iPhone SE I do not think we'll see an iPhone SE update...

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by bwApple! fwApple!, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Reno Raines macrumors 6502a

    Jul 19, 2015

    Amen! I bought the SE partially because it had the headphone jack. I don’t think Apple would keep it if their is a SE refresh but one can hope.
  2. masands macrumors regular

    Sep 17, 2010
    My cousin in India works in a large electronics factory. He says they are preparing to manufacture the SE 2. It’s basically to honour the “Made In India” deal Tim made to Modi. It’s just a SE with iPhone 7 specs.
  3. bwApple! fwApple! thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 2, 2017
    The iPhone SE is basically a 5S with some 6S specs.
    I compared the 6S with the 7:
    -The A10 instead of the A9; a better GPU (which will not matter much for the tiny SE screen, I'd think?)
    -Better camera (and with optical image stabilization).
    It's not nothing, but I wouldn't expect more than that.
    And I wouldn't expect to see it appear before September 2018 (when the 6S(+) will be dropped from the line-up).
  4. JPack macrumors 68000


    Mar 27, 2017
    Seems unlikely as India doesn't have the capability to manufacture phone electronics or parts.

    The Wistron plant in India is importing iPhone SE knock-down kits containing all necessary components for assembly only.
  5. kevink2 macrumors 65816

    Nov 2, 2008
    Not quite as important for the SE now that the 6s is still available. The big advantage of the SE was the better radio than the 6. Especially for T-Mobile.
  6. wylhkg macrumors newbie

    Apr 28, 2013
    Fully support the size of iPhone SE, why I cannot include all features inside the size, except the useless 3D Touch.
    Does apple research, the usefulness of 3D Touch? It can reduce the thickness of the phone! And reduce much size for other useful parts!

    Wish SE II will release soon
  7. thedeske macrumors 6502a

    Feb 17, 2013
    Hope they keep it going. Small form, 18 month old tech, reachable to more people. Put it on a good 35/40 a month carrier live on an excellent device for half price.
  8. ctrlzone macrumors regular


    Feb 9, 2017
    they should make SE II shorter, i don't understand why it has to be so long, its just inconvenient.
    iPhone 4 is the perfect size for a phone period
  9. TrickyTreeRed macrumors member


    Aug 16, 2017
    Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
    India does have the capacity to manufacture high-end electronics; however, manufacturers need to overcome the country's crippling import duties on components.

    This is proving to be quite problematic given the protectionist leanings of India's federal and most state government.
  10. rui no onna macrumors 603

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    Or even 1/4th the price of the latest models in some cases. :p
  11. shinji macrumors 65816


    Mar 18, 2007
    There's a market for a smaller phone that easily fits into your pocket and can be (comfortably) used one-handed. It'd be a real shame for Apple to just make it a one-off and walk away.
  12. Relentless Power macrumors Core

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    I don't think Apple made the iPhone SE just for a one time iPhone. I do think they put some logic into it and realized it's intended for India's market and it's an entry-level price iPhone for those who wanted a smaller form factor, that does not incorporate all the latest technology. I think it will return with some physical changes and upgraded internals from the iPhone 7, but the main consideration is to retain the price point and form factor.
  13. bwApple! fwApple!, Oct 4, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2017

    bwApple! fwApple! thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 2, 2017
    I think I mentioned earlier in the thread that the iPhone SE/5S is proportionally the tallest iPhone Apple ever did.
    length-width = 2.11:1
    4(S)/5(S)/SE are the least wide iPhones in absolute numbers: 58.6 mm.
    The 4(S): 1.97:1
    length-width ratios for the (other) iPhones:
    1: 1.85
    3G(S): 1.86
    4(S): 1.97
    5(S)/SE: 2.11
    6(S)/7/8: 2.06
    6(S)+/7+/8+: 2.03
    X: 2.03
  14. colodane macrumors 6502a


    Nov 11, 2012
    I'm still hopeful about an "SE" redesign. Lots of folks like the size, and there is an opportunity to keep the physical size and get more screen area with a zero or small bezel design with OLED. OLED displays this size should be more reasonably priced in the next year or so. Anyhow, that is what I would like to see.
  15. JPack macrumors 68000


    Mar 27, 2017
    According to the survey by RBC Capital Markets, only 3% of iPhone buyers today want an SE.

    Just like the iPad mini, the 4" display is a outdated form factor. I would be surprised if Apple updated the SE.

    Would a 4" smartphone benefit from an A10 or 3GB of RAM? Probably not. Similarly, a 4.7" SE device with an A10 could cannibalize iPhone 7 sales.

    What's left? A 4.7" display with A9. With the iPhone 6s entering its third year of production, Apple is probably able to realize much of the cost savings by now. Next year, the 6s can occupy the $399 slot previously occupied by the SE.
  16. FunkyTang macrumors 6502a

    Sep 16, 2008
    You'll see an SE update after the factory in India has been open for almost a year.
  17. bwApple! fwApple! thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 2, 2017
    I too would be surprised if Apple updated the SE.
    But that's different from Apple releasing an X-type iPhone with dimensions similar to the SE.
    The iPhone X is 71 mm wide, another 4 mm wider than the non-Plus iPhones.
    There will likely exist an iPhone X+ in the future. 80 mm wide? (The + iPhones are 78 mm now)

    The SE form factor might be "outdated", but the iPhones Apple sells now are becoming quite "outsized".
  18. Billburns macrumors 6502


    Mar 27, 2017
    I feel like they won’t, they have enough phones as is. Now adding a 4th while still selling the 7/7+

  19. JPack macrumors 68000


    Mar 27, 2017
    In order for Apple to produce a thin-bezel iPhone SE, it would be rather expensive.

    A thin-bezel iPhone SE would have roughly the same display area as a 5" conventional 16:9 phone. This means much higher power demands. Apple would have to employ the same expensive tricks used in the X. This includes a stacked PCB and an L-shaped battery. Given the positioning of the SE as a value iPhone, I don't think Apple would do this.

    Future iPhones are expected to have better cameras and AR on the back of the device. The iPhone SE form factor, in my opinion, doesn't allow for dual-cameras or a Taptic Engine. The current trend is towards larger displays. Even if Apple were able to squeeze a 5" display into the SE, maintain the battery life using expensive tricks, and pack in an OIS camera, I don't think the market is large enough for a small form factor expensive device.
  20. MartyvH, Oct 5, 2017
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2017

    MartyvH macrumors member


    Sep 16, 2017
    From Chupa Chupa's sig:

    "People who use Apple products considered their options, and chose Apple. If they regret their decision, they can dump it at any time." -- Harry McCracken, Technologizer.com

    I considered my options and chose the only smaller phone of the 20 different models in the carrier shop, the SE.

    The next-smallest is the iPhone 6/7/8, with which I would be unhappy. Yes, unhappy and I would just tolerate it. Every other model is the size and design of the iPhone X and Samsung GS7/8. I like Android, I bought a new Android tablet in April which I use daily, but the Sony Xperia Compact series of phones is flawed and has availability problems.

    I cannot just dump it at any time and the large number of people who post comments online about how much they love the SE is telling.

    With the smartphone market maturing (stagnating - new phones are almost the same), I think manufacturers will have an interest in differentiating in form factor to maintain sales, rather than have wall to wall, dozens of models with the same form factor which is the situation today.
  21. whohasaquestion macrumors 6502a

    Sep 17, 2011
    I am on the camp that says we won't see SE2, at least not in 2018.

    If Apple updates SE, it will be fairly minor. It will be more like "Okay, you asked for an update, we give you an update. Now hand over that $400 in your bank account."
  22. Relentless Power macrumors Core

    Relentless Power

    Jul 12, 2016
    Even if they do update the iPhone SE in 2018, the most it will receive internally would be from the iPhone 7 and nothing past that. Physical changes would likely be minor. But the whole point of the SE was the price point. So in order for Apple to retain their price point, it won't adopt the latest technology.
  23. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 603


    Jan 17, 2013
    United Kingdom
    There will be an awful lot of disappointed people if they don’t. There is a significant market for people that don’t like the standard iPhone size.
  24. DNichter macrumors 603


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    I hope they do. A full screen SE sized phone (X design language) would be pretty awesome.

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