I give Jobs 3 to 4 years

[IJ Reilly]

Generally in Medicine, the diagnosis of cancer (malignancy) instantly reduces your lifespan to 5-10 years, no matter where it arises and regardless of treatment success. In most cases it's less than that. Treating cancer with the options available today is pretty much a losing battle hence all the funding, research and effort in trying to detect it early (Pap smear and PR) and in preventing it in the first place (stop smoking!!). Having said that, there always are exceptions.
Basically, if the doctor says you've got cancer, you're screwed one way or the other.

Untrue, if only because of the scores of types of cancers, the vast differences in the rates of mortality they cause, the vast differences in success with early detection and treatment, among other factors that don't lend themselves to your statistical nonsense.

The statistical reduction in lifespan is due primarily to mortality rates in the first few years after diagnoses and treatment of the most difficult types of cancers. After a number of years of being cancer-free, a person's chances of getting it again are no more than the general population. They can expect to live as long as anyone else.

 

[spikespike]

Seems to make sense that "You have x number of days to live" diagnoses would skew the spectrum and result in a perhaps scarier picture.

 

[iMacmatician]

With that kind of critical insight, you should work for the CIA. They'd love to know when bin Laden is gonna die.

I saw this old lady once, she was like walking around and stuff, and then I remembered my grandmother, who died, so now I know the old lady will die too because my grandmother was an old lady and stuff, like.

Why worry, then?? Like you said, there's always Mayor Reason to cover up his condition! We'll be fine!

But what if Mayor Reason gets cancer too!? What will we do then!?!

You guy's are great hahah. I wonder is mayor reason has any sexual relations with his secretary?

You guys crack me up! Funniest thread I've read in a long time.

I tried quimotheraphy once, it was actually kinda fun.

What's it like?

 

[redAPPLE]

I tried quimotheraphy once, it was actually kinda fun.

but never try emotherapy... it is painful i tell you...

 

[IJ Reilly]

Seems to make sense that "You have x number of days to live" diagnoses would skew the spectrum and result in a perhaps scarier picture.

Of course. The mortality rate for people diagnosed with Stage Four brain cancer is much, much higher than the mortality rate for people diagnosed with Stage One colon cancer. Not making distinctions between low-grade operable or otherwise treatable cancers and aggressive, advanced types is uninformed nonsense.

In Steve Jobs' case, we don't know much about the statistical survival numbers for his type of cancer, but we do know that the further away he gets from his primary treatment, the greater the chance becomes that he will not see the disease again. I think Jobs needs to be more upfront with where his health stands, but I also think many people are being amazingly ghoulish. They certainly fail to appreciate the severity of the treatment he has undergone, and assume his less than healthy appearance signals his almost imminent demise. The man has had his innards rearranged. Try to imagine for a moment what this implies before making yet another ignorant statement about him being on death's door. Enough already!

 

[dmr727]

Basically, if the doctor says you've got cancer, you're screwed one way or the other.

Tell that to Lance.

 

[Schtumple]

I give Jobs 16 - 17 years

Do I have Phd in medicine? No
Am I a doctor? No
Do I have any knowledge in the world of human biology? No
Can I predict the future? No
Should this thread and the OP's first comment be taken seriously? No

I think I'm done.

 

[IJ Reilly]

Tell that to Lance.

Tell that to anyone who has survived cancer. Not all of them are celebrities.

 

[lofight]

The doctor told my Grandmother (okay, two doctors, actually) that she'd be dead from cancer "in two years"... which was about 15 years ago - and she's still alive.

If you really think he's going to be gone, put a huge bet on it. Otherwise, I wouldn't worry.

My grandmother had cancer too. It was treated and she lived 16 years untill it came back. Got treated again and it then came back after 2 months. She passen away 3 years ago.

 

[Melrose]

My grandmother had cancer too. It was treated and she lived 16 years untill it came back. Got treated again and it then came back after 2 months. She passen away 3 years ago.

That's good to hear. The will to live has got an awful lot to do with surviving anything: cancer, plane crash, tonsillitis, etc. In her case, my grandmother is truly an 'old timer' - if she wasn't as crotchety as she is I really think she would've been gone long before now. And I mean that in a good way... her attitude has kept her alive and still living on her own a long time.

--
And if the doctor tells you you've got cancer, it doesn't mean you're 'screwed one way or the other' it just means you've got to a get a second opinion and make up your mind you're going to beat it. I know, easier said than done, but still...

 

[IJ Reilly]

And if the doctor tells you you've got cancer, it doesn't mean you're 'screwed one way or the other' it just means you've got to a get a second opinion and make up your mind you're going to beat it. I know, easier said than done, but still...

Second opinions are good to have, but that's not the point at all. The important thing to be understood here is, any person's chance of beating the disease depends almost entirely on the type, location and stage of the cancer. Some forms are highly treatable, others not. The range is vast. This fact is way more important than any doctor's opinion -- or what's in the person's mind.

 

[Melrose]

Granted, in many cases the original prognosis is correct. However, I've known doctors either myself or close friends who have made mistakes (at times serious) when diagnosing illness. Get a second opinion.

 

[OutThere]

quimotheraphy

Any relation to quaaludes?

 

[IJ Reilly]

Granted, in many cases the original prognosis is correct. However, I've known doctors either myself or close friends who have made mistakes (at times serious) when diagnosing illness. Get a second opinion.

As I said, second opinions are good to have, essential even. But my point was that the big survivability issues depend almost entirely on what you've got, not a doctor's opinion about it.

 

[Cheffy Dave]

I didn't watch the last keynote until today after my girlfriend told me Jobs looked very sick I took a look later on. I can tell Jobs has cancer and he is under Chemotheraphy. My father suffered from cancer and he looked just like Jobs 3 years before he passed away, the same with some relatives.

I am worry about that because Jobs=Apple. Even Microsoft is not doing well without Gates, the difference is that Steve Jobs is an example to fallow in the corporate industry worldwide.

But just wanted to point out I do not see Jobs around in a year from now.

Looks don't mean anything, corrected your SP

 

[r1ch4rd]

No, really? It will obviously have a huge effect on the stock,

For exactly this reason you would get sued for saying Mr Jobs had cancer (with absolutely no evidence) in a newspaper.

 

[lofight]

That's good to hear. The will to live has got an awful lot to do with surviving anything: cancer, plane crash, tonsillitis, etc. In her case, my grandmother is truly an 'old timer' - if she wasn't as crotchety as she is I really think she would've been gone long before now. And I mean that in a good way... her attitude has kept her alive and still living on her own a long time.

--
And if the doctor tells you you've got cancer, it doesn't mean you're 'screwed one way or the other' it just means you've got to a get a second opinion and make up your mind you're going to beat it. I know, easier said than done, but still...

She had lot's of will, but in the end she knew it was time... Chemo didn't have anymore sense. So she was transported to her home, to pass out there, with a beautiful view.

 

[Much Ado]

Steve Jobs is only ill if you're a FUD-spreading hedge fund having fun shorting AAPL.

 

[gregdrummeraz]

Steve Jobs is only ill if you're a FUD-spreading hedge fund having fun shorting AAPL.

I know, off topic but hedge funds are the only reason there is all this speculation still happening and still news. We know he is sick. They are pumping the shres down while they short with 10k shares(or a LOT more) and they make hefty sums.

Its jacked up to the little guy... really is.

 

[Melrose]

She had lot's of will, but in the end she knew it was time... Chemo didn't have anymore sense. So she was transported to her home, to pass out there, with a beautiful view.

I know it's much easier to say than when it actually happens, but there's so much to be said for simply being home where you're comfortable, you know? I mean, if possible.

 

[Gray-Wolf]

I like the most resent Apple Special Event, September 2008. He opens with the words on screen, "Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated" was a hoot.

 

[lofight]

I know it's much easier to say than when it actually happens, but there's so much to be said for simply being home where you're comfortable, you know? I mean, if possible.

Yes indeed. My grandmother almost wasn't even aloud to die at home..

 

[Counterfit]

Tell that to Lance.

He's the one missing a nut...

What's it like?

Kinda like the best jaccuzzi ever, while having a decent buzz from your drink (or drug I supopse) of choice.