bartelby
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Really?!?!
Mitsubishi have only managed to get 38MPG out of the buggers and that's optimum driving of a brand new vehicle!
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Really?!?!
Mitsubishi have only managed to get 38MPG out of the buggers and that's optimum driving of a brand new vehicle!
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
you're gonna have to show me credible research on this... because I have credible research on the contrary. I like how you try to sound smart by making your stereotype sound scientific ..."psychological motivations for behavior." Lol. I can see that you must not be a psych major. I'd venture to say that you've probably never taken an upper level psych course either. Because this is clearly trying to pass BS off as intelligent conversation, and I'm gonna call you out on it.
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
I get about 20 out of my Range, when I drive it in the summer. In usually don't need a car though so my ability to estimate mpg is pretty poor.
quagmire
macrumors 604
So because I want a Corvette Z06 I am compensating for something? What will you have us drive? Boring 80 HP 4 banger vehicles that just take us from point a to point b with no fun in between?
eyemacg5
macrumors 6502
The computer that plugs into the truck(sorry for being vague) told us that it was doing around 40MPG.
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
takao
macrumors 68040
wait you need a SUV to drive in the snow ? wonder how all the people here in the alps are surviving (in snowy years like last one.. warmest summer ever .. but that's another topic)
a friend of mine lives in 1700 meters height close to a mountain pass and he drives a Golf II diesel, another friend living in a skiing resort drives a madza 323 4wd
omg thinking about it how could they have survived 50 years ago when there were no 4wd cars available
and a heavy car isn't going to help in the snow/ice if you got only RWD ...
more important is a _thinner_ tire because you get more pressure on the ground
though i'm kinda confused why snow is such a problem unless you are living at the end of the world in some very rural region ... snow hardly comes as a surprise and around here the plough crews all are on alert soon enough so that in the morning there is little snow on the bigger streets
edit: i'm 22 and i don't remember our car getting stuck in the snow once... on the day in 2002 when it snowed 2 feet within 24 hours my father still got to work without a problem with the snow
a friend of mine lives in 1700 meters height close to a mountain pass and he drives a Golf II diesel, another friend living in a skiing resort drives a madza 323 4wd
omg thinking about it how could they have survived 50 years ago when there were no 4wd cars available
and a heavy car isn't going to help in the snow/ice if you got only RWD ...
more important is a _thinner_ tire because you get more pressure on the ground
though i'm kinda confused why snow is such a problem unless you are living at the end of the world in some very rural region ... snow hardly comes as a surprise and around here the plough crews all are on alert soon enough so that in the morning there is little snow on the bigger streets
edit: i'm 22 and i don't remember our car getting stuck in the snow once... on the day in 2002 when it snowed 2 feet within 24 hours my father still got to work without a problem with the snow
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
yeah i got a friend in Colorado who drives a 1970 F-150, whats your point? To each his own.
TheAnswer
macrumors 68030
Are you seriously claiming that one's internal psychological process plays no role in behavior? or are you claiming that attempting to generalize the interaction between such processes and behavior is comparable to making the racial stereotypes you forwarded?
I don't think your Rangey gets 20mpg. That would be amazing if it did. I would expect 14-15mpg average. BTW, you don't have to guess the fuel economy, it tells you. 🙄
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
If you have good city/state snow plowing that's one thing. But if you don't then yer stuck looking out the window for 2 or 3 days waiting for the plow truck to come by so you can get your car outta the drive way. I used to live in Indiana which at the time used to get one or two good dumps each year. But I guess the snow plow budget was always the first thing on the chopping block 'cause rarely were the plows on top of the situation.
Lethal
takao
macrumors 68040
well snow isn't really that difficult to drive on ... in 12 years of school i never had to get to school otherwise and that included 1 feet of snow.. i actually enjoyed it way more than rain
on ice it's more difficult especially if the conditions aren't the same everwhere and some car drives haven't learned yet that ice is different from an ordinary road
cornering takes some looking ahead though especially if you have stock tires
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
any further discussion on this issue w.o scholarly research, of which there is actually quite a bit on this subject, is pointless. You may have a personal bias against people who drive SUVs, for whatever reason, but please don't disguise it as scientific matter of fact.
pssst..... [whisper]Or if you do, at least make it sound credible and not like some 18 year old kid with one year of high school psych trying sound like he/she knows what he/she is talking about . [/whisper]
This thread it getting stupider and stupider.
Obviously the tree huggers aren't going to like SUVs.
The little people driving cars aren't going to like SUVs.
(although somehow I am not annoyed when I am driving a sedan with big SUVs around me)
The people that like SUV's won't give them up unless gas becomes $5+ a gallon.
And minivans and pickup trucks too get horrible gas mileage, are big, and block your vision, but no on seems to care about them.
Obviously the tree huggers aren't going to like SUVs.
The little people driving cars aren't going to like SUVs.
(although somehow I am not annoyed when I am driving a sedan with big SUVs around me)
The people that like SUV's won't give them up unless gas becomes $5+ a gallon.
And minivans and pickup trucks too get horrible gas mileage, are big, and block your vision, but no on seems to care about them.
takao
macrumors 68040
you haven't yet responded to those minivan stats i posted earlier where you asked about more efficient mini vans
about pick ups: they are mostly something for americans or irregular militias in the middle east/africa, for hauling there are better commercial vehicles available
Is being labelled a 'tree hugger' meant to be an insult or a compliment?
(By the way, the main reason I dislike SUV's is because of the amount of space they take up on the road. I hate having to try to squeeze pass a parked SUV. They're just too bloody wide!)
TheAnswer
macrumors 68030
I think you've confused two issues...there is the issue of my personal generalizations (or stereotypes) of SUV owners and the second issue of the racial stereotypes you posited in comparison to them.
Maybe you don't fit squarely in my profile of an SUV driver, I never said you did or that I didn't (hint, hint).
However, the basis of my personal generalizations is the notion of behavior as manifestation of internal attitudes (psychology), while the racial stereotypes you sought to compare them with are suggesting aptitude based on biological predisposition. Two different things = Apples to Oranges.
Hmm... Well buddy, we don't really have any diesel cars here- SUVs or Minivans so thats not really relevant because American is the country with the SUVs.
carbonmotion
macrumors 6502a
True or false, you think most SUV owners purchase the vehical because they are compensating for their insecurities (i.e. undersizsed reproducive organs) and/or lack of intelligence. there's actually extensive sociological research conducted in the former, and I think the ladder is pretty hard to test.
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
LOL! For some reason I found that very funny. Guess I've seen one too many movies where some badies have a .50 cal bolted into the bed of a 30yr old, rusted-out truck.
The residential streets in LA are so small and crowded (typically parked cars along each side) that two cars can barely pass w/o hitting. Let alone a car and a Fat-Ass-Mobile (my nickname for SUV's 'cause trying to squeeze past one is like trying to shimmy past someone w/a really big ass in the narrow isle of a grocery store). And if it's a Hummer or an H2? Forget about it. That superFAM takes up damn near all the empty asphalt all by itself.
Lethal