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I Give Up On Mavericks

Thank you costabunny

costabunny said:
IF you have it in the App Store you can still download the installer and then make a USB stick for it.
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Yup, It's there.

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Looks like I may have to go back to SL and then reinstall ML from the Mac App store. I'm a bit skittish about that. Maybe I will hold off and see what the Mavericks updates are like first.
 
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My macbook '08 today started its fans in the middle of the night for no reason while it was in sleep mode. I opened the lid it had a black screen , pressing the power button did not do any thing. I had to pull out the battery.

I hope this is an issue that will be fixed soon... in 5 years owning this computer this never happened.
 
I'm not as able as most of the posters above who can describe their concerns in detail; I just know that things stop at odd times and things don't behave as they did pre-Mavericks. Yet if I shut down, leave it for a night, fire it up in the AM, chances are it will be fine for three or four hours, then....

I'd do a clean install, but I have no clue about doing that, nor do I understand completely what the phrase means. Yeah, I know, sell the MBP and buy several legal pads and a lot of pencils.
 
kazmac said:
Yup, It's there.

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Looks like I may have to go back to SL and then reinstall ML from the Mac App store. I'm a bit skittish about that. Maybe I will hold off and see what the Mavericks updates are like first.
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If you want to go back to ML why wouldn't you just download it and do a clean install? Why would you need Snow Leopard?
 
kazmac said:
since my machine came with SL, I thought had to go back and do a clean install of SL first and then reinstall ML over that?

I've yet to find accurate instructions regarding this. :eek:
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No, you don't need to do that. Just boot from the ML install drive you built.
 
Chazz08 said:
False. You ignore what I said previously. Good job.
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Then prove my evidence wrong instead of just screaming falsities. I provided several good examples of Apple's x.0 software being buggy. All you're saying now is that I'm wrong and that I'm ignoring what you've posted.

Say what you want. x.0 software off anybody is more likley to be bugger than the future updates. It isn't an excuse. Its a reality. And it isn't just Apple who are guilty of letting it happen.

But feel free to actually try and prove me wrong instead of just stating that I am.
 
roadbloc said:
Then prove my evidence wrong instead of just screaming falsities. I provided several good examples of Apple's x.0 software being buggy. All you're saying now is that I'm wrong and that I'm ignoring what you've posted.

Say what you want. x.0 software off anybody is more likley to be bugger than the future updates. It isn't an excuse. Its a reality. And it isn't just Apple who are guilty of letting it happen.

But feel free to actually try and prove me wrong instead of just stating that I am.
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Everything you just said to me I could say to you. You didn't offer any evidence whatsoever. I'm not screaming "falsities" either. I'm stating the fact that it's a lame excuse when all they did was "optimize" the OS. I never once said the other OSes didn't have bugs, but they didn't have as many or as bad. Fact.
 
Sorry to hear that.

As a part of Apple's Software Development team, I am really sorry to hear this.

Could you post the technical specifications of the computer you are running OS X Mavericks? If so I could has how you how to make Mavericks run a bit better but it all depends on the version of Macintosh you have

Thanks,

Cam.
 
cammyg123 said:
As a part of Apple's Software Development team, I am really sorry to hear this.

Could you post the technical specifications of the computer you are running OS X Mavericks? If so I could has how you how to make Mavericks run a bit better but it all depends on the version of Macintosh you have

Thanks,

Cam.
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Uh... Mavericks sucks, what other specs do you need? lolz, jk... but no, really, it sucks... a lot.

I have tons of random issues, I seem to find more and more each day/week. I had to reinstall Mavericks last night because ONLY my downloads folder would open and flicker and not let me click anything in it. I tried changing views, rebooting, reset SMC/PRAM, verify disk, repair disk, delete all files in the folder with terminal, nothing worked. I had to completely reinstall Mavericks to get it to stop.
 
cammyg123 said:
As a part of Apple's Software Development team, I am really sorry to hear this.

Could you post the technical specifications of the computer you are running OS X Mavericks? If so I could has how you how to make Mavericks run a bit better but it all depends on the version of Macintosh you have

Thanks,

Cam.
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would you know why my macbook started working on its own at night while it was in sleep mode?
 
Orlandoech.com said:
Uh... Mavericks sucks, what other specs do you need? lolz, jk... but no, really, it sucks... a lot.

I have tons of random issues, I seem to find more and more each day/week. I had to reinstall Mavericks last night because ONLY my downloads folder would open and flicker and not let me click anything in it. I tried changing views, rebooting, reset SMC/PRAM, verify disk, repair disk, delete all files in the folder with terminal, nothing worked. I had to completely reinstall Mavericks to get it to stop.
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I agree with you, it does have a large amount of random issues. Hopefully a software update can soon be released to fix these issue.

I feel that Apple is always so focused on iOS these days, that it seems they haven't taken the time out to work on a quality operating system that simply works.

Anyways, I agree 100% that Mavericks was a real let down. But we have to remember, it's still a fairly new OS and needs time work the kinks out. No OS is perfect right off the first boot, but if given time, they can become something great.
 
cammyg123 said:
Anyways, I agree 100% that Mavericks was a real let down. But we have to remember, it's still a fairly new OS and needs time work the kinks out. No OS is perfect right off the first boot, but if given time, they can become something great.
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Unfortunately TIME is something that Apple or its shareholders do not give a damn. They wanna rush things by going annual cycles. Look at Tiger. 10.4.11. That's 11 maintenance updates. Snow Leopard 10.6.8, that's 8 updates. They're both very stable and less bugs. Lion and Mountain Lion however are both half-baked at .5 updates. Do you think they will weed out the bugs completely by 10.9.5...? By then I bet it is still buggier than 10.6.8... :mad:
 
Chazz08 said:
Everything you just said to me I could say to you. You didn't offer any evidence whatsoever.
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Only several articles/webpages showing examples of my point. You know, x.0 releases from Apple being a bit buggy. Where are you examples showing me otherwise?

I'm not screaming "falsities" either. I'm stating the fact that it's a lame excuse when all they did was "optimize" the OS.
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Did you even watch the keynote? Mavericks has an entirely new way of RAM management. It has an entirely new way it handles multiple monitors. It has a completely new way it manages battery power. These are more than optimizations. Most often than not, it is the releases that changes the underpinnings of an OS that are the buggy ones.
OS X 10.0 - First OS X - Buggy.
OS X 10.4 - First OS X on Intel processors - Buggy. (on Intel obviously).
OS X 10.6 - Total rewrite of OS X for new hardware with new software technologies - Buggy. (until about 10.6.3).
And you can probably add every 10.x.0 release to the buggy list. I remember both Panther and Lion being rather unstable for me on release.

I never once said the other OSes didn't have bugs, but they didn't have as many or as bad. Fact.
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You clearly never used OS X 10.0. That release was total dog poo. Mavericks doesn't even come close to as bad the first OS X release was. Saying the word fact doesn't make it one.

You're going to have to face it. New software has a habit of being buggy. Mavericks may be a bit more buggy than you've become accustomed to for new software off Apple, but chill. They'll fix it. By 10.9.3 they will have most likely fixed the majority of complaints.
 
This really sounds odd to me, I'm running Mavericks on a 2013 iMac and a 2013 rMBP and haven't had any issues at all on either of them.

The only thing I don't like so far is the re-purposing of tags. I used to use them to quickly identify subfolders within a crowded folder. I can't do that any more...
 
Exactly Correct.

Eithanius said:
Unfortunately TIME is something that Apple or its shareholders do not give a damn. They wanna rush things by going annual cycles. Look at Tiger. 10.4.11. That's 11 maintenance updates. Snow Leopard 10.6.8, that's 8 updates. They're both very stable and less bugs. Lion and Mountain Lion however are both half-baked at .5 updates. Do you think they will weed out the bugs completely by 10.9.5...? By then I bet it is still buggier than 10.6.8... :mad:
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That's exactly right, for Apple to have a stable update, it can take a few rounds of updates to really be stable. Hopefully they can kill a lot of bugs by 10.9.2, but that isn't very Apple-like.

My hope is that Apple takes a break from iOS, and can work on a stable update to the Mac OS X systems. Wishful thinking?

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roadbloc said:
You're going to have to face it. New software has a habit of being buggy. Mavericks may be a bit more buggy than you've become accustomed to for new software off Apple, but chill. They'll fix it. By 10.9.3 they will have most likely fixed the majority of complaints.
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I agree 100% with you, roadbloc. 10.9.3 is what I feel will be the release that is very stable. Apple's new way of processing RAM, and multiple monitors, and battery life, will all new time to work seamlessly without any problems.
 
Jamiednm said:
This really sounds odd to me, I'm running Mavericks on a 2013 iMac and a 2013 rMBP and haven't had any issues at all on either of them.

The only thing I don't like so far is the re-purposing of tags. I used to use them to quickly identify subfolders within a crowded folder. I can't do that any more...
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You mean you haven't NOTICED any issues, because bugs/issues exists. Most notably the beachball issue and Finder issues.
 
Jamiednm said:
This really sounds odd to me, I'm running Mavericks on a 2013 iMac and a 2013 rMBP and haven't had any issues at all on either of them.

The only thing I don't like so far is the re-purposing of tags. I used to use them to quickly identify subfolders within a crowded folder. I can't do that any more...
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It kind of baffles me too since there are limited hardware configurations OS-X has to run on. I have had no issues (and no beach balls) on my rMBP and surprisingly no issues except for a bit of RAM strain on my 2008 iMac running with only 2GB of RAM. I'm sure there is a reason others have problems, but I really don't understand. Both of my installs were updates--not clean installs.
 
I have decided to go back to ML 10.8.5 until 10.9.2 at least.

The beach balls, finder slow downs, finder crashing, and overall finder glitches is too unbearable.


:mad::mad::mad:
 
Orlandoech.com said:
You mean you haven't NOTICED any issues, because bugs/issues exists. Most notably the beachball issue and Finder issues.
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I too have not noticed any major problems, I did have some Mail issues, nothing serious, those were fixed with the MAIL update, on the rare occasion I get the beach ball, but then only for a second or less.
So yes, Mavericks is obviously somewhat buggy, but on our two updates, nothing at all like what I read here, then again, we have pretty much current hardware, both with more than enough RAM and SSD's.
As I've expressed on this forum before, I too cannot understand why some have such major issues and others hardly any, logic tells me that it is not ALL Mavericks at fault, but perhaps a combination of hardware, existing software on a given system, mods etc. that just, as yet, do not work well with Mavericks.
 
2trout said:
I too have not noticed any major problems, I did have some Mail issues, nothing serious, those were fixed with the MAIL update, on the rare occasion I get the beach ball, but then only for a second or less.
So yes, Mavericks is obviously somewhat buggy, but on our two updates, nothing at all like what I read here, then again, we have pretty much current hardware, both with more than enough RAM and SSD's.
As I've expressed on this forum before, I too cannot understand why some have such major issues and others hardly any, logic tells me that it is not ALL Mavericks at fault, but perhaps a combination of hardware, existing software on a given system, mods etc. that just, as yet, do not work well with Mavericks.
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I have a mid-2012 rMBP 15" 2.3GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, all my firmwares/EFIs have been updated.

I have tried upgrades and clean installs with and without PRAM/SMC resets, clean installs with NO 3rd party software installs, just what comes with the OS and the issues persist. Its NOT my hardware, my hardware is fine. It works lovely on ML 10.8.5.

This is Mavericks and I understand that there ate roughly a billion or so variables with an OS, 3rd part software, hardware, etc that may or may not causes issues, but when you have gone to the lengths I have to reduce or alleviate the issue and it persist, its the OS.
 
Orlandoech.com said:
I have a mid-2012 rMBP 15" 2.3GHz, 16GB RAM, 256GB SSD, all my firmwares/EFIs have been updated.

I have tried upgrades and clean installs with and without PRAM/SMC resets, clean installs with NO 3rd party software installs, just what comes with the OS and the issues persist. Its NOT my hardware, my hardware is fine. It works lovely on ML 10.8.5.

This is Mavericks and I understand that there ate roughly a billion or so variables with an OS, 3rd part software, hardware, etc that may or may not causes issues, but when you have gone to the lengths I have to reduce or alleviate the issue and it persist, its the OS.
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well like I said.....go figure...I have no idea why.......:confused:...I feel sorry for all who are having problems, hopefully APPLE will sort it quickly
 
cammyg123 said:
As a part of Apple's Software Development team, I am really sorry to hear this.

Could you post the technical specifications of the computer you are running OS X Mavericks? If so I could has how you how to make Mavericks run a bit better but it all depends on the version of Macintosh you have

Thanks,

Cam.
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For me mid 2012 MBA 1.8GHz 4GB RAM 128 SSD. The problem for me are the momentary spinning beach balls, and some latency when clicking on something in preferences, and opening some programs.

Man, can't you guys get your minds off iOS 7 and help those of us with Macs? Every Mac site I read that's all you see iOS 7 this and that ........

I just bought this machine 7 months ago I think. It's a MBA 5,2 I bet this is one of the flawed models.

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slide023 said:
For me mid 2012 MBA 1.8GHz 4GB RAM 128 SSD. The problem for me are the momentary spinning beach balls, and some latency when clicking on something in preferences, and opening some programs.

Man, can't you guys get your minds off iOS 7 and help those of us with Macs? Every Mac site I read that's all you see iOS 7 this and that ........

I just bought this machine 7 months ago I think. It's a MBA 5,2 I bet this is one of the flawed models.

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Do you have a lot of things built up on your computer? Overloading your system with lots of useless programs and other things tends to choke your system up from time time.

I'd recommend cleaning up your system from time to time of programs and other processes that are not really needed.

Also, keeping your system running 24/7 is not such a great idea, more often than not keeping it on for hours and days has shown to show problems in just about every system. Especially MacBooks, which are overloaded more easily than iMacs. I'd recommend doing a complete shutdown of your system when it is not in usage.
 
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