Hundreds of Twitter Employees Leaving After Elon Musk's 'Extremely Hardcore' Work Demands

[Tigger11]

IF twitter is left with the dregs as you say...why is it running successfully with less people and twice the traffic?
The facts speak for themselves...he got rid of the fat....doesn't matter if you agree with how he did it. He did it in record time.These things usually take a couple years at a huge cost.

Its not running successfully, whole portions aren't working, or did you think that you could always post entire movies to Twitter? As for twice the traffic, its not running twice the traffic, though it is having way more outages then normal, and literally between the 250+ million he's paid so far in severance, the lawsuits, and the lack of personnel for entire groups is not a project going good, unless you are really delusional.
-Tig

 

[SlCKB0Y]

IF twitter is left with the dregs as you say...why is it running successfully with less people and twice the traffic?

You really don't understand how business continuity works do you? If you do something as traumatic as this to an organisation it doesn't immediately fail from a technology stand point. This will take some time to occur.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

why is it running successfully with less people and twice the traffic?

How do you know it is getting twice the traffic?

 

[jamezr]

just read what was written......It said it depends on the employment contact AND the country. The contract cannot contradict what is the law of that country. Thats what was

Its not running successfully, whole portions aren't working, or did you think that you could always post entire movies to Twitter? As for twice the traffic, its not running twice the traffic, though it is having way more outages then normal, and literally between the 250+ million he's paid so far in severance, the lawsuits, and the lack of personnel for entire groups is not a project going good, unless you are really delusional.
-Tig

oh so if there is some abuse of the rules then it is not running successfully? Then by your definition...nothing in the world is running successfully. Because there is always some loophole opened or some exploit that is found and abused. then wasn't this same thing happening before Musk bought them.
What he has paid in vererance is small compared to keeping non productive people on the payroll. Paying then to do 2 hours work a day for 8 hours pay and all the employee benefits as well. Lawsuits come with the territory of any takeover....it is part of doing business at that level.

 

[jamezr]

How do you know it is getting twice the traffic?

from the people inside of Twitter right now. How do you know they are not?
Do you have a twitter account?

 

[jamezr]

You really don't understand how business continuity works do you? If you do something as traumatic as this to an organisation it doesn't immediately fail from a technology stand point. This will take some time to occur.

no....again you make so many wrong assumptions. You really have no clue what you are talking about.
This was meant to shake everything up....this was all staged to change the business culture as quickly as possible.

Then do you really think Musk will not be able to attract top talent? really?
Are you still predicting doom and gloom for Twitter?
If everything you say and allude to is true....Twitter will fail and go bankrupt.

Again...care to go on record with any predictions?

 

[seek3r]

why is it running successfully with less people and twice the traffic?

because the people who have left were competant at their jobs so everything didn't immediately fall over. Some stuff has already started failing though. As I said earlier in this thread this is death by a thousand papercuts, not a smoking crater where servers used to be.

And you get more traffic + less advertisers actually means just very high cost, right? Bandwidth isnt free, and advertisers arent paying.

 

[darkpaw]

Well, Ego Musk really is a great business guy. I bet he'd go nuclear on anyone refusing to pay his invoices.

Twitter - the company - has a contract with the suppliers. If you book a flight, you agree to the terms and conditions of the airline. If Musk thinks he can break it because someone who had the authority to agree to the contract no longer works there, he's mistaken. I'd hope every company whose bills he's refusing to pay takes him and Twitter to court for breach of contract.

From: https://9to5mac.com/2022/11/23/typical-twitter-blue-subscriber/

Musk refuses to pay bills​

The same site also reports that Musk is instructing accounts staff not to pay bills amounting to hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps more.

Before Elon Musk bought Twitter last month, the company’s executives had racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars in travel invoices that the social media service planned to pay.
But once Mr. Musk took over the company, he refused to reimburse travel vendors for those bills, current and former Twitter employees said. Mr. Musk’s staff said the services were authorized by the company’s former management and not by him. His staff have since avoided the calls of the travel vendors, the people said.

Some suppliers owed millions of dollars have complained that invoices have not been paid. Corporate credit cards have also reportedly been cancelled.

Musk has also ordered staff to renegotiate contracts with everyone from Amazon to landlords of leased office space, reportedly discussing breaking leases following the loss of most staff.

EDIT: Wow, someone's angry because I pointed out how contracts work? The Cult of Musk is strong with this one.

 

[jamezr]

because the people who have left were competant at their jobs so everything didn't immediately fall over. Some stuff has already started failing though. As I said earlier in this thread this is death by a thousand papercuts, not a smoking crater where servers used to be.

And you get more traffic + less advertisers actually means just very high cost, right? Bandwidth isnt free, and advertisers arent paying.

That is all short term things you listed. Short term loss of labor...easily fixed....they are being replaced as NO ONE is irreplaceable. How do you know advertisers aren't paying? By all measures traffic has increased and almost doubled.
Advertisers are coming and will continue to reward places that will make them money.

I think it needs to be said here as there seems to be a lot of confusion as to how take over or buyouts happen.

Musk said publicly in April i believe that he was interested in buying Twitter.
Make no mistake here......before he said that publicly.....he had a team of people going over every aspect of what that would entail.
People at his level do not do these things haphazardly. He had lawyers going over employment contracts and existing labor costs versus the industry standards. By all standards twitter was over employed, overpaid and under productive
He had labor lawyers looking at labor costs and how to make changes.
Make no mistake he had investigators looking at people and talking to current employees to get inside information.
He had technology people looking at best case scenarios and worst case scenarios. Nothing is left to chance here.....
Lawyers looking at public filings...tax records...stocks. Probably already talked to other stockholders

i have no doubt him and his people have a plan for just about every scenario that comes up.

 

[Lihp8270]

That is all short term things you listed. Short term loss of labor...easily fixed....they are being replaced as NO ONE is irreplaceable. How do you know advertisers aren't paying? By all measures traffic has increased and almost doubled.
Advertisers are coming and will continue to reward places that will make them money.

I think it needs to be said here as there seems to be a lot of confusion as to how take over or buyouts happen.

Musk said publicly in April i believe that he was interested in buying Twitter.
Make no mistake here......before he said that publicly.....he had a team of people going over every aspect of what that would entail.
People at his level do not do these things haphazardly. He had lawyers going over employment contracts and existing labor costs versus the industry standards. By all standards twitter was over employed, overpaid and under productive
He had labor lawyers looking at labor costs and how to make changes.
Make no mistake he had investigators looking at people and talking to current employees to get inside information.
He had technology people looking at best case scenarios and worst case scenarios. Nothing is left to chance here.....
Lawyers looking at public filings...tax records...stocks. Probably already talked to other stockholders

i have no doubt him and his people have a plan for just about every scenario that comes up.

So he has planned this in such great detail.

Yet built a factory in a drought area and didn’t foresee there being a drought stopping construction?

 

[macsplusmacs]

That lasted long.

agreed, him losing 50% of his advertisers did not take long at all though.

also,

He's a liar. There was never any "agreement"

Musk breaks promise to form Twitter moderation panel, blames activists

Activists say they would never make such a deal with Musk.

arstechnica.com

 

[macsplusmacs]

I hope whatever replaces Twitter happens soon so Stephen King can tell the world to move on and tell Enron's 44 billion dollar bonfire of his vanity to take a hike.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595506091449757697

 

[Abazigal]

because the people who have left were competant at their jobs so everything didn't immediately fall over. Some stuff has already started failing though. As I said earlier in this thread this is death by a thousand papercuts, not a smoking crater where servers used to be.

And you get more traffic + less advertisers actually means just very high cost, right? Bandwidth isnt free, and advertisers arent paying.

The truth is likely somewhere in the middle. There likely will be some harm from so many people quitting twitter at such short notice, though the impact may not be so apparent right away.

But at the same time, we have to mindful that a lot of reporting we are seeing are coming from the very disgruntled employees who have just been laid off. There is likely strong incentive for them to over exaggerate the extent of their importance and make it sound like they are really all that indispensable.

No doubt Twitter is in a difficult position right now, but I believe that it is a lot more resilient than people give it credit for, and it will be good to take with a healthy dose of skepticism, and to be a lot more discerning of the doomsday reports that we see in the news over the next few weeks.

 

[SnappleRumors]

agreed, him losing 50% of his advertisers did not take long at all though.

also,

He's a liar. There was never any "agreement"

Musk breaks promise to form Twitter moderation panel, blames activists

Activists say they would never make such a deal with Musk.

arstechnica.com

Since I have no skin in the game I‘m ultimately not impacted by what happens to Twitter. Yet those rooting for Musk and Twitter to fail at the expense of the remaining employees is a testament they are more despicable than Musk.

I wonder what CBS learned in their 48 pause.

 

[macsplusmacs]

Since I have no skin in the game I‘m ultimately not impacted by what happens to Twitter. Yet those rooting for him and Twitter to fail at the expense of the remaining employees is a testament they are more despicable than him.

I wonder what CBS learned in their 48 pause.

He fired most of them. Not the “people”.

The remaining employees that have to stay due to work visas or financial reasons have my sympathy.

I'm really sorry that the Peotemikn CEO is finally being shown for the person he is.

All of twitters wounds are self-inflicted. By him.

44 billion dollars and all the jobs will be lost because of his arrogance.

He is welcoming back and promoting racists and antisemites.

One of the biggest tech failures in history is happening in real-time.

But sure. Let's go after the peanut gallery.



They are the meanest!

 

[macsplusmacs]

Daring Fireball brings up another angle of Enron's disaster.

Meanwhile, in ‘Free Speech’ Twitter Utopia

Link to: https://twitter.com/dmoren/status/1595490311513509900

daringfireball.net

 

[SnappleRumors]

The remaining employees that have to stay due to work visas or financial reasons have my sympathy.

But they’re expendable for schadenfreude.

44 billion dollars will be lost because of his arrogance.

Lost? It’s in circulation.

But sure. Let's go after the peanut gallery.

I don’t see you or anyone being in a peanut gallery. Especially since the reference‘s origin has a racist connotation. I’m sure you were just unaware and didn‘t intend it that way.

 

[jamezr]

I hope whatever replaces Twitter happens soon so Stephen King can tell the world to move on and tell Enron's 44 billion dollar bonfire of his vanity to take a hike.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595506091449757697

So you’re saying twitter is going to fail?
Really? Now we know there are so many bitter ex employees.

 

[bobcomer]

So you’re saying twitter is going to fail?
Really? Now we know there are so many bitter ex employees.

I don't know if they are, or not, but they will have to start doing a LOT better than now! The copyright issue with playing full movies is pretty serious, and that's just the first think I heard is broken.

In any case, if they allow hate / misinformation like it looks like they are going to do, I wont be using it, nor will I care whether it lives or dies.

 

[macsplusmacs]

$44 billion was spent already, and Enron could not burn thru some more for one more week to fire them?

What a turkey.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595701492006014977

To those that passed on the three-month severance to stay with your man-child hero (except work visa people) I guess you were not "hardcore" enough. Which was a rouse from the start of the course, you are there at his whim. He has no loyalty to you. You are just food for the grinder.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595704937228693506

 

[jamezr]

I don't know if they are, or not, but they will have to start doing a LOT better than now! The copyright issue with playing full movies is pretty serious, and that's just the first think I heard is broken.

In any case, if they allow hate / misinformation like it looks like they are going to do, I wont be using it, nor will I care whether it lives or dies.

Hopefully that get remediated soon! People should not be able to violate copyright laws.
I don't see hate and misinformation anymore than any other social media site. Then if you see that stuff...report it.

 

[jamezr]

I don't know if they are, or not, but they will have to start doing a LOT better than now! The copyright issue with playing full movies is pretty serious, and that's just the first think I heard is broken.

In any case, if they allow hate / misinformation like it looks like they are going to do, I wont be using it, nor will I care whether it lives or dies.

Oh then we get the rest of the story.....
So there was an exploit that was fixed...

then let's level set here...these were 49 2 minute clips. Who would want to watch that?
Then do you know what kind of effort it would take to stitch together 49 2 minute clips of a movie? Do you know the software and processing time it would take to do that?

 

[cyb3rdud3]

I don't know if they are, or not, but they will have to start doing a LOT better than now! The copyright issue with playing full movies is pretty serious, and that's just the first think I heard is broken.

I'm seeing intermittent issues with media blobs being served, often many posts just don't have the visuals just the text.

In any case, if they allow hate / misinformation like it looks like they are going to do, I wont be using it, nor will I care whether it lives or dies.

Exactly; allowing Trump and Ye back 🤦‍♂️ And those are just two high profile ones. A very silly mistake. No sane advertiser would want to be associated or have their products/services placed next to those two.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

$44 billion was spent already, and Enron could not burn thru some more for one more week to fire them?

What a turkey.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595701492006014977

To those that passed on the three-month severance to stay with your man-child hero (except work visa people) I guess you were not "hardcore" enough. Which was a rouse from the start of the course, you are there at his whim. He has no loyalty to you. You are just food for the grinder.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595704937228693506

I honestly don't know why anyone remotely good at their job would chose to work in such an environment. Nope, no thank you. a) I only work with people not for them, and b) never with anyone who treat others like that, and c) code examples via email? Why so low tech, just look in the code repository. Is also way more efficient and dry...

 

[montuori]

Then do you know what kind of effort it would take to stitch together 49 2 minute clips of a movie? Do you know the software and processing time it would take to do that?

Yes. One shell script, 10 minutes.