People are so quick to quit nowadays, makes it easy for companies not to pay unemployment
If it does, then their infrastructure team that quit were a bunch of clowns.The entire US server team is gone.
The site will break within the next 72 hours most likely.
First of all implying that Twitter with its over 10K (7500 employees & 5000 contractors), only has 100 people doing the majority of the work, is incorrect. There are over 100 teams at twitter, a bunch of them have no people now, by your math, some of the teams had noone that does work, and all the other teams have the majority of the work done by a single person. Also all Elon has done is lower compensation at every turn. First of all he fired half the employees. Virtually noone does nothing, and everything that 1/2 of the employees were doing now has to be done by someone else. We had a 10% reduction in force at my employer and the extra workload was nightmarish, losing 50% is a nightmare to all of Twitter, and then throw in firing 80% of the contractors and everyone has 3-4x as much work as before. Add to that Elon now by saying you now have to come into the office a minimum of 40 hours a week (Gas, parking, drive time, etc) , no free food (more money) and oh btw I need 80+ hours a week from you. Understand most of Twitter are salaried, they get paid the same for 40 hours as they do for 80+ hours, this is classic Elon, you only have to look at his 2021 email to all the employees at SpaceX, when he told them they may go bankrupt if everyone took their 4 day Thanksgiving Holiday weekend instead of saving the company. Same message this year (Bankruptcy), different company but again, you need to work super hard for Twitter 2.0, because I bought the company, and borrowed the money for it instead of selling another 13 Billion in stock, and the company really doesn't have the cash flow to pay the note I took out, so I decided to make the advertisers mad and implemented a feature (Cool blue Check), that costs me $12 in revenue per person using it per month. Yeah ELON!!!In behaviour economics, we learned that the number of employees doing most of the work in a team or company can be calculated by the square root of the total employees.
So...
Team of 4, then 2.
Team of 9, then 3.
Team of 16, then 4.
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Team of 100, only 10.
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Team of 10,000, only 100. <-- This is approximately the scale of Twitter before Elon.
I would keep firing and shed the deadweight.
The difficult part is to keep the best employees and let go the bad ones. One thing you can never do is to lower compensation. This will only drive away the best, who got options. The only alternative is firing and trimming all the time.
Smart in one area doesn't mean smart across the board. Steve Jobs was colossal moron who thought he could treat his pancreatic cancer with supplements and juices.I'm confused.
He's a billionaire so he is supposed to be smarter than me...
Working from home is cool. *Expecting* to work from home and acting like having to go to the office is some horrible injustice is incredibly entitled.I work from a home office. I'm expected to work at the place I work, which is my home.
It sounds like some people here are offended that others don't have to jump through unnecessary hoops that they do, such as commuting.
So I have to ask.I bet the ones that stay, work hard and excel will get VERY RICH
I know - something hard to understand for those who are offended when it rains
And, who try to crap on everyone else’s success
BINGO! An ultimatum like that gets all the awesome engineers to dust off their resumes and job hop for a nice raise. What younget left with are the people working there on H1 Visas and cannot jump ship and the people who are not superstar engineers and would have a hard time finding another job. No superstar engineer reads that ultimatum and thinks “finally, this is what I have been waiting for!” (Unless they are already an Elon cultist).The people who stay will be people who think they'd have a hard time finding another job. People with impeccable credentials and abilities will have no trouble finding a new job.
That doesnt make any sense. These arent people who just started working from home, they have been for years, in some cases for a decade and many many more for 3 years at least. Why wouldnt you expect to work from if you work from home already? It’s an entirely reasonable expectationWorking from home is cool. *Expecting* to work from home and acting like having to go to the office is some horrible injustice is incredibly entitled.
3 month severance is likely more money too since unemployment benefits do not replace your full salary when you make $150m annually.In which state? Being fired for performance usually means no unemployment. The 3 months severance pay is quicker and more painful to the company.
Blind love of a maniac is disgusting and insane.I’m just quoting these so they’re all in one place where I can reference them later when Elon finally fails 😂
Agreed. We need not look further than Apple when Steve Jobs returned. He definitely killed some programs, and people quit, but he brought in some really strong folks from NeXT and refocused the product pipeline.No, this is not how you do any of that stuff. This is how you acquire a class action lawsuit from all of the people you mistreated, bullied, and fired.
Given he expects and makes them do it at SpaceX, why on earth do you think he is just kidding about doing it a Twitter? Understand since they are salaried they don't get any more money, so he wants them to work twice as many hours for only the same amount of pay, and oh btw even before the 25% who were left exited the company today, given the 50% of employees he had already fired last week and 80% of the contractors he fired last weekedn, we have 3-4X the work with the much smaller staff, and almost a year to a day from his last thanksgiving post of SpaceX, about, need to work Thanksgiving or we go BANKRUPT!!! This year - Twitter employees get we need to double down with 25% of the staff left or we are going BANKRUPT!!!!. Gee that looks familiar. Most of the staff that is left have work visa or health care issues that prevent them from just quitting but the majority are going to be looking for new jobs. Elon is notorious for giving bad raises, and having some of the worst work-life balanced companies in the world, trying to run twitter with 1/3-1/4 of the people that it was running with only two weeks ago, all while being yelled at for not working a full 40 hours of unpaid overtime, its not a job a bunch of competent people are going to be signing up for and he doesn't even have the we are going to Mars lie to recruit people for Twitter.This email he sent just seemed to be a warning that the employees will have to do actual work if they want to stay at Twitter.
I don’t think he’s serious about 80 hour work weeks… and warning about hard work just weeds out the lazy whiners.
I bet most of his money was shoved up his ass by familyI'm confused.
He's a billionaire so he is supposed to be smarter than me...
Smart in one area doesn't mean smart across the board. Steve Jobs was colossal moron who thought he could treat his pancreatic cancer with supplements and juices.
If anything, you could be a LOT smarter than many of these glorified suits.
He had said that all employees needed to work from the office 40 hours a week
Wow what a business genius. I apologize to all the musk fanboys I’ve called weird on this website. I was obviously wrong.
In that case he should have waited for it to go into bankruptcy and pick up the assets on the cheap. Once it goes into bankruptcy his equity stake will be worth $0 and the debt holders will own the company entirelyI agree in a way, this needs to happen in this form or another.
Twitter -- BEFORE Elon was forced to buy it -- was in 1 billion dollar debt, and had no way of paying it. Zero. In light of its business management and models it was already in deep trouble. It's no wonder the board and execs wanted to force Elon to buy it so they get to bail on all that debt and exit with a golden parachute.
That means the existing company and model were always going to go bankrupt if it keeps running things the way it's been running.
Frankly, it's going to be hard to pay off that debt when twitter never really made a lot of money for the company even with all those people using it.
Well in California it’s paid for by both employees in paycheck withholding and employers in premiumsIf Elon can't afford the same integrity by having a lawful layout notice, then why should his employees do the same? Also, isn't unemployment benefits such as these are paid by the employers through employers' tax?
Are you a salaried person who is working 70-75 hours a week and still getting paid the same as you were when you were working 40 hours a week? Thats what Elon is asking here. At this point about 75% of the people are gone, so everyone has a lot more work to do. They can't work tomorrow or this weekend, because they have locked everyone out until Monday, he's decided instead of 8-5 M-F, the hours are 7-7 M-Sunday, ie 12 hour days, 7 days a week. Why do I know he isn't just weeding out the lazy people, because he does this same thing (80+ hour weeks for salaried employees) at SpaceX and has been doing it for probably 10 years now. Its constantly voted one of the worst Work-Life balance companies. Tesla has so many complaints about its work practices that it would require a different thread.Where do I sign up?
I already work about 70-75 hours a week at a pretty damn high intensity.
It’s his company now. He can run it how he sees fit.
And for all of you that are against this proposition of his or against his style…
How do you know he isn’t just weeding out the lazy a$$e$ up front that will flee at the mention of hard work? Afterwards, he will treat those that stuck by his side with a lot more leniency but still require production?