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The lack of proper software on the iPads is the main reason for the decline in sales. iOS 10 had nothing to offer to iPads outside of a third column view in Mail/Notes.

Apple could very well be holding things back for the 10.3 release, but if nothing is shown for the rumored March Event then that is a really poor decision.

The hardware is already outpacing the software by leaps and bounds, so hopefully they start catching up.
Agreed. Do hate the new mail setup. I miss the old mail.
 
I also agree that the hardware is by leaps and bounds ahead of the software. At least the processing power on the iPP is more than capable of running full version of some software (MS Office for one). Instead we still have simplified versions of softwares that prevent many of us working people from making the complete switch. I can't even open the same excel sheets on my iPP that I prepared on my 12" rMB.

Though there are reasons for this. While the processing power is enough, the cooling is not, and active cooling plus high processing power usage would kill the battery much faster. That would just change the iPP into a Surface Pro and this is not something Apple intends to do, which is understandable. We need a huge leap in battery technology, to me that is the only thing holding back many new innovations.
 
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I've known people who'll buy a completely new laptop just because there's a new version of Windows out. Despite being advised to keep the one they have and just upgrade the bloody software. I don't know, maybe they just like to spend money :rolleyes:

Upgrading Windows isn't as easy as upgrading MacOS, and also, it's not free. Well, with Windows 10 I think there was a year period where you could upgrade for free. But in general, it's a daunting prospect for non-techies to install a new Windows OS on an existing machine, so I'm not surprised there are people who've been conditioned to buy a new machine if they want the latest OS.
 
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Upgrading Windows isn't as easy as upgrading MacOS, and also, it's not free. Well, with Windows 10 I think there was a year period where you could upgrade for free. But in general, it's a daunting prospect for non-techies to install a new Windows OS on an existing machine, so I'm not surprised there are people who've been conditioned to buy a new machine if they want the latest OS.

Upgrading to Windows 10 was, as you say, free for an entire year, and required little more than a click to confirm that you were ready to accept the upgrade. I doubt that upgrading Windows will ever be more daunting than this again.
 
Upgrading to Windows 10 was, as you say, free for an entire year, and required little more than a click to confirm that you were ready to accept the upgrade.
Theoretically. As the person who's frequently asked by friends and family to fix their computer problems, I can tell you I've had to do plenty of troubleshooting in the aftermath of that upgrade.

And I happen to like Windows and am unlikely to switch to Macs. I think day to day use, minor patch updates, etc, are more or less problem-free for the average user. However, there are some things that are still troublesome for non-techies.
 
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Upgrading Windows isn't as easy as upgrading MacOS, and also, it's not free. Well, with Windows 10 I think there was a year period where you could upgrade for free. But in general, it's a daunting prospect for non-techies to install a new Windows OS on an existing machine, so I'm not surprised there are people who've been conditioned to buy a new machine if they want the latest OS.

Aye I remember the hassles well from the days when I was solely a Windows user, it usually involved at least installing more RAM, sometimes a cpu to keep it ticking over nicely. You're right about Windows 10, I got a free upgrade on my Win8 system, made a change for Microsoft ;)

It's one of the things I've not missed over the past, well nearly a couple of decades now as an Apple user, at least 15 as having a Mac as my primary system. I moved to Apple for an easier life, or at least a simpler one and thankfully that's still managed to stay true to this day.

My iMac will soon have its 5th birthday and it's running as good as the day I bought it (albeit it's got more RAM and an SSD now) but several OS updates and not a hitch, I've never even had a crash in so long I can't remember. I can't say the same for my Windows system.

We whinge and moan, well some do, about Apple and how long they take to update hardware (Mac's anyway) and their prices and any teeny little thing we possibly can. But when you sit back and look at the big picture, we get reliable hardware, a dependable OS for free every year, a suite of productivity apps included for free, including free updates and so on and so on. They aren't the big bad man lurking in the darkness some would have us believe them to be. As shocking as it may be to some people, Apple actually looks after their customers, day in day out, year after year. That's why I'll stick with them.

Funny thing is, I actually spent more on hardware when I was a Windows user than as a Mac user because I was forever buying new components to keep up in the spec wars. That stopped when I switched to Apple, mainly because you can't upgrade many components. So the system I had, or have, lasted me years with only minor changes in its lifetime.
 
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Aye I remember the hassles well from the days when I was solely a Windows user, it usually involved at least installing more RAM, sometimes a cpu to keep it ticking over nicely. You're right about Windows 10, I got a free upgrade on my Win8 system, made a change for Microsoft ;)

Who knows, this could become the new normal for Microsoft, especially now that they are making their own hardware. But up until Windows 10, it was mostly not worth it to upgrade the OS unless you also bought new a system.

Funny thing is, I have a 2010 MacBook Air, on which I installed Windows 7 with Bootcamp. So Windows works as well now as when I first installed it, but OS X got slow around the time I upgraded to Yosemite. So now the MBA has basically turned into my Windows machine. :O
 
macOS scales well from Macbook to iMac. iOS does NOT scale well from iPhone to iPad Pro. The OS is configured to work well on 4" and there's so far very little done to make it more useful on 13". For me this is a dealbreaker.

I have an iPad Air and I like it for Netflix and web browsing. But because of software limitations it just isn't very efficient for me to do real work on.

Is the complaint that you can't put 6 icons in a row on the home screen?

I don't know - I guess people have their preferences, but this is VERY minor for me.
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Upgrading Windows isn't as easy as upgrading MacOS, and also, it's not free. Well, with Windows 10 I think there was a year period where you could upgrade for free. But in general, it's a daunting prospect for non-techies to install a new Windows OS on an existing machine, so I'm not surprised there are people who've been conditioned to buy a new machine if they want the latest OS.

I think they're on parity right now between macOS and Windows 10.

Also, as long as you're on the latest version of Windows 10, updates are free (anniversary edition was free, Creative will be free).

What I will agree with, though, is that I'm not sure upgrades are handled well, for non-techies, on either system. There's too much going on in the background (background downloading, system update nagging) and not enough for people to understand what they're doing. I know too many people that were suddenly surprised with Windows 10 on their system. With OS X - it just nags you until you upgrade, like iOS. I think it should display a message explaining the benefits of upgrading, then give the user the choice to do it (and if they choose not to, give them a path to, but don't keep bugging them to upgrade).
 
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I beg to differ.

Apple has concentrated on the iPhone these last 1.5 yrs and aside from giving us the pencil and rudimentary split-Windows, little else for the iPad side of things.

That has got to change.

But you gotta understand that the iPhone is their cash cow... of course they will prioritize it over other products.

Apple has given the iPad the pencil and Split-Screen, let's see what else they have in store. And then there's the point there's not many competitors in the tablet market that sell the way the iPad has.

Let's look at Android, what major changes have they done to their tablet OS in the last 1.5 yrs? There's a reason why the iPad is where it's at.. App Support, as long as Apple have that.. they have the lead.
 
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Is the complaint that you can't put 6 icons in a row on the home screen?

I don't know - I guess people have their preferences, but this is VERY minor for me.
While I don't necessarily want my 10" home screen packed with icons, something else would be nice.

But for me, it's more than just the home screen. Notification Center looks the same and doesn't take advantage of a larger screen. Control Center is also exactly the same. There's no reason all the toggles in CC can't fit on a single page.
 
The desktop should be remodeled to something akin to Win 10. Larger icons, widgets, tiles, some apps should be able to run windowed.
 
The desktop should be remodeled to something akin to Win 10. Larger icons, widgets, tiles, some apps should be able to run windowed.

I like Windows 10, but I'm going to say absolutely NOT (just as the home screen shouldn't look and function like Android). If I wanted that style of interface, I'd use my Surface Pro.

While I don't necessarily want my 10" home screen packed with icons, something else would be nice.

But for me, it's more than just the home screen. Notification Center looks the same and doesn't take advantage of a larger screen. Control Center is also exactly the same. There's no reason all the toggles in CC can't fit on a single page.

I can agree with these - they should make iOS better at "scaling" to device size - but I don't think that really affects the "power" of the software. I can see how these might enhance the user experience without being a major departure for iOS.
 
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But you gotta understand that the iPhone is their cash cow... of course they will prioritize it over other products.

Apple has given the iPad the pencil and Split-Screen, let's see what else they have in store. And then there's the point there's not many competitors in the tablet market that sell the way the iPad has.

Let's look at Android, what major changes have they done to their tablet OS in the last 1.5 yrs? There's a reason why the iPad is where it's at.. App Support, as long as Apple have that.. they have the lead.

It's all we can do...hope.

But I think we will have to wait until ios11 at the earliest and frankly I'm getting a little tired to waiting (ios10 was a bust in that regard) and even wonder just how much effort and resources has Apple assigned to the 'iPad team'.
 
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