, Google I/O 2025) and making more advancements and changes than Apple iOS. Example is the Google Gemini vs Siri AI (yeah, that's going to take a while still...)
Many people in the US will switch from Apple cell phones to Huawei or Xiaomi when given the chance. They know and are afraid, so they won't let Chinese tech inside. Apple is losing now in the China market, and probably will too in the US market if things don't change. We are just talking cell phones. What about bullet trains, cars (especially the AI in the cars), underwater tunnels, robots and roads connecting and interacting different cities all together?
Even Google seems to be doing better at their phone OS (streaming right now, Google I/O 2025) and making more advancements and changes than Apple iOS. Example is the Google Gemini vs Siri AI (yeah, that's going to take a while still...)
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they are doing the young and hungry thing. Western companies are at the other end of this, where they are all about shareholders instead of customers.
Out of all the ones you mentioned the butterfly keyboard was the only real hardware problem. The other ones were people being silly.Apple has had its mishaps with hardware as well: antenna-gate, bend-gate, jelly scroll to name a few. Apple, to their credit, managed to fix the issues. One issue was the result of reaching beyond their grasp: butterfly keyboard. Stupid pursuit of thinness.
Huawei has been producing foldable phone since 2019. I don't see there is widespread issues. So does Samsung and other different phone makers.
I don't know how long before Apple releases its foldable, but I highly doubt about it. Apple is a company making iPhone 16E as a product, they are too concerned about revenue. Foldable as product category will naturally take some revenue away from iPad and Mac sales.
Apple seems to think VR/AR headset is the future and I will see how it goes.
But before you accuse someone or some company copying all, you should have some evidences.
My point wasn't about Apple but the 'ungodly amount of cheap phones'.I agree Huawei may not end up in charts because they have more models but you still get the burden of proof that they sell a relevant amount of similarly priced model as Apple. I really don't think they do, not even in China, judging from them having a single phone in chinese top ten (which, by the way, is cheaper than the cheapest Apple one, and they have 5 amounting to 12% of the whole phone market). That's just a part of the whole picture but it says something.
Apple world dominance in the flagship market is still a fact (I have no love for Apple or any company) and "Apple sells less phones" is still a bad comparison. Mid-range models you talk about can cost half an iPhone, cheaper Huawei phones are still very much a thing.
About Huawei keeping their phones alive for longer... well, that means they sell even less? (though of course, I 100% agree it's better for consumers and the planet but that's not what we're debating
Anyway, my original point was just that these "innovations" can be cool but they're veeery far from being what shifts the market. Even from supposedly revolutionary brands, people still mostly buy pretty standard phones and not the weird ones. In this specific case, price is a big factor but in similar situation where it wasn't, things looked very similar to me.
Last year estimates put Huawei sales for the year at just under 50 million units.
Just two flaship lines (P70 and M70) make up well over half of those sales. That is without including the folding, flip and Nova lines of which none are cheap.
The 'cheap' Y series phones make up a tiny fraction of what is left.
They had to de-Americanse over 13,000 components and 4,000 circuit boards.
I've seen analysts claim no other company on earth could have pulled that off in such a short time. Obviously that kind of re-jigging still takes its time (and testing) before they can end up in products.
At the same time (and also due to sanctions), they undertook the gargantuan task of creating a new ERP system (MetaERP) which has been described as replacing the jet engine of a plane - while it's in flight.
At the same time they were developing HarmonyOS.
At the same time they were building up a chip manufacturing supply chain (which reportedly also includes EUV capability).
Huawei provided a system to allow users to upgrade storage because they were re-jigging those supply lines due to sanctions.
It isn't that they would sell less, it is they couldn't make enough phones to satisfy demand so instead of seeing users upgrading to other brands they let them upgrade their existing phones.
After briefly topping the world's handset charts prior to sanctions, Huawei is now making a slightly bigger push globally (not that its phones ever went away) but the focus remains mainly on China due to limited production capacity (it also needs its Ascend and Kunpeng chips, not just the X and Kirin lines.
If testing at around twenty new manufacturing sites (some of them foundries) goes to plan, mass production should begin late this year and into 2026.
The Mate XT (tri-fold) has reportedly sold 400,000 units in China. It is now available outside China.
Some say that sales of the ultra expensive device would bring in revenues of over a billion dollars for just one model.
Last year, in spite of sanctions, Huawei reported revenues that were not far off its highest pre-sanctions results and, incredibly, that was without the Honor brand (sold off in 2021).
A large part was attributed to the Consumer Business Group (the unit that sells among other things, phones).
Like I said, it has been many, many years since Huawei moved away from cheap phones as a revenue driver.
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You're completely skipping over the product photos are designed to make it look like an Apple product, right? They are the ones deliberately invoking the comparisons.
It looks nothing like an Apple product (whatever that means exactly). Especially one that doesn't exist.
It's a folding tablet, laptop tablet or something in between.
What do you think it should look like?
If anything, any future Apple equivalent might look like this Huawei effort! The same could apply to any future Apple folding phone.
Should we be saying that all modern iPhones 'sans notch' are like Android phones? With their cutouts. And let's not forget that the rebranding of the pinhole animations was something that Huawei did (through Honor) years previously. Apple simply turbocharged the idea with a new name (which by the way was met with audible laughter by the live audience when it was announced at WWDC). Is the dynamic island a Huawei idea?
Most modern devices follow design traits that are fairly common at any given time among many manufacturers. Apple has gone for flat edges at the moment. What was the alternative? Rounded. Same story with tablets. That's basically the two options. Thinner or thicker. More rounded or not. The same applies to the screen options (flat or curved). Aspect is the same 3:2, 16:10, 4:3 or variants that don't stray much from that.
This particular device has a soft touch exterior. No Apple device does.
Huawei has done far more research with finishes too. From the soft touch material on show here to Rococo Pearl etc. Apple hasn't really moved the needle on that.
The same applies to the system, which some people describe as a mix of Android and iOS while others say it's not. Same story. How do you like your icons. Flatter, squarer, rounded?
To a degree, everything in this business is going to look like everything else or close to it.
Do you remember when Mac OS finally got sticky menus? Where did they come from?
Or all the recent additions to iOS. Most of them, staples from Android.
Let's give Huawei credit for producing a very stylish product. Stunning even. One I'm sure most Apple users would not scoff at - if only it came from Apple.