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General I don't get the hypocritical hate against pirated apps

A very impassioned subject.

I feel some people use cracked versions to try out the tweak to see if its for them and causes no issues.

Perhaps if the developers included a try before you buy option.
Say a couple of days trial period.

Heres an example of a recent situation i came against.

The tweak iconoclasm shows as compatible in the list of iOS 6 tweaks.

To download it via cydia's paid avenue i'm told by the tweak its not compatible yet with my device and iOS version.

However by a naughty repo its downloadable ! :confused:

I downloaded the tweak and it works ok apart from it not liking folder enhancer. Ive now deleted iconoclasm and will await for it to catch up so i can pay for it.

I concur with the "support the developers" by paying for the tweaks.
 
mcdj said:
From A Buick 8 said:
It is simple pirateing apps harms the developers that we all rely on to provide the awesome apps and tweaks that we love.
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But pirating music and movies does no harm to the artists who make them? Please explain.
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I think most people feel that once an artist or studio has made millions in profit off a particular item, then they look ridiculous whining about how they aren't getting even more millions :rolleyes:

Jailbreak developers on the other hand, aren't millionaires. One could assume that if they were then they wouldn't put a cost on their applications at all if they were. So the piracy effect is much more damaging to someone who isn't of such high income standing.
 
Music artists get money raining down on them just by being famous... And most of the time it just takes one hit song and they can record crap for their rest of their lives and live like sultans.

Cydia apps dont get a million views on youtube nor are invited to SNL.
 
Jman13 said:
Actually, those things are simply not explicitly legal...they are not illegal per se, they just aren't currently written into the DMCA exception that the iPhone is. It is a legal gray area that has never been tested.
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Not really a gray area, it's quite simply illegal. However, the main reason why tablets have yet to be written into the DMCA exception is the Librarian doesn't want to define "tablet computer" in a legal sense.
chrf097 said:
Can you point out with part of the DMCA prohibits jailbreaking the iPad but not the iPhone, considering I *highly* doubt anyone was going to take account jailbreaking a tablet or a smart phone (none of those terms of which even existed in 1998)
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It's simple.

The DMCA states it's illegal to circumvent ANY (read ANY on ANYTHING not matter WHAT it is) copyright/DRM protections. Jailbreaking gets around those. Therefore, the need for an exception.
 
The problem with pirating apps is there's really no excuse for it. By and large you can't claim they're over-priced. You can't claim they're difficult to find, or that they're difficult to buy. You can't claim you're sticking it to the man because most are developed by indies. As such, if you're pirating apps you're just being a cheap-ass.
 
1 and 3 are obtaining something without payment to the owner/developer/artist an illegal/immoral in my book. It is theft.

2 is modifying something you own to personalize the function to your tastes. Whether illegal or not, I do not find this immoral. I view it the same as modifying my car.
 
Most musicians I listen to are by no means millionaires, yet I believe that it has indeed became a standard to accept its piracy on a large scale... I think the difference is also in the temporary nature of our media consumption. We are reluctant to pay for something we will watch once... However getting software usually means we plan on using it regularly (notification center tweak is used every single day). Also that's why I think that most people that install cracked IPAs are people who just want to try some novelty apps just for the sake of knowing what is possible or trying to amuse yourself with a game for a afternoon... But people who get apps to get serious things done would rarely be pirating them...

And then Finally it is given by the demographics of the forum... A lot of people here are developers, so it is painful for them. I have been to some music forums where you'd be virtually killed for mentioning pirating cds...
 
Artists also make money off concerts and other revenue streams, at least the big ones do. Lady Gaga wouldn't go broke even if no one paid for her studio recordings.
 
You people realise that only a very, VERY small fraction of music artists ever get anywhere near making millions from music don't you? The vast majority struggle to survive and they make music because they love it.

By your own logic, it's okay to pirate all App Store apps because the makers of Angry Birds have made a fortune.
 
In this thread: It's ok to pirate from big corporations that want to maximize profit, but it's big no no to pirate from a small indie developer (which believe it or not, also wants to maximize profit).

Companies can (and should) charge the maximum that they can get away with that gives them the optimal P*Q. It's up to consumer to vote with their feet and switch to a competing product. Pirating is stealing, whether the company is small or large. I'm guilty of it too, but at least I don't make weird justifications about it being ok. I know what i'm doing wrong.

An increasingly sad anti-corporation society we live in.
 
waa1futs said:
THIS ^^^

You'd have to be a f@#!ing idiot to not understand that if jailbreak developers aren't paid for the time they put into making awesome jailbreak tweaks for us, then they will find something else that does pay them and leave the jailbreak community :mad:
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All I have seen from them are buggy apps lately...What protects us from shoddy work with no recourse?
 
if people want to pirate apps, let em pirate them i really dont care. But it really doesnt make much sense to pirate an app that costs 0.90$...
 
Tha Professor said:
Most musicians I listen to are by no means millionaires, yet I believe that it has indeed became a standard to accept its piracy on a large scale... I think the difference is also in the temporary nature of our media consumption. We are reluctant to pay for something we will watch once... However getting software usually means we plan on using it regularly (notification center tweak is used every single day). Also that's why I think that most people that install cracked IPAs are people who just want to try some novelty apps just for the sake of knowing what is possible or trying to amuse yourself with a game for a afternoon... But people who get apps to get serious things done would rarely be pirating them...

And then Finally it is given by the demographics of the forum... A lot of people here are developers, so it is painful for them. I have been to some music forums where you'd be virtually killed for mentioning pirating cds...
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I only listen to popular artists...not coffee shop heroes.
 
We friggin jailbroke our phonoes, I'm not paying $20 for a wifi hotspot that I already have available on my phone for free, and has a chance of getting me caught if I was on another carrier. Tweaks are nice but if I'm not gonna pay $1 for an app store app why would I be $8 for a cydia app? We all have bills to pay and I know they have bills too but if they're looking for steady money they should look elsewhere
 
tymaster50 said:
We friggin jailbroke our phonoes, I'm not paying $20 for a wifi hotspot that I already have available on my phone for free, and has a chance of getting me caught if I was on another carrier. Tweaks are nice but if I'm not gonna pay $1 for an app store app why would I be $8 for a cydia app? We all have bills to pay and I know they have bills too but if they're looking for steady money they should look elsewhere
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I remember when jailbreaking first started. Stuff was free. People did this for fun and to stick it to apple. Now we have devs making apps that cost more than apple App Store apps that often don't work right. That's pathetic!

Android people do all this for free...oh how I miss them when I see a wifi tether app here cost $20.00 despite reviews saying they were caught by their carrier.
 
Discussion of YouTube downloaders ≠ piracy since there may be legitimate uses
Discussion of torrent applications ≠ piracy since there may be legitimate uses
Discussion of jailbreaking ≠ piracy since many jailbreak without stealing apps

Discussion of piracy = piracy, whether it is on YouTube, torrents or through jailbreaks

If you see a discussion of piracy, it is against the rules, and should be reported for a Moderator's attention
 
mcdj said:
But pirating music and movies does no harm to the artists who make them? Please explain.

FWIW, there's a similar hypocrisy in the accessories forums where fake accessories discussions abound.
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I did not say that, and i agree it does them harm. All I said was is that there is direct harm done to the small developers that create our JB apps. They are a small community and if one is lost the pain is directly felt.

The music and movie industry has several layers between us (the end user) and the actual artist who create them music and the movies. I see that as the main difference.

I agree with you, one should not pirate music, movies or Apps (I assume that is what you are saying).
 
MacDawg said:
Discussion of YouTube downloaders ≠ piracy since there may be legitimate uses
Discussion of torrent applications ≠ piracy since there may be legitimate uses
Discussion of jailbreaking ≠ piracy since many jailbreak without stealing apps

Discussion of piracy = piracy, whether it is on YouTube, torrents or through jailbreaks

If you see a discussion of piracy, it is against the rules, and should be reported for a Moderator's attention
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Reported! for discussion of piracy :rolleyes:
 
I don't get it too. Have the same feelings as the OP mentioned.

For me the purpose of pirating apps is one of 2:

- Trying out the app to see if it's worth it

- Excessive pricing of an app (TomTom, etc)
 
waa1futs said:
I think most people feel that once an artist or studio has made millions in profit off a particular item, then they look ridiculous whining about how they aren't getting even more millions :rolleyes:

Jailbreak developers on the other hand, aren't millionaires. One could assume that if they were then they wouldn't put a cost on their applications at all if they were. So the piracy effect is much more damaging to someone who isn't of such high income standing.
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Whose job is it to decide when someone has made enough money?

What an absolutely ridiculous argument.
 
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