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Some tips (I've recently sold an iPad Air, iPad mini, iPhone 5S, Nexus 5 and 7...) Use Cragislist and do a face-to-face meetup / cash deal. That way everything is clear and in the open and there are no disputes.

Never accept it if people ask you to send them your PayPal e-mail, what they'll do is try to fake payment by sending you a fake PayPal e-mail. You may not fall for it, but ultimately you'll still waste a lot of time because of scammers.
 
I hear ya, thanks for the words. I'm trying not to let it get to me, at least until I receive the iPad again.

In a way, eBay is doing you a very small favor, because you can look at this guy's feed back and there's objective confirmation that the guy's got problems. That doesn't make it less annoying (and worse), but it does underline the fact that, whatever happens, it really is the other guy.

Focus on what's important. :) Family, holiday, friends. You have lots of reasons to feel good about what's going on in your life, other than this guy. The worst thing to do is let him spill his bad karma over into the rest of life. :cool:
 
Sorry, it was 45 days, they recently changed it.

The thing that is just plain outrageous about that is this: what MERCHANT that is in the BUSINESS of selling things gives you 180 days to return something? Why should I have to guarantee something for six months? Even 45 days was too long. if the problem is evident in 14 days, or 30 at the absolute outside, please don't think you can return the thing to me. :mad:
 
OP: While it's of little solace, like some others, I've stopped using eBay for selling.

The last, literally, item I tried to sell went like this;

1. Buyer in CA responded to the buy it now price. First hint.
2. Their address was in an industrial area in central CA. Second hint.
3. They claimed they were being stationed overseas soon and would I ship the device there. Third hint.

I refused.

They threatened all kinds of eBay-related blackmail. I still refused.

After a prolonged debate/argument with eBay. I decided I was done with eBay.

I sold the device to one of the buyitnow sites for used phones.

I also had an incident where the buyer claimed what I sold was not as advertised, which was a lie.

I will continue buying from eBay stores, but I won't be selling anything via eBay.
 
The OP's story is the reason why I have never sold anything on Ebay. As a buyer i've also gotten burned with several transactions where the item was pulled because either the seller was scamming other "buy it now" individuals or the sellers account was shutdown even AFTER I already made a payment.

The last one is the one that really got under my skin where the sellers account was closed and Ebay told me to wait so many days to see if the item would arrive or the seller would return my messages. I had to notify Ebay that the seller NO longer exist so i'm not confident of ever seeing the item.

So it's not just the sellers but the buyers who are at risk. I now ONLY buy from top sellers with a track record.
 
The OP's story is the reason why I have never sold anything on Ebay. As a buyer i've also gotten burned with several transactions where the item was pulled because either the seller was scamming other "buy it now" individuals or the sellers account was shutdown even AFTER I already made a payment.

The last one is the one that really got under my skin where the sellers account was closed and Ebay told me to wait so many days to see if the item would arrive or the seller would return my messages. I had to notify Ebay that the seller NO longer exist so i'm not confident of ever seeing the item.

So it's not just the sellers but the buyers who are at risk. I now ONLY buy from top sellers with a track record.


Over 700 sales and purchases and no problems. I do sell and buy only USA members and if they have less than perfect feedback or their emails get crazy, I cancel their bid and ban their ID from ever bidding on my items.
 
There's a site that offers a flat out $45 for almost all Iphones (modern ones... IIRC you'll probably only get $15 for an Iph1). Low ball, but the process is very streamlined and much less stress and hassle.

OP: While it's of little solace, like some others, I've stopped using eBay for selling.

The last, literally, item I tried to sell went like this;

1. Buyer in CA responded to the buy it now price. First hint.
2. Their address was in an industrial area in central CA. Second hint.
3. They claimed they were being stationed overseas soon and would I ship the device there. Third hint.

I refused.

They threatened all kinds of eBay-related blackmail. I still refused.

After a prolonged debate/argument with eBay. I decided I was done with eBay.

I sold the device to one of the buyitnow sites for used phones.

I also had an incident where the buyer claimed what I sold was not as advertised, which was a lie.

I will continue buying from eBay stores, but I won't be selling anything via eBay.
Yeah, then you have cases where you state clearly that you won't sell to [list of countries]. A buyer in OH wins the bid, but then asks if you can instead send it one of those countries you prohibited.

Ebay used to be a great place to sell electronics. Now, it's gotten popular that it has attracted scammers.
 
When people become sellers on Ebay, they soon learn to take precautions against potential scammers. They record all serials numbers on all parts if they got nerves for it and a way to retrieve it effectively when someone tries to cross them. They mark the components with UV light and take pictures of it. They put warranty void stickers in various places. They put warnings in their listings that they are taking these precautions and that scammers will be reported

I'm a small-time private seller on Ebay and I mostly sell Mac parts here in Europe and rarely other stuff. Buyers can sometimes become difficult

It's very easy to scam a seller on Ebay who doesn't have much experience (not saying I ever did that and I condemn such act), since he most likely didn't take any of these precautions and just thought that he would sell his device without any hassle. In the end, It turns out to be completely opposite situation
 
Don't sell anything on eBay over $100. I never do. Far too risky. Anything over $100 is sold on Craigslist and I use a Google Phone Number and meet at a local super market.
 
That is ridiculous, eBay is completely broken.

I didn't know many people used FleaBay any longer. As I've said so many times here, Ebay was awesome during it's startup in the middle to late 90's. Now it's just a vast wasteland for scammers, digital thieves, and desperado's looking to make a buck.

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OP: While it's of little solace, like some others, I've stopped using eBay for selling.

The last, literally, item I tried to sell went like this;

1. Buyer in CA responded to the buy it now price. First hint.
2. Their address was in an industrial area in central CA. Second hint.
3. They claimed they were being stationed overseas soon and would I ship the device there. Third hint.

I refused.

They threatened all kinds of eBay-related blackmail. I still refused.

After a prolonged debate/argument with eBay. I decided I was done with eBay.

I sold the device to one of the buyitnow sites for used phones.

I also had an incident where the buyer claimed what I sold was not as advertised, which was a lie.

I will continue buying from eBay stores, but I won't be selling anything via eBay.

I hear you DannyM. The last straw for me was the selling of a video camera. The buyer claimed it did not work and sent it back to me. Of course the serial numbers did not match with what I sent him. I contacted PayPal and they were altogether useless and sided with the buyer - and refunded his money. Buyer got to keep the working camera and got his money back all in one swipe. That was it for me. Don't need that kind of crap.
 
Sorry to hear about your problems.

I have been on EBay since March of 98 and use to sell my extra die cast, cameras, old toys during the Summer when I was in my Semester break. Back then the issue was zero feedback bidders not paying, or just others asking realy dumb, irrelevant questions. But for the most part it was a fun experience with little trouble. Not any more.

I occasionally buy and sell on EBay and when I do I have to be so careful and specific. My auctions are no returns, sale is final, free shipping, and plenty of pictures of the product. Even with Ebays new international shipping to a U.S. address they handle, I never use it. Only PayPal.

There are many good buyers and sellers on EBay, it is just the few idiots who take a simple sale and turn it into a nightmare.

I hope it turns out ok for you. Situations like this make me think twice about using eBay as other posters had mentioned.
 
I'm sorry you're having the trouble.

After reading how people return things to Apple I've decided to never sell an iPad or iPhone on eBay.
 
I was going to list my PS4 20th Anniversary Edition on Ebay today, but with all this talk on this thread, I'm having second thoughts...
 
I was going to list my PS4 20th Anniversary Edition on Ebay today, but with all this talk on this thread, I'm having second thoughts...

Wise choice and I would have second, third, fourth etc thoughts before I put it on Ebay. I can see a scammer sending back a black PS4 and claiming you tried to pull a fast one on the buyer.
 
That is ridiculous, eBay is completely broken.

My son had used eBay many times and then he got scammed and banned. As far as I am concerned I never have nor will use eBay. The total one sided way disputes are handled, and now the 180 day return policy tells me eBay is set up with scamming in mind.

Between their cut, PayPal cut and the Numerous sad stories, anyone using eBay today is a fool waiting to be taken. Save yourselves the hassle and greef. Use things like Next, return rebates, or reputable used buy back services. Yes you may not get the top dollar, but you get reasonable money without the hassles.

When I bought my Plus in September I wanted to sell my one year old 5s. I had a $300 return rebate with AT&T but tried to get a bit more by selling to people at work that want'ed to sell or give to third party. I was up front that I would not go below 350 with remainder of Apple+ warrantee.

The party said no to Apple+, mistake on their part as still had the two phone replacements for $79 each. So OK no Apple+, got refund from Apple for $50 that done. Now told em $300 is lowest I would take as I can turn into ATT for that. They wanted it for $250? Are people stupid or they think I am lying?

End result, took it to ATT 10 minute turn in. Just check that screen not cracked and it turns on. That's it, got $300 and said good buy to the 5s. In future I go with Next program, pay 2/3rd of full price. 12 of 18 payments, no interest, turn in and get latest phone. No hassles, easy peasy. Maybe not best price I could get but my time and peace of mind also have value to me.

Good luck to all eBayscam users.
 
Over 700 sales and purchases and no problems. I do sell and buy only USA members and if they have less than perfect feedback or their emails get crazy, I cancel their bid and ban their ID from ever bidding on my items.

I also usually block bidders who email me with crazy lowball offers. I have been scammed by a person who bought something in bad faith then demanded a partial refund (and refused to return the item for a full refund...yes I would have sunk a bunch of time into resolution with eBay, but...).
 
Hoping for he best for you, OP. This is why I never sell on eBay anymore.

There's lowballers on CL but I'd rather take a little less cash face to face than deal with this BS.

Wishing you luck.
 
Basically, what you need to do now is withdraw all funds and drop your bank account and all cards from paypal first...you can add them back later if you want. You should have the device serial number and if not written down, check your apple's devices pages. Then have him send it back...check it out because they may just wanted to return it, they may not ship it back...make sure they add tracking, or they could swap it out for parts...you should notice this. Make sure it is insured as well.

You can't consider it a scam until after the return is executed...if you don't get the device back, that's the first part...that's where insurance will help you. If something else comes back or an empty box, that's where the difficulty begins.

From here, you can either eat the loss, or fight this. The first step of fighting it is SUBMITTING A POLICE REPORT of theft and fraud (include all buyer information such as address, name, phone, and email for history reporting). You can also report the fraud to the FBI as that is their field directly. If it is in the US, this makes it easy. When that is done, submit a copy of the police report (and FBI fraud report if they actually give you something) to Ebay. All all the details from the beginning here...if they choose to side with you, here is where they might.

Now eBay will probably still side with the buyer despite "seller protection" so they will tie the cost of the return to your account and it will go negative at this point. This leaves you with the option of either paying it to zero or never using the account again. Here, you'll need to do your research via google to decide what you will do. In short, eBay cannot file a credit penalty on you, but they can submit a collection agency after you.

You can finally win this credit agency battle at this point. Do some googling. You essentially will ask the credit agency to provide the written evidence provided BY LAW. Timing is everything...making it drag out...again, research this. The collection agency cannot collect until this is provided...they will go back to eBay and request this...ebay already takes too long at this in the first place and will submit it outside of the collection agency's deadline and the credit will fall to eBay at this time and you'll be in the clear. They will probably not allow you to use paypal again so you will be at a loss there. When I say again, I mean until the statute of limitations expires on this which I guess is 7 years.

eBay recently changed the timeframe to contest to 1 year so I expect a class action will eventually force them to prevent fraud. I hope this advice helps.

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That is ridiculous, eBay is completely broken.

Read my post...it should help you out.
 
If you know the iPad was 100% when you sold it to this person then don't worry about it just advise the buyer to go to his closet Apple store and they will sort the iPad out for them.

I would also cancel your Ebay account and start another account later.

In New Zealand if you sell something on line and you are not a trader or have a business selling products on eBay then it's buyer who has to be careful as they have no warranties or legal support.

I sell all my old Apple products to people I know this way I can help them if they have any problems.
 
My son had used eBay many times and then he got scammed and banned. As far as I am concerned I never have nor will use eBay. The total one sided way disputes are handled, and now the 180 day return policy tells me eBay is set up with scamming in mind.

Between their cut, PayPal cut and the Numerous sad stories, anyone using eBay today is a fool waiting to be taken. Save yourselves the hassle and greef. Use things like Next, return rebates, or reputable used buy back services. Yes you may not get the top dollar, but you get reasonable money without the hassles.

When I bought my Plus in September I wanted to sell my one year old 5s. I had a $300 return rebate with AT&T but tried to get a bit more by selling to people at work that want'ed to sell or give to third party. I was up front that I would not go below 350 with remainder of Apple+ warrantee.

The party said no to Apple+, mistake on their part as still had the two phone replacements for $79 each. So OK no Apple+, got refund from Apple for $50 that done. Now told em $300 is lowest I would take as I can turn into ATT for that. They wanted it for $250? Are people stupid or they think I am lying?

End result, took it to ATT 10 minute turn in. Just check that screen not cracked and it turns on. That's it, got $300 and said good buy to the 5s. In future I go with Next program, pay 2/3rd of full price. 12 of 18 payments, no interest, turn in and get latest phone. No hassles, easy peasy. Maybe not best price I could get but my time and peace of mind also have value to me.

Good luck to all eBayscam users.

I honestly don't know what you are describing. If you had "Make Offer" selected on your listing then you are negotiating with the buyer. Cant reach a price, you move on. Seems to me you were negotiating via messages which is a mistake.

The seller sets the return policy and that has a maximum time of 30 days. Buyers can dispute up to 45 days.

I agree with all here that the dispute period is too long. Its basically a mandatory return policy even though you have have said no to returns. There are not real enforcement rules and the buyer is just assumed to be right in all cases by eBay.

I think all disputes should be made within 7 days of delivery or 14 days of shipment.

I have sold many hi ticket items and take all the precautions mentioned in this thread.
 
I sell all the time on eBay, have had a couple small issues where buyer sent something back because they didn't pay attention to the listing. This is when I stopped offering free shipping. Because I allow returns but not on new items and I don't cover shipping costs. The return period is dumb though. I have had good transactions as well.

I sold a core i7 4790. The guy said it over heated after a week. And that he didn't need it because of that. Talked to him and he ended up sending it to Intel and set it up for me to recieve the replacement. I gave him an extra 10 dollars in refund.
 
I honestly don't know what you are describing. If you had "Make Offer" selected on your listing then you are negotiating with the buyer. Cant reach a price, you move on. Seems to me you were negotiating via messages which is a mistake.

Dah ?.. Did you read what I wrote? Where did I say I used eBay? The negotiations were live, in person. Not via messages. I could'nt care less what something seems like to you.

I'm done with taking risks with eBay as I stated in first paragraph. I related how even selling to someone I work with proved to be a hassle.
 
If you know the iPad was 100% when you sold it to this person then don't worry about it just advise the buyer to go to his closet Apple store and they will sort the iPad out for them.

I would also cancel your Ebay account and start another account later.

In New Zealand if you sell something on line and you are not a trader or have a business selling products on eBay then it's buyer who has to be careful as they have no warranties or legal support.

I sell all my old Apple products to people I know this way I can help them if they have any problems.

It's like you don't understand the thread at all. Buyers try to scam sellers on eBay and eBay allows it. THAT'S the whole point of this thread.
 
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