I don't see why people say the 5k iMac is overpriced

[Designer Dale]

ROFL? Where do you get that BS? The Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" will be $2500. Any $1000 PC will out spec the top-end $4000 iMac in every way. And in a couple of years you can attach a new $1000 box to the same screen.

So Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" for $2500 is good. iMac Retina for $2500 is rip-off garbage for idiots and suckers who can't think more than 2 days into the future.

!) That Dell isn't on the market yet. How do you know any $1000 PC will run it?

2) For a $1000 PC to out spec a top end iMac in every way it would have to include a bundled 27 in. 5K display. Ain't gonna happen.

PS: Where can I pick up a PC with a 4GHz Quad core i7 chip, 32 gigs of ram and 1 TB of flash for $1000?

Dale

 

[pcconvert]

I think the question really is whether you could go by with 4k vs. 5k. If the answer is positive, you could buy great 4k Samsung 28'' display for $650 - and get quite a decent hardware for remaining $1900 difference. Graphics and I/Os being probably the main differentiators.

 

[Oracle1729]

!) That Dell isn't on the market yet. How do you know any $1000 PC will run it?

2) For a $1000 PC to out spec a top end iMac in every way it would have to include a bundled 27 in. 5K display. Ain't gonna happen.

1) Unless you're picking stupid parts to waste money without performance any $1000 PC will power a 5k screen. With something like a GT 740 under $200, and i5-4570 under $200, you'd have to work pretty hard to pick hardware stupid enough to spend $1000 and not be able for fly on a 5k screen.

2) Are you being deliberately stupid? The entire point is to build a box that will beat an iMac when connected to a 5k $2500 screen.

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I think the question really is whether you could go by with 4k vs. 5k. If the answer is positive, you could buy great 4k Samsung 28'' display for $650 - and get quite a decent hardware for remaining $1900 difference. Graphics and I/Os being probably the main differentiators.

That is what I wanted to do with a mac mini. So I'll be doing it with a PC instead.

 

[leman]

If I drop a few grand on a monitor, I don't want it stuck to a 2013 Haswell CPU

Name a single better currently available CPU of comparable TDP The CPUs in the retina iMac are the top performers of the current Intel's portfolio, not taking the faster enthusiast models into account (which are too hot for the iMac anyway).

So come on people, complaining about the GPU - that I can more or less understand. But complaining about the CPU is just silly.

 

[Oracle1729]

Name a single better currently available CPU of comparable TDP The CPUs in the retina iMac are the top performers of the current Intel's portfolio, not taking the faster enthusiast models into account (which are too hot for the iMac anyway).

So come on people, complaining about the GPU - that I can more or less understand. But complaining about the CPU is just silly.

That's irrelevant. Better CPUs come out every year. Displays evolve much slower. It is always a mistake.

 

[tillsbury]

Anyone who says it's overpriced is talking nonsense. Same as when the retina MBP came out, people complained that the maxed out version was whatever it was in US$ (it was NZ$5.5k). There was nothing else on the market to compare it to, and anything that got close in the Windows department was more expensive.

Same here, the maxed out retina iMac is NZ$6.5k, but there isn't an alternative at any price so what is there you're comparing it with?

 

[Truefan31]

ROFL? Where do you get that BS? The Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" will be $2500. Any $1000 PC will out spec the top-end $4000 iMac in every way. And in a couple of years you can attach a new $1000 box to the same screen.



So Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" for $2500 is good. iMac Retina for $2500 is rip-off garbage for idiots and suckers who can't think more than 2 days into the future.

 

[leman]

That's irrelevant. Better CPUs come out every year. Displays evolve much slower. It is always a mistake.

So what you are criticising is the AOI form factor. Not that that particular topic has been discussed ad nauseum, of course

At any rate, you'd want to restructure your argument. You can't say that iMac is overpriced, because you cannot build a better machine for less money. Its a simple fact, given that the display would already take away all your budget. You can surely argue that the iMac is not cost-effective enough or not modular enough — which btw is only relevant for a narrow class of users which need top performance all the time and don't mind with tinkering or upgrading the internals.

 

[dlewis23]

1) Unless you're picking stupid parts to waste money without performance any $1000 PC will power a 5k screen. With something like a GT 740 under $200, and i5-4570 under $200, you'd have to work pretty hard to pick hardware stupid enough to spend $1000 and not be able for fly on a 5k screen.

Except no it won't. To power a 5k display you would need DisplayPort 1.3 and since its not really available yet on a consumer graphics card (Especially not a GT 740) your not going to spend a $1000 and power a 5k display.

And your i5-4570 does not out spec a $4000 iMac.

I think the question really is whether you could go by with 4k vs. 5k. If the answer is positive, you could buy great 4k Samsung 28'' display for $650 - and get quite a decent hardware for remaining $1900 difference. Graphics and I/Os being probably the main differentiators.

That 28" Samsung while only $650 bucks is really not a great display. I tried one it shouldn't even be placed in the same sentence as a HQ 4K display or the 5K display on the iMac.

 

[Oracle1729]

So what you are criticising is the AOI form factor. Not that that particular topic has been discussed ad nauseum, of course

Not at all. But there's a reason most AOIs have cheap displays and cheap price tags. I'm not criticizing AOIs in general, but putting a supper expensive display in on is asinine.

At any rate, you'd want to restructure your argument. You can't say that iMac is overpriced, because you cannot build a better machine for less money.

Sure I can. Except that the second I let the iMac have an advantage in any area you're going to say my machine isn't as good. If I have to meet or beat every single thing about the iMac and I don't get point for a faster machine, more internal storage, more ram, more USB, etc, then no you're right. But it's a silly argument you're making.

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Except no it won't. To power a 5k display you would need DisplayPort 1.3 and since its not really available yet on a consumer graphics card (Especially not a GT 740) your not going to spend a $1000 and power a 5k display.

True....and this is the idiocy of your whole point of view. You don't need to buy it today. Fine go buy your $4000 iMac. The people with brains will buy a 5k screen next spring and laugh at you and your machine that stutters scrolling text.

And your i5-4570 does not out spec a $4000 iMac.

Never said it did. I said it would drive a 5k screen well. You have a point about connecting to it, but by the time the 5k screens hit the market, that problem will be solved. I don't need to worry about it.

And as for me, I'm buying the Broadwell replacement to the i7-4790k as soon as it drops in the spring and a good 4k display for under $1k. I can think about 5k in a couple of years.

 

[leenak]

I'm not sure what the point is to insult people to try to get your point across.

People will buy iMac, if they don't like it, they will return it. If they like it, they will keep it. If in 2 years they want an upgrade, they will sell it and buy a new one.

I think the best policy is to not worry about what other people are doing and remember that people behind your internet screen are still people. Unless you just go around calling people idiots, it isn't the type of behavior I'd expect from an adult.

 

[tigres]

To get this to any sort of machine worth using intensely it prices north of 4k fast.
I7 and 32gb ram with the better video card and the ssd. I am not a fan of the fusion drives personally.

I am passing for a couple of years on this one. I do need a new iMac for home as I have a 2009 20". But this is simply too rich for the high end options. I do think that the base model with 8gb ram is way under powered by today's standards. The display is great, but I can't even run that on a separate machine currently.

 

[thedeske]

To get this to any sort of machine worth using intensely it prices north of 4k fast.
I7 and 32gb ram with the better video card and the ssd. I am not a fan of the fusion drives personally.

Agree, why spoil it with a Spinner

If you're careful, you can make it come in at 3400-3450. i7/4gbvid/500flash & buy it with no tax. Add 3rd party ram later

The last two I purchased (topped) were around 2990 & 3325, so..?

 

[tigres]

Agree, why spoil it with a Spinner

If you're careful, you can make it come in at 3400-3450. i7/4gbvid/500flash & buy it with no tax. Add 3rd party ram later

The last two I purchased (topped) were around 2990 & 3325, so..?

I thought ram upgrade was no option now. Been out of the scene on these lately. But isn't it a bitch to open these?

 

[thedeske]

I thought ram upgrade was no option now. Been out of the scene on these lately. But isn't it a bitch to open these?

The 27 has Ram access

 

[leenak]

You can read the iFixit teardown or you can also read the instructions on apple site to upgrade the RAM. It looks easy enough, push a button and there you go.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5540

 

[metanoiapi]

I'm not sure what the point is to insult people to try to get your point across.

People will buy iMac, if they don't like it, they will return it. If they like it, they will keep it. If in 2 years they want an upgrade, they will sell it and buy a new one.

I think the best policy is to not worry about what other people are doing and remember that people behind your internet screen are still people. Unless you just go around calling people idiots, it isn't the type of behavior I'd expect from an adult.

You're absolutely right of course. I've noticed this behavior too; I wish I could pinpoint the cause. bad economy? technology that has eroded a bit of our humanity? new found fears based on terrorism and biological threats?

All of these are stress factors and maybe that stress is coming out in various ways.

I'm also getting tired of the nay-sayers who want to put down our excitiment over a new product launch. They dis everything about the product, claiming there experts but forgetting all of the hard work that went into making it in the first place.

Sure are a lot of haters out there - I just don't get it.

 

[Lifequest]

Not at all. But there's a reason most AOIs have cheap displays and cheap price tags. I'm not criticizing AOIs in general, but putting a supper expensive display in on is asinine.



Sure I can. Except that the second I let the iMac have an advantage in any area you're going to say my machine isn't as good. If I have to meet or beat every single thing about the iMac and I don't get point for a faster machine, more internal storage, more ram, more USB, etc, then no you're right. But it's a silly argument you're making.

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True....and this is the idiocy of your whole point of view. You don't need to buy it today. Fine go buy your $4000 iMac. The people with brains will buy a 5k screen next spring and laugh at you and your machine that stutters scrolling text.



Never said it did. I said it would drive a 5k screen well. You have a point about connecting to it, but by the time the 5k screens hit the market, that problem will be solved. I don't need to worry about it.

And as for me, I'm buying the Broadwell replacement to the i7-4790k as soon as it drops in the spring and a good 4k display for under $1k. I can think about 5k in a couple of years.

Oh god, this is like saying, I can get spare wheels, a steering wheel and some mutated sort of car-body frame and frankenstein together something because the reasonably priced BMW, which costs 10% more than a Toyota is going to depreciate next spring.
What amuses me is that you're sitting so high on this horse of-an-argument that you can't even see it's an ass.

Okay...right. You wait until next spring buddy. But the point of the thread is a 5k quality computer that works. Simple.
There is nothing on the market that comes close, properly designed or frankensteined.

 

[Oracle1729]

Oh god, this is like saying, I can get spare wheels, a steering wheel and some mutated sort of car-body frame and frankenstein together something because the reasonably priced BMW,

No it's not. And that post shows you're way too ignorant about computers to even waste my time with. I'm done on this thread.

 

[FredT2]

No it's not. And that post shows you're way too ignorant about computers to even waste my time with. I'm done on this thread.

Thank goodness.

 

[potatis]

With fusion drive added, the standard 27" is just $300-500 cheaper than the retina 27", which has additional stuff besides the better screen. But perhaps its much money for a computer to begin with.

 

[johnnyturbouk]

ROFL? Where do you get that BS? The Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" will be $2500. Any $1000 PC will out spec the top-end $4000 iMac in every way. And in a couple of years you can attach a new $1000 box to the same screen.

So Dell Ultrasharp 5k 27" for $2500 is good. iMac Retina for $2500 is rip-off garbage for idiots and suckers who can't think more than 2 days into the future.

Complete idiotic remark
Miss the old days of the down vote

 

[DerekS]

Complete idiotic remark
Miss the old days of the down vote

Yep, it's clear that guy is just trolling. It's a Mac board filled with Mac people who are excited about their new iMacs. Target rich environment for a ******** PC troll.

 

[quickcalibre]

Because non-apple people compare apple products to mass produced cheap quality products and expect the prices to be the same.

Often, not even comparing the same product with the same resolution or as powerful hardware.

 

[alimoore]

Do u think Apple will bring on a retina Cinema Display to go along with Mac Pro. Really really thought they would update the one they have.