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Mini is already updated. There will just more likely be a BTO upgrade for the Pro. Or maybe nothing will happen. They said themselves the Mac Pro is next and last. No hidden 27” iMac. Again things could change in a few years.
Check the link I provided. USB input devices are probed via USB with certain interval (hence latency). PS/2 events interrupt CPU execution directly when the event occurs, hence better latency. I am not a gamer, so I can't say how much advantage this gives the player. It probably will depend on a game and player reaction.
If that orange DIN socket is PS2 it's an oddity, and if it were, it would have 2 normally. (mouse and Keyboard) Never going to know what gamers think is important I guess. We haven't bought a PC with a PS2 connector in it for well over 10 years, maybe longer.
It's when you can't see the buttons at all that's the real problem.
Of course, the iMac already transitioned to the "Mac lineup with Apple Silicon" (I'm typing on one). Which leaves the Mac Pro as the only Mac without Apple Silicon. But that doesn't mean we're forever fixed on the current screen sizes. What about the rumored 15" MacBook Air. Do you believe it will never come, because he said "only one more product" to go?
Yes. The Mac Pro as a distinct Mac is left to go.
The iMac as a product line has transitioned, but that has nothing to do with different sized iMacs. If Apple can release the heavily rumored larger MacBook Air even though the 13" Air has already transitioned, then Apple can release a larger iMac even though the 24" iMac has already transitioned.
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People are talking about the 27" iMac, even the OP. But I still highly doubt we will see a larger iMac.
iMac 27" is a different design and different product than the 24" one. And as was posted a couple posts earlier, there are references to a 32" one which would be even more different.
Apple probably lost some die hard 27" iMac users due to this. You would think if they had anything planned they would have said so other than "one left to update - Mac Pro". They would have said "A larger iMac and a Mac Pro are left to update". Some people posted on this forum that they are done with Apple since there is no longer a 27" iMac.
We don’t know what the larger one will look like but that’s not the point; the iMac produc5 line has an M1 version, therefore Apple considers it to be transitioned. Apple can release a larger iMac in the same way they can release a larger MacBook Air.
Would they abandon their 27" iMac users by discounting it without a word of a replacement? No. Instead they told us Mac Studio and Studio Display is the new 27" iMac. I don't think we will see a larger iMac.
There was a nasty bug in XP where the taskbar would just... lock up... for several seconds. Was fixed in SP1. But it was seriously annoying for... 9 months - I built my XP box at Christmas 2001, and SP1 came out early Sept. 2002.
Not as bad as a data loss bug, though, I suppose... but it always made me laugh when people hold out XP as the world's greatest Windows OS. It wasn't that way before SP1, that's for sure...
(Also, Vista liked to blue screen when I first installed it. But after I went back to XP... surprise, it was blue-screening when playing games too. Turns out my graphics card was bad, at least when anything more demanding than XP's 2D desktop. Replaced it, and boom, no blue screens in either Vista or XP gaming. My general experience has been that MOST stability problems on NT-family OSes is caused by bad hardware.)
Not sure I would agree. I have a 10th-gen 6-core i5 iMac with all the specs you mentioned (except I bought it with 16GB of RAM... and then upgraded it first to 64GB and now to 128GB. Web browsers love being fed their RAM...), 10G Ethernet (a bit of future-proofing in the event that home-grade 10GbE switches ever become a possibility). It is an absolutely great machine. Was quite great with 16GB of RAM too. And that machine cost me $1850 CAD as a refurb - $150CAD less than a Studio Display.
Funny thing, I never considered buying one before the Mac Studio came out. Always wanted a Mac desktop with a retina screen. Looked at the pricing, was like, "well, I really should get myself at least an i7, is 512GB of SSD enough, oh, and there's that GPU upgrade, the keyboard with a numeric keyboard, etc" and it always came out to $4000CAD. So I held off especially with the rumours of Apple silicon growing. Then Mac Studio comes out, the price tag skyrockets (my dream 27" Intel iMac would have been $4000ish CAD, my dream Mac Studio is at least $1500 more), etc. Then I figured, well you know what, rather than get my dream Mac that I'll keep for 7 years, why not get something 'good enough' that will serve me until the end of macOS Intel support (and hopefully a newer/fancier/etc retina monitor)? And it's been absolutely fantastic! Despite 256 gigs of storage (would have preferred 512, but there weren't any with 10GbE on the refurb store the day I saw this model), the basic Magic Keyboard without the numeric keypad (this is supposed to be a value project... so... no, not spending $169CAD on a separate keyboard), the i5, etc.
Is it a gaming beast? Probably not... and with only 256 gigs of SSD, I don't really want to try. Am I going to run 20 VMs in Parallels? Well, I have the RAM for it... but not the storage, unless I run the VMs from my NAS I guess. (Then again, I can't run any VMs with any useful guests on Apple silicon) But for random productivity tasks, watching videos, etc it's great - if I had to go and live in a dorm room for six months with only one computer, I would probably take it and leave my M1 Max MBP and big-somewhat-dated Windows desktop behind.
Maybe, maybe I would have been happyish with an M1 Mac mini and a studio display. Not sure how it would compare, except for the absurdly low RAM limitations. Would certainly have cost $1500CAD more (though okay, some of that is the refurb savings). But this iMac, for a cheap impulse refurb purchase, has been utterly wonderful.
(Oh, and one other thing - when you are thinking about pricing, don't forget that iMacs come with basic Apple wireless keyboards and a magic mouse. If you custom-ordered one, you could upgrade to the extended keyboard, the magic trackpad, etc by paying the difference. Mac Studios come with nothing, so add like $240 CAD just to match the iMac's included input peripherals.)
Not sure if you find this affordable, but I was in the same boat. And I just purchased two of these. They are great!
Switch Flex XG
A compact, five-port, Layer 2 switch that supports 10GbE speeds and can be powered with PoE or a 5V USB-C adapter*. Features: (1) GbE, PoE+ RJ45 input (4) 10GbE RJ45 ports Managed with the UniFi Network application: Version 6.1.67 and later *Only single-unit packages include the 5V, 5A...
I've heard of these, but... 5 ports? One port for the NAT router, one for the NAS, one downlink for the switch with the slower devices, one for the iMac, that's... already four ports used up without even going shopping for a 2.5 or 10 gigabit card for any of my Windows machines or other things?! And that topology would create big bottlenecks unless the switch with the slower devices had a 10GbE port for uplink...Not sure if you find this affordable, but I was in the same boat. And I just purchased two of these. They are great!
Switch Flex XG
A compact, five-port, Layer 2 switch that supports 10GbE speeds and can be powered with PoE or a 5V USB-C adapter*. Features: (1) GbE, PoE+ RJ45 input (4) 10GbE RJ45 ports Managed with the UniFi Network application: Version 6.1.67 and later *Only single-unit packages include the 5V, 5A...store.ui.com
Ubiquiti has a lovely, lovely 24-port copper NBASET/10GBASET switch that would be absolutely perrrrrfect, but 1) active cooling is scary for a home office, and 2) Isn't it $1299? Forget if that's CAD or USD.
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I offered a solution. Sorry for trying to help. I have 5 devices connected to two of these, all with 10GbE. If you need a 24 10GbE port, I think you are doing a bit more than "home networking".
Nah. Apple never foreshadows unannounced products... and why would they, it's bad business. There are some people who will happily hand over their credit card for a Mac Studio and a Studio display the day of that announcement who would think twice, or wait, if you told them that a larger iMac would be coming.
(Saying that the Mac Pro is left to be updated to Apple Silicon isn't really anything other than stating the obvious. And are they really losing material numbers of Mac Studio sales by suggesting to people wanting high end Mac Studios that a Mac Pro is coming? )
Same thing with, say, suggesting a 15" MacBook Air - if you suggest that there will be one of those in 6 months with a 24GB RAM configuration, some people who might spend $1000 more grumblingly on a 16" M1 Pro MBP today... will just say that they'll wait for a cheaper product.
So Apple loses three things:
1) They lose the revenue now, in favour of potential revenue later;
2) The revenue later will be LESS because the product the consumer is waiting for... is likely to be LOWER-priced than the one they would buy now if they didn't know a lower-priced better fit was coming;
3) The possibility that this person buys something today, then 9 months later says "you know what, this thing wasn't the right fit for me, but the new product is", in which case they sell the 9 month old thing on Facebook Marketplace, buy the new thing, and Apple has sold them TWO products instead of one
And there are those that dropped Apple because they removed the 27" iMac. Some have even posted on this site. Apple would not intentionally trash their image if they have future plans for a larger iMac.
Sorry, I do appreciate the effort...
... and no, I don't need 24 ports, I think I could do nicely enough with 8. Don't need VLANs or any kind of management, though that would be nice too. (I feel like I have seen one 8 port unmanaged switch on the market, forget if it was 2.5 or 10 gigabit... but you read the reviews and you see bad feedback about fan noise and general longevity..., and the pricing was not that great)
But 24 would be great because it would mean not needing to keep a low-speed switch for things like my printer, my PowerView blinds hub, Apple TV, etc. Or having to buy a new low-speed switch with a 10GbE uplink port to avoid a huge bottleneck.
Also, the price adds up quickly - let's say I find a topology where two of these works. I could probably make that work. We're already at USD$600, i.e. half the price of the dreamy 24 port switch, and that's without having replaced my existing switch with one with 10G uplink (which might be unnecessary).
How are you running yours? It seems to me like if you have your NAT router to the Internet on the 10G switch, a downlink to a low-speed switch, and let's say a downlink to your second 10 gigabit switch, you are left with only... two... usable ports. Or have you set it up differently, e.g. the low-speed switch has a 10 gig uplink, so you run your NAT router off that switch too and only have the most bandwidth-heavy devices now sharing 4 ports?
I only have 1gig internet, so I connected that to the 1x 1GbE port leaving the 4 10GbE free for my two NAS, and an uplink to go from my basement to my office in the third floor where I have the remaining three ports used for all my devices that need 10GbE. Lastly I only have WiFi 6 so I don't need 10Gb for wifi so my upstairs Mesh Router is using the 1x 1GbE port. So I still have one free port on the basement one I could use for something.
And.. what would they drop Apple for, a Windows box?!?
I think there are few people out there who are so dual-OS that either Windows world or Mac world not offering your preferred form of hardware would cause you to switch to the other platform (rather than grumblingly open your wallet or keep your old machine a year longer). Apple has two alternatives to the 27" iMac - the Mac mini + Studio display and the Mac Studio + Studio display. (Or, if you don't care about retina displays, buy a random 2560x1440 USB-C display from Dell or Lenovo) I happen to believe both of those are significantly worse value than the 27" iMac was, but they are functional alternatives for most people... and a lot less traumatic than leaving the Apple platform, especially for Windows and especially in 2023.
I'm about as dual-OS as they go, and despite two monstrous insults by Microsoft in a decadeish that have now led me to have 3 Macs, I still have some Windows machines... and vague plans to replace at least one with another Windows machine once Intel gets their act together...
It is much more modular. I can keep my display for 10 years if I want and upgrade my Mac Studio any time. I can upgrade my display without needing a new computer. I also use three monitors. I need all three monitors to match. There is no possible way to get two monitors to match the height, width, bezels, resolution, etc of the iMac screen. I am free to choose a $300 monitor, or a $1,500 monitor if I want. I am free to focus on high refresh rates (which helps me with my eye strain), or not. I have so much flexibility choosing my own monitor that I simply don't have with an iMac. I don't know why flexibility is considered a bad value for you.