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I am experiencing the "user did not respond" error in iChat sometimes when I try to initiate a or respond to an invitation to video chat. I'm also getting beachballs from Spotlight when I try to specify other kinds in my searches. Besides those two things, Tiger's great.
 
I do believe you've got some hardware issues on your hands there, buddy - I've been running Tiger ever since since the WWDC build up to 10.4.1 and haven't seen any of the problems you're describing - In fact it's working better than it did in Panther...
 
MrSugar said:
I am disappointed in Apple, Tiger is not worthy of OS X stature yet
Tiger is very very disappointing in my eyes. To me it is an unfinished product, it feels unfinished, it acts unfinished...
Apparently you haven't used Cheetah. Your little rant can be applied to Puma, Jaguar and Panther, and no doubt Lion and Cougar. Where will the madness end?
 
i completely agree. tiger is wayyyy too buggy for mass deployment. they really dropped the ball on this one. and about the 2 system thing, whoever said that, it happens on both my systems, a powermac g4 and a powerbook g4, both well above the requirements to run tiger. safari crashes all the time, dashboard crashes which is very interesting, spotlight doesnt find what i need, the dock crashes, basically a bunch of crashing.
 
whenpaulsparks said:
i completely agree. tiger is wayyyy too buggy for mass deployment. they really dropped the ball on this one. and about the 2 system thing, whoever said that, it happens on both my systems, a powermac g4 and a powerbook g4, both well above the requirements to run tiger. safari crashes all the time, dashboard crashes which is very interesting, spotlight doesnt find what i need, the dock crashes, basically a bunch of crashing.
did you do upgrades or installs?
Have any "special" software installed?
 
MrSugar said:
My second system is a laptop I use for school, I have to have wireless for it. This means that I can't use Tiger because of Cisco vpn that my wireless uses.

My school (www.bu.edu) has made a interim release of Cisco VPN which works with Tiger. Maybe you should email the computing services at your school and ask.
 
Spotlight interface is so horrible

Who designed this Spotlight Window anyway. It is so un-user friendly. This whole idea and functionality of Spotlight is awesome, however trying to work it into a smooth second nature workflow is difficult and downright unelegant.

First, the Spotlight menu icon. Not a bad idea, but it is so jumpy. LET IT BE DEDICATED. If you click there and happen to move your mouse ever so slightly to the left, it default jumps and toggles to the next menu icon over, and you have to center the mouse again before typing. But if you click once on the icons and try to toggle to Spotight, you can't. This thing doesn't know if it wants to be a menu icon or not. I think it should be separate, and if clicked, stay in that state until clicking outside it. and yes Realize you can hit command space to get there too.

Next, the Spotlight Window. Oh My God! How did this interface get through to the final release. It is horrible. First it just looks ugly, getting information about a file is simple but getting there is a problem, there is no "reveal in Finder", the only oftion you have is to start/open the item. It seems weird that I have to search for things differently in all the instances of Spotlight throughout the system. Finder Spotlight searches are different? Why can't Spotlight default to my home folder? It sucks indexing and looking at weird files in system folders when you type in "Mom", that I will never acess anyway. There is no way in Sportlight preferences to isolate just your home folder. Fine I'll use, command F or N to get a Finder Window, but there is no way to acess the search field without clicking with the mouse. The whole thing just sucks pretty bad.
 
MacTruck said:
I'm with ya. If it wasn't for a few features I would go back to panther. Spotlight, dashboard = worthless.


i dashboard each and every day it s great, i use spotlight less because i know where all my files are, but in my school all i hear is '' i can not find this doc'' i say well if we had macs(spotlight) u could, but u know its a PC world( so many closed mind people only using PC never trying mac.)

i was on MS publisher( in school) and we had to do a newpaper, MS pub died and we had to redo all this( was my friend had not saved) this also happened to many others, i smiled and thought Mac OS X.4
 
AdamZ said:
Oh My God! How did this interface get through to the final release. It is horrible. First it just looks ugly, getting information about a file is simple but getting there is a problem, there is no "reveal in Finder"
I think the Spotlight interface and window looks clean, uncluttered and elegant. What would you do to make it look beautiful? Secondly, "reveal in Finder" is simply a command-click away. Can't get any more elegant than that. If you are going to rant, at least do it right.
 
So far I haven't had a SINGLE problem with tiger. It's weird how some people's work fine and others are really buggy.
 
Lacero said:
I think the Spotlight interface and window looks clean, uncluttered and elegant. What would you do to make it look beautiful? Secondly, "reveal in Finder" is simply a command-click away. Can't get any more elegant than that. If you are going to rant, at least do it right.

Oh you mean control-click to reveal in Finder, yep I knew that but I'm sure that there are little touches throughout the Spotlight Interface that could and will be improved upon. I am not an interface designer but I think that it just seems kinda weird and out of place. There is a great interview at the end of last weeks Tech Night Owl, http://www.macradio.com/thursday/nightowl/ this is a great little interview with a long time author who sees the issues as well. Great show if havent been tuning in. Anyway I've been on Mac Rumors tip for 3 years now, so every once in awhile I'll rant away, I brought up some other stuff though that are an embodiment of how many friends and coworkers are feeling. So strongly though that many of my friend are looking for ways to turn Spotlight off. This reaction can't be good
 
Tiger upgrade only CD only allowed mac mini to run at 10baseT

The Tiger upgrade CD for my mac mini caused the little bugger to say "network cable unplugged." Knowing it was working with Panther, I carefully did my best trial and error troubleshoot and fixed it!

If you run into this, try switching manual ethernet config to 10baseT from auto.
:rolleyes:
 
chatin said:
The Tiger upgrade CD for my mac mini caused the little bugger to say "network cable unplugged." Knowing it was working with Panther, I carefully did my best trial and error troubleshoot and fixed it!

If you run into this, try switching manual ethernet config to 10baseT from auto.
:rolleyes:
Something doesn't sound right here...

As far as I know, there is no such thing as a "Tiger upgrade CD/DVD".
"Network cable unplugged" is a Windows XP error message that (thankfully) doesn't appear on Mac OS X.
 
MrSugar said:
I stood in line with the rest of the Mac nerds to see Tiger at my local Apple store. Had they told me it was still in beta testing I would have left and spent 2 hours of my life doing something better.

Tiger is very very disappointing in my eyes. To me it is an unfinished product, it feels unfinished, it acts unfinished, and the more people I see talking about it the more problems I see coming up.

I have done a clean install of Tiger, because the upgrade install messed up my entire system and I had to do a clean install. But even with that fact, Tiger still has tons of problems. I have noticed problems with preview, problems with safari, problems with dashboard, problems with Ichat, and so on.

These aren't just minor annoying bugs either, they are frustrating bugs that force me to restart, login and out, or not be able to use an entire program.

I find myself anxiously awaiting for 4.2 to come out. A few weeks ago I was waiting for 4.1 to come out, even with 10.4.1 I still feel like we are beta testing this OS.

The fact is my school's VPN doesn't work for wireless anymore, so I can't use it. iChat is so horrible with my iSight that it just comes back saying "user did not respond" even though I am talking with them on the phone with the person and we are both doing everything right! My safari quits more often than I ever remember it in the past. Preview loses it's borders and completely and locks up every now and then. I can't create new windows in safari, they just don't appear, and finder windows sometimes get cut in half and go completely buggy. The OS feels slow and runs slower than I ever remember Panther. Even with the 64 bit "claim", Panther ran faster on my G5. And still, I find myself trying to justify that Tiger is good. The problem is, it's not! Dashboard widgets don't run as fast as they should, they don't refresh until I hit F12 and then I am stuck waiting for my weather to appear for several seconds. It doesn't work nearly as well as advertised.

Realistically Tiger has a lot of problems. I use it worrying that it's all of a sudden going to crash or mess up. This isn't how an Apple OS should feel. Panther never felt like this! Panther felt stable even with 10.3.0, I never had a doubt it was worth it. Tiger feels like an operating system that shouldn't be out until this fall.

What happened Apple??? This is the first time I have ever used Apple software and felt that it wasn't what it should be. I have put thousands of dollars into Apple, I bleed white plastic blood, I profess my Apple view upon the world, and my car happily holds an Apple sticker. With this dedication I expect the best of the best. I expect that every time I turn on my computer for it to stay on without problems until the power fails. I expect it to run every program I want, and do it perfectly. I expect that the Apple made programs will work when I first open them, if I want to video conference I just hit connect, and BAM ipto facto there it is. I expect Apple's OS to increase my workflow, and make me feel like the thousands of dollars I have given them are going to a good cause.

Tiger is not what it should be, plain and simple.

And please don't tell me to re-install Panther, I shouldn't have to downgrade just to achieve a worry free computing experience.
I have been using Tiger for some days now, And I have seen none of the problems you described. Safari works perfectly, even If I load it up with 5-6 java-loading tabs. Finder has never been so fast for me, and I haven't experienced any problem whatsoever. I have even networked Tiger with a mac running Panther. Still no problems.

I did a clean install, and I was carefull NOT to use any 3rd party application which in their website didn't mention clearly "Optimized to run under Tiger". Preview is fine for me. I use 10.4.1, but 10.4 was bug-free for me too. And I know many other users who run Tiger flawlessly.

You must have done something wrong.

And If you haven't, then you should seriously consider that the upgrade from Panther to Tiger was not the same as Jaguar to Panther. THis is the most complete OS revision that ever happened in OS X since the upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1. There will surely be problems, that they could not be detected during pre-release stage, because no-one can predict each users system configuration.

And you should do a clean install from the start. For such a major system upgrade, there is little chance that everything will work with a simple upgrade. Just wait a little longer.

For me, I just love the way spotlight works and is implemented into every aspect of the os, even in smart folders. With a hot key, you can enable spotlight on the top right of the menu bar, or bring a spotlight window to front. The search is really FAST and it is categorized per kind, per size, etc.

Smart folders are very useful to me to categorize my files according to the date I opened them, without having to open spotlight every once in a while. For programmers, this is VERY important sometimes.

So, don't complain. Please look if someone else is having the same problems as you have before you say something is incomplete.
 
This is what is most worrying

It seems that noone is developing real, public used 64 bit applications for OS X, not even Mental Images with their not so public Mental Ray.

Even Maxon gave up on offering Cinema 4d 64 bit on OSX and that is very very sad, maxon being one of the best supporters for 3d graphics on Macs.

Overall, it looks like this Tiger is lots of bull and eyecandy. Nothing more. Sure it has some nice stuff, but come on. Even Microsoft is offering real 64 bit OS!!!!


Apple seemed to be on the vagon with 64 bit processing when presenting their g5. What happened? I tell you what. iPod happend. And thats a shame.
 
I completely agree and was actually going to start a thread like this yesterday myself.

On my G5, I've gone back to using 10.3.9 and will probably continue to until things improve. I installed 10.4 twice on this machine. The first time I did an upgrade, and it just didn't run very well (as could be expected, it was an upgrade). So, I wiped it clean and reinstalled. Earlier this week, when QT 7.0.1 was released, I installed it, rebooted, and now I can't log in. I called Apple who had me run the Disk Utility, and apparently the install caused some kind of problem that has rendered me unable to log in. There is no repairing it, unless I go out and buy 3rd party software (gee, thanks Apple). I'm stuck wiping the hard drive again and reinstalling EVERYTHING.

In addition to that, I'm having major issues with QuickTime 7 (besides for the latest update) not working properly with our Quicktime Streaming Server. I wish I could just install 6.5, but Tiger doesn't allow that.

I've also had more system freezes/kernel panics with 10.4.x than I was having with 10.3.9.

I was really expecting to be "wowed" with this upgrade, but it just didn't happen...certainly not the way I was when 10.3 was introduced.

I will continue running Tiger on my laptop, as it seems to be functioning just fine on there and I don't rely on it nearly as heavily as I do my G5. For now, the G5 will run 10.3.9.

Here's to hoping 10.4.2 fixes a lot of bugs.
 
I've had to do an Archive and Install while using 10.4.1 last week because I couldn't even log back on.

I'm using 10.4.1 again this time, and I hope it treats be better. I had to do 2 hard resets today because Tiger crashed on me twice (things stopped working, not really kernel panics), but believe it or not, its still better than the first install, which was an Archive and Install from Panther 10.3.9.

And before you ask me about any hardware mods I've made and start questioning that first, I'll tell you that I haven't made any. Nothing except my 1GB stick of RAM from OWC that I've had since I bought the system, and its not the problem.
 
byla said:
This is what is most worrying

Overall, it looks like this Tiger is lots of bull and eyecandy. Nothing more. Sure it has some nice stuff, but come on. Even Microsoft is offering real 64 bit OS!!!!

Apple seemed to be on the vagon with 64 bit processing when presenting their g5. What happened? I tell you what. iPod happend. And thats a shame.
That thread is bull**** I'm sorry.
There is no excuse for maxon to NOT offer a 64-bit version of thier app for OSX. In fact, if they offer a linux version, all they have to do is port over X-window or whatver they use in the 64-bit linux to Tiger. And if they couldn't do that, there's nothing preventing them from rendering to a surface and piping that to a cocoa GUI.

They (Maxon) just don't want to commit.
Porting Cocoa/Carbon to full 64-bit will happen.
Not to mention, if apple came out with a 64-bit "everything" all your drivers would become useless just like on Windows64.

I think hyperbole is something very common around here...
 
Abstract said:
I had to do 2 hard resets today because Tiger crashed on me twice (things stopped working, not really kernel panics)

Nothing except my 1GB stick of RAM from OWC that I've had since I bought the system, and its not the problem.
Hard freezes are 90% likely a H/W problem.
I had this too, and thought the same.
Don't be so sure its not your ram until you pull it and try with the original.

Before with other macs, one was the memory, the other was a bad airport card, both are now fine.
 
Fukui said:
Hard freezes are 90% likely a H/W problem.
I had this too, and thought the same.
Don't be so sure its not your ram until you pull it and try with the original.

Before with other macs, one was the memory, the other was a bad airport card, both are now fine.

Well, I've had no problems with my two desktops - a G3 400 and a DP G4 500. I have had nothing but trouble with my 1.25 PB (random, probably unrelated point - neither of the desktops support Core Video, but the PB does). I've been beginning to wonder if it's the RAM in it. It has a single 1gb SODIMM I bought from OWC about six months ago. I've had zero trouble in Panther. In Tiger I get lots of hard freezes (not kernel panics), especially when doing things like opening a new Safari tab, deleteing an email to display a new one, opening a new finder window, etc. This is on a clean install (one of the freezes and ensuing hard reset completely ate my home dir on the PB). No 3rd party apps running.

So, I can see both sides of this fence - two machines run great, but the PB is a dog. That's my fuel for the fire.
 
I admit I am new to Mac as a recent switcher but I must admit I have been impressed with Tiger. I have had some issues with vendors not having their software quite ready for Tiger but I find in the Mac world that these things are quickly fixed as mine are already.

Since updating and doing some tweaking everything runs quite well. And, I am constantly Dashboarding, listening to ITunes, writing, syncing, etc. all at once with no problems at all. I as others have mentioned have found Tiger to be much snappier than Panther.

I might assume from your tone that you have never had the "pleasure" of updating a Windows OS. I could talk for hours about my experiences with just that, but won't, just want to forget that other OS...
 
mcdermd said:
I've been beginning to wonder if it's the RAM in it. It has a single 1gb SODIMM I bought from OWC about six months ago. I've had zero trouble in Panther. In Tiger I get lots of hard freezes (not kernel panics), especially when doing things like opening a new Safari tab, deleteing an email to display a new one, opening a new finder window, etc.
Same here. Not many problems in Panther... install Tiger and boom, everything went to crap. Removed the RAM and placed the original, boom, all fine. I've since bought a replacement memory upgrade, and all is fine.

So you really might check into that.
 
Fukui said:
That thread is bull**** I'm sorry.
There is no excuse for maxon to NOT offer a 64-bit version of thier app for OSX. In fact, if they offer a linux version, all they have to do is port over X-window or whatver they use in the 64-bit linux to Tiger. And if they couldn't do that, there's nothing preventing them from rendering to a surface and piping that to a cocoa GUI.

They (Maxon) just don't want to commit.
Porting Cocoa/Carbon to full 64-bit will happen.
Not to mention, if apple came out with a 64-bit "everything" all your drivers would become useless just like on Windows64.

I think hyperbole is something very common around here...

Maxon is not offering Linux version. Just Windows and OSX.

Yeah, maybe they dont want to commit, but can you tell me one 3d software company that comminted to building real 64 bit software that works on OSX? The answer is, not even one. Lightwave 64 bit seems to be Windows only, Alias is suggesting that 64 bit version of Maya is close to finishing and only Windows/Linux, XSI again windows version (ok, so far XSI has never been ported to Mac) and even Mental images with Mental Ray renderer gave up on that. Maybe they are all uncommitted. Or perhaps it is just very painfull to do that. Therfore, Apples fault.
 
byla said:
Or perhaps it is just very painfull to do that. Therfore, Apples fault.
Or perhaps the market is not big enough (more than half of apple's line up is still 32-bit) and they need to find a "reason" not to support OSX yet.
 
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