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Hundreds of Twitter Employees Leaving After Elon Musk's 'Extremely Hardcore' Work Demands

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AltecX said:
If one side is literally lying and spreading misinformation much more than another side(and yes multiple studies found that right wing leaning user and media were sharing MASSIVLEY more false and misleading info) then they ill be acted on more. Even more so when that's often the side trying to imply that violence is a proper solution to arguments.

"Authors of the study followed 9,000 politically engaged Twitter users, half Democratic and half Republican, in October 2020. The authors continued keeping track of their Twitter habits for six months after the 2020 election.

The study did find a disparity between how many users from each party were suspended — 7.7% of the Democrats compared to 35.6% of Republicans.

Republicans on Twitter, however, “shared substantially more news from misinformation,” the study found."

The bias wasn't left/right due to politics, it was that the Right simply spread more lies. Stop lying and they would get banned less... easy solution they seemingly want to ignore. Same issue the Right took with Google search results. They do things most people(western world has a left lean, thats just a fact) don't like and they get negative headlines, but were confused by that and blamed Googles algorithm instead of just thinking "hmm maybe I should do LESS things that people don't like...or do MORE things people DO like to balance it out..." They seem to only want to ever see NICE stories, not ACCURATE stories if you google them.
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Who was the one determining if information was false? if that checker is a human then they have bias as well.
the funny part is you are sitting here saying it is ok to not apply the rules equally because it fits what you want. That you can say if one side is lying and spreading misinformation without ever a thought that the extremes of both parties spread equal amounts of disinformation is pretty funny.
I would also point out that the "side" you seem to favor talks about killing cops a lot. Was in favor of riots in cities. Both of those things seem pretty violent.
 
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macsplusmacs said:
Well said.

Enron is the sort of manager that would try and bully nine women into have a baby in one month.
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Been there, lived that. Your allusion to the mythical man month is particularly apt in these circumstances. Brooks is pretty clear that adding *new* programmers to an already delayed project only makes it later. Twitter has pretty much put themselves into a position where a good number of the programmers[*] they now throw at a problem will indeed be new.

[*] Worse, I think, will be the operations side of the house. Love or hate the platform but take note that it's pretty much always available. At Twitter's scale, this should not be taken for granted. New talent, if they can now attract any, might be world class but getting up to speed is not going to be trivial. Going without an application upgrade for a while might fly under the radar; a world-wide outage will not.
 
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AltecX said:
Apple was already weeks/months away from going under at that point. He was trying to save a sinking ship that was nearly sunk.
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Twitter wasn't/isn't in the best financial shape either.

Also, Twitter founder Jack Dorsey even admitted that he grew the company too quickly (over hired) so Twitter layoffs were probably warranted. Whether or not Musk's approach to handling these layoffs was right/appropriate is debatable but he is far from the first CEO to be inappropriate in hiring/firing/employment "techniques."
 
hooptyuber said:
“Everyone who doesn't reflexively parrot today's wokeness is a monster who must be destroyed!!....*heavy breathing*”
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That is the feeling I get, this is more political then anything else. I think many thought Elon was on the left and are now shocked to find he is not. This is an honest question as I have never used Twitter and never plan to, has the app changed at all in how it functions at the moment? As far as I see no one is being forced to pay monthly for Twitter, only if they want the blue checkmark.
 
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xpxp2002 said:
Exactly. It has long since changed to a one-sided arrangement where the employer gets an unlimited amount of your time whenever they want it in exchange for not having to pay anything extra. Having worked salary exempt in this field for nearly 20 years, I've never seen a scenario where the employer didn't benefit greatly from salary exempt at the employee's expense.

Sure, they toss you 2 or 3 weeks of PTO, but they make sure they get it back and then some with endless upgrades that they only allow you to do in the dead of night after working a full day, or on weekends. They put you on-call and require you to literally be at their beck and call for free, even after you've put in your 10 or 12 hours all day and through the night. If you add up all the extra hours of work you do in a given year as a salary exempt employee, I guarantee you'll find that it more than outpaces the limited PTO bone you're thrown every year.

Instead of simply fairly paying an employee for their time and paying overtime as needed to compensate for unexpected or occasional extra work, the employee gets paid the same amount no matter how much work gets thrust upon them. Meanwhile, I've never had the reverse happen where I can just decide to not work and be paid for it without dipping into my limited PTO.

Salary exempt is a completely imbalanced, one-sided arrangement. And because all employers have figured out that it's a completely legal loophole, you can't simply "get another job" to escape it. They're all rigged the same way.
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Sounds like you want to be a 1099 employee.
 
Stiksi said:
You stated that…
MacGekko said:
hundreds of millions have been killed by collective farming

…not ”related to those practises” but ”killed by”. Wake me up when you’re ready to back that up. Also, it wasn’t capitalism as a system that made the west rich, it was colonialism and the resulting redistribution of wealth and resources that made possible technological advances. Capitalism just made sure that the wealth was not evenly distributed. On that note, what we have is not capitalism as it was when it sort of worked, we have crony capitalism, which has made an increasingly small number of people fabulously wealthy and an increasingly large number of people barely able to survive. The problem of capitalism in its current form is that it excuses inhumane behaviour and suicidal policies on a global scale in the name of short term profit. If you want to simp that, go ahead but I’ll call out bs when I see it.
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I don't have to, you are the one claiming the earth does not revolve around the sun, the onus is on you to prove the historical examples where collective farming worked in a country as large as America or modest sized countries, and detail the economic reasons those examples worked, because a simple reading of history is littered with collective farming failures, where attempts to alter traditional methods of farming to the collective have resulted in millions of people starving to death.

As far as your capitalism screed, filled with empty rhetoric, no facts, nice buzzwords but without any evidence and statistics, it is just empty noise.

And once again you are aware that we are living in a time when the greatest percentage of people are not living in poverty, I hope you realize that but judging by what you wrote it appears you are clueless on this front.

I wonder too, how did South Korea become such a rich country, all of those colonies they never owned.
 
compwiz1202 said:
I honestly might do that other than the bathroom thing as long as the extra time is OT pay to get ahead of these spiking prices
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There is OT pay or extra pay; your salary stays the same. If you were making $150k a year at ~40 hours per week, you are now getting paid $150k a year to work ~80 hours per week.
 
Red Oak said:
I bet the ones that stay, work hard and excel will get VERY RICH

I know - something hard to understand for those who are offended when it rains

And, who try to crap on everyone else’s success
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This is IF he can convince a bunch of deep pocketed advertisers to return to the platform and spend a fortune among all the hate speech etc. That’s a big IF.
 
xpxp2002 said:
Exactly. It has long since changed to a one-sided arrangement where the employer gets an unlimited amount of your time whenever they want it in exchange for not having to pay anything extra. Having worked salary exempt in this field for nearly 20 years, I've never seen a scenario where the employer didn't benefit greatly from salary exempt at the employee's expense.

Sure, they toss you 2 or 3 weeks of PTO, but they make sure they get it back and then some with endless upgrades that they only allow you to do in the dead of night after working a full day, or on weekends. They put you on-call and require you to literally be at their beck and call for free, even after you've put in your 10 or 12 hours all day and through the night. If you add up all the extra hours of work you do in a given year as a salary exempt employee, I guarantee you'll find that it more than outpaces the limited PTO bone you're thrown every year.

Instead of simply fairly paying an employee for their time and paying overtime as needed to compensate for unexpected or occasional extra work, the employee gets paid the same amount no matter how much work gets thrust upon them. Meanwhile, I've never had the reverse happen where I can just decide to not work and be paid for it without dipping into my limited PTO.

Salary exempt is a completely imbalanced, one-sided arrangement. And because all employers have figured out that it's a completely legal loophole, you can't simply "get another job" to escape it. They're all rigged the same way.
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I want that extra work to be reflected in my compensation either as variable compensation or part of my fixed package. Either way, I personally never work for “free”. It’s unreasonable for employers to expect one to bleed for the company and not compensate them. I wouldn’t stand for it.
 
xpxp2002 said:
Exactly. It has long since changed to a one-sided arrangement where the employer gets an unlimited amount of your time whenever they want it in exchange for not having to pay anything extra. Having worked salary exempt in this field for nearly 20 years, I've never seen a scenario where the employer didn't benefit greatly from salary exempt at the employee's expense.

Sure, they toss you 2 or 3 weeks of PTO, but they make sure they get it back and then some with endless upgrades that they only allow you to do in the dead of night after working a full day, or on weekends. They put you on-call and require you to literally be at their beck and call for free, even after you've put in your 10 or 12 hours all day and through the night. If you add up all the extra hours of work you do in a given year as a salary exempt employee, I guarantee you'll find that it more than outpaces the limited PTO bone you're thrown every year.

Instead of simply fairly paying an employee for their time and paying overtime as needed to compensate for unexpected or occasional extra work, the employee gets paid the same amount no matter how much work gets thrust upon them. Meanwhile, I've never had the reverse happen where I can just decide to not work and be paid for it without dipping into my limited PTO.

Salary exempt is a completely imbalanced, one-sided arrangement. And because all employers have figured out that it's a completely legal loophole, you can't simply "get another job" to escape it. They're all rigged the same way.
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I remember this one supervisor who complained that they would hound him to use his PTO, but every time he submitted a request "Denied: Not enough coverage" :(
 
zorinlynx said:
One thing that blew my mind about all this is that people were complaining about that. You have to be quite an ******* to be moderated on Twitter. I've gotten pretty worked up about stuff and they've never touched me.
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The complaint is mostly coming from political twitter where there are allegations that conservative viewpoints were being censored or shadow banned. It’s not something I ever experienced. My guess is it wasn’t/isn’t as rampant as some claim.
 
Rogifan said:
So basically if people whose views I don’t like are being shadow banned then yea! Twitter is a private company and can do whatever it wants. If it’s people I agree with then boo! Twitter is against free speech and the first amendment. Do I have that right?
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I think that depends if we are in an even hour or odd hour of the day, cause I don't even think Enron could repeat the policy five minutes after stating it.
 
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