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I applaud you for taking your own time to track down the rightful owner, more people need to think like you.

Now, some people aren't going to like this suggestion I'm about to tell you, but it only seems fair. I would put this phone on Craigslist and make it clear that it has an iCloud lock on it. Try to sell it at a lower value than you paid so you can somewhat recoup what you paid into the phone. Most people won't be interested, but someone will probably buy it thinking they can unlock it, more power to them.

I would never suggest this normally, but it sounds to me like you have done everything possible to make the situation right and then some. Good luck, you deserve it.

What on earth is fair about taking someone's possibly stolen phone and selling it to someone else, even if they are dumb enough to think they may be able to unlock it?

Yes, OP has gone above and beyond trying to make things right. Doing something like this certainly would negate all of that effort. Selling something you are pretty sure is stolen is just plain wrong.
 
Backstory, Skip if You Like: I am a college student that was buying a new iPhone 5s. Last Thursday, I bought a, unbeknownst to me, stolen iPhone from a guy off craigslist. Before I went, I check a bunch of websites to ensure that it wasn't stolen. I even went to AT&T to ensure that the IMEI wasn't blacklisted and I spent probably 30 minutes just researching to see if it was stolen. Everything came back clear. I went back to my dorm to get it activated with my SIM and to start enjoying the phone. I start the process and I come to iCloud Activation Lock, which is impossible to completely get past nor do I want a stolen iPhone. After I found out that it was stolen, I saw that iCould provided a number to call. I thought, "Great, I may have been scammed, but maybe I can get a person their phone back". I called the number and it went to a voicemail box that wasn't set up so I couldn't leave a message. I called four times with about an hour between each call. I decided that maybe I can go to AT&T and give them the IMEI and then they can call the account holder, which I did the next day. I went over and they couldn't pull up any information off the IMEI, so I gave up on that. I went back to my dorms and looked at a few videos that showed you could bypass the iCloud lock and then get the email address that it was locked to. I tried this for about an hour with no luck because the iPhone is on 8.0.2. But during this time, I decided to just plug it into iExplorer, which on a normal iPhone lets you see contacts. I thought that maybe there would be a contact named "Mom" or "Dad" and then I could call that number. Well, that didn't work because the phone was wiped, but I got the phone number that was tied with the ICCID/ iPhone. I decided to call that number because if the previous owner might have gotten a new phone and the number would go to that phone. I called and it went straight to voicemail, which I think means the owner hasn't gotten a new phone yet. Well, great, no progress. But, I had the idea that I could go to the AT&T store, give them that number, and they could call the account holder's, which they did. They got a voicemail box and left a message. So, at this point, I was ready to give up and just return it to the police, but I talked to my parents first. They told me that I had focused a lot of my energy on contacting the old owner, but that person may not want the phone anymore or may have already got her insurance money.

So here is my question: Is there anyway that I can legally own this phone or get my money back out of the phone? My mother suggested that I turn it over to the police and if it goes unclaimed that I could ask them to contact me before an unclaimed property action and they may give it back and write me a recipe that states it is my property. With this recipe, I could go to Apple and have they unlock it. My father suggested that I send a certified letter to the address on file with AT&T (I would write the letter and have them mail it after I paid for the postage so that I never get the customer's information). Then I would wait thirty days after confirmed delivery and then call the phone mine. Ultimately, I need to prove the phone is mine for Apple to possibly disable Activation Lock.
Any suggestions would be great. I would just like to get my money back out of the phone or have a working phone because I have tried really hard to return the phone to the owner.

TL;DR: I bought an iPhone and have been trying to return the phone with no luck. I am a college student and would like to get my money back or have a working phone in some legal way. I need some suggestions on what I could do. Thank you for your time.

sorry..but that's really your fault there...you knew the risk from craiglist.
 
What on earth is fair about taking someone's possibly stolen phone and selling it to someone else, even if they are dumb enough to think they may be able to unlock it?

Yes, OP has gone above and beyond trying to make things right. Doing something like this certainly would negate all of that effort. Selling something you are pretty sure is stolen is just plain wrong.

I disagree, provided that the true owner is unreachable or wants nothing to do with the phone now (which seems to be the case, if what the OP says is true).

Hell, if I were the true owner of the phone, I'd probably be willing to unlock it for an innocent third party if I've already received a replacement via insurance claim, if the third party reimbursed the deductible.

The best alternative is probably what someone suggested earlier: find an equivalent, but busted phone on ebay and hope that the motherboard still works, and put it in this phone (and also hope that it isn't locked).
 
Fist of all I sympathize with you. The problem here is you did not do enough due diligence. Checking Imei has nothing to do with activation lock at all. You shoud have



1. Checked to see that find my iphone was off

2. Connected the phone to a wifi network to make sure wifi worked

3. Placed a test call with the phone to ensure speakers, mic etc worked

4. Used data on the phone to make sure data was working

5. Tested the maps application to makes sure gps is working

6. Checked to see if the gb matched what was advertised



Had you done any of these you would not have bought that phone.


This is a good checklist. I haven't ever bought a used phone, but I'm bookmarking this in case I ever need it.
 
I didn't read all the discussions so maybe this was discussed, but what about intentionally causing severe water damage and getting a OOW replacement? It'll cost money, but should be cheaper than a new one.
 
My advice is that if you're ever buying a phone from anything other than a reputable retailer, use ebay. The reason I say this is because ebay and paypal have protections in place that heavily favor the buyer. In fact, they favor the buyer so heavily that if I ever were to sell a phone, I'd never use ebay because I could send it in good faith and paypal may still side with a buyer who was complaining.
 
I didn't read all the discussions so maybe this was discussed, but what about intentionally causing severe water damage and getting a OOW replacement? It'll cost money, but should be cheaper than a new one.
Nope won't work. Apple can pull the serial number off the device and that will tell them if it's FMIP locked and if they can't then your device is ineligible for the replacement program.
 
Whoever suggested buying a broken phone off eBay with a working motherboard and swapping it out with the locked one is a genius!

(OP unknowingly will buy another locked motherboard :D)
 
I think that Apple could stop iphone theft very easily and they don't care, also they could build something to make it easier to find your iphone

Really not much Apple can do other than what they've already done as long as we're allowed to ebay activation-locked iPhones and people pay top dollars for them.
 
Fist of all I sympathize with you. The problem here is you did not do enough due diligence. Checking Imei has nothing to do with activation lock at all. You shoud have

1. Checked to see that find my iphone was off
2. Connected the phone to a wifi network to make sure wifi worked
3. Placed a test call with the phone to ensure speakers, mic etc worked
4. Used data on the phone to make sure data was working
5. Tested the maps application to makes sure gps is working
6. Checked to see if the gb matched what was advertised

Had you done any of these you would not have bought that phone.

all this in a Starbucks parking lot? ok.......
 
So you think they would risk their career over a (last gen) iPhone? :rolleyes:

risk their jobs?

don't cops investigate cops?

so you think a cop will turn in one of their own and risk being the "rat"?

maybe if they were some child molester or rapist some vulgar ciminal buy they would no way turn in one of their own for a 5s that was already stolen once
 
I am not here to tell you what is good or wrong, I think that Apple could stop iphone theft very easily and they don't care, also they could build something to make it easier to find your iphone


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Isn't this actually a good example of how a stolen iPhone becomes worthless? Obviously it also demonstrates the risk in buying a second-hand iPhone.

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And to the people or person on here implying that all cops are corrupt jerks: Are you suggesting that a police officer taking a report from a person who has bought an iPhone that is for all intents and purposes useless would then steal the worthless iPhone to use as a paper weight or something? Yes, corruption exists. But if I'm risking my career and possibly my freedom I'm doing that for a large bag of cash or diamonds, not an iPhone that I could never use.
 
i havent read everything but why does it have to be stolen? maybe the person he bought it from just didnt think of the activation lock when he sold it. that nearly happened to my uncle the other day when he had to return his iphone to his former workplace. i had to remind him to disable the lock too
 
i havent read everything but why does it have to be stolen? maybe the person he bought it from just didnt think of the activation lock when he sold it. that nearly happened to my uncle the other day when he had to return his iphone to his former workplace. i had to remind him to disable the lock too

I asked this same question many many posts ago, but never received any response.
 
What is so stupid.

Police are nothing but union employee providing police services badly!

I have little to no respect for them as they are like the rest of our government and are more self serving and very arrogant! They forgot that they work for us!

I'm a retired officer, and I have never been so insulted by your lame every cop is bad remarks, and I wonder if you ever needed assistance, who would you call... buddy ?

There are good and bad in every profession, and including yours.

PS: My department was not Unionized, and I never believed in Union strikes either.
 
I don't know what you did in 30 minutes. Expensive lesson learned. Next time, you could come up in and ask how to buy a used phone before you purchase. I have seen a lot people come up here and asked for help. Nothing is wrong with that but things have been done and there's nothing much we could do.
 
...I bought a...stolen iPhone...Is there anyway that I can legally own this phone...?
Is this a serious question?

California Penal Code Section 496:

"Every person who buys or receives any property that has been stolen or that has been obtained in any manner constituting theft or extortion, knowing the property to be so stolen or obtained, or who conceals, sells, withholds, or aids in concealing, selling, or withholding any property from the owner, knowing the property to be so stolen or obtained, shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail...."

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/PEN/3/1/13/5/s496
 
I asked this same question many many posts ago, but never received any response.

Yeah, I'm still unclear why the OP (who hasn't checked back in on this thread, apparently) jumped to the conclusion that it's stolen. It may be (and he certainly should've looked into that ahead of time), but it might also be that the person he bought it from forgot to turn off "Find My iPhone" before selling. I just find it bizarre that he spent hours trying to contact the person he assumes the phone was stolen from without (apparently) at least trying to contact the person he bought it from.
 
You wont get your money back :[ and the phone will not legally be yours.

What I did was take it to the AT&T store, and they managed to track the purchaser based on the serial number. AT&T cant give any of that information, but what they did do was call the owner of the iPhone so we could meet up.

Now, again legally the phone is theirs, what we ended up doing is calling the police to write out a report and press charges on the guy that sold it to me. The cops made me give them the phone, as they had to pay for the replacement. But the guy's grandmother told me, if they can call AT&T and get the replacement cost waved, they would unlock the phone and give it to me to keep.

Luckily AT&T waved the fee, and they gave me the phone to keep. And I bought them drinks as a thank you.

It will solely depend on the original owner and what they want to do.
Thats literally a perfect case scenario....lol
 
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