I got a 10w charger with my new iPad.. wtf!?

Galacticos

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my old iPad Air came with a 12w charger.
I have since sold it with the charger and bought a 2018 ipad.

Why, oh why, oh why, have I got a 10w charger with this new iPad. It’s much! slower.
 

joeblow7777

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I’ve purchased 11 6th Gen ipads (1 for myself and 10 for my department) and they all came with 10 watt adapters.

If it’s any consolation, theoretically slower charging degrades the battery slower.
 

Galacticos

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Much slower? Really? Not exaggerating?
I realise the maths suggests it not but..

It depends whether you’re actively using it or not. I think the effective charge isn’t as simple as the amps delivered, it’s the difference between amps consumed and amps received, which makes the last or marginal 0.3 have a big impact.
[doublepost=1528524512][/doublepost]Just as an extra note, those that say you’re complaining about 2w...

Its yet another example of that ‘I’m fine with whatever’ attitude that allows Tim and his mates to make more cash with less and less innovation.

Unless of course you think animoji’s should satisfy anyone over the age of 8
 

macintoshmac

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I feel you man. Cook is just out for money. Don't know when will his greed be satisfied. I know, at this age, he should have had a more philanthropic and generous heart, but damn, the greed of business is just too enveloping. And to top that, there is no innovation happening that we are liking.

I mean, apart from the wonderful P3 display in the new MacBooks, good battery life, Touch Bar with its dynamic control options, Touch ID and Secure Enclave now on the Mac, what else have they done?

And lets not get into software. iOS 11 was a joke, iOS 12 even more so with no innovation at all. So what if it feels fast and fluid in beta 1, promises excellent performance right down to 2013 devices, and brings some features (battery graphs, better DND, Screen Time, better password management)? Bloody hell, where is Apple heading with no innovation at all!

macOS is in a similar dilapidated state. With 10.14, so what if they brought Desktop Stacks, a wonderful way to bunch up the clutter on the desktops and one that works so fluidly! So what if we can now have 3 recent apps in the Dock, dynamically changing, and this can potentially save us from launching Launchpad more frequently or typing out the name in Spotlight? So what if the memory usage was brought down by at least 2GB in beta 1, where High Sierra constantly used to eat close to 7GB standard with no programs open? Damn, they still come with 8GB standard, we need 16 standard and 32 optional otherwise no innovation is happening.

So what if MAS in 10.14 now looks so much more beautiful, so less cluttered, and so more content-focussed? So what if it works so fast now! So what! We need damn innovation that we will like, man! Not innovation that will help us in any tangible-intangible way, but innovation that we will like!

I feel you, man, I feel you. This bean counting attitude of Tim Cook with creating a lottery of wattage in adapters in the pack is just the attitude that will take Apple down once day. I know. If only Jobs..


More seriously,

Return the device if those 2w are consequential to you, and learn from the experience. Make notes - checklist to ask before handing out the credit card - using any of the excellent in-built apps or third party apps - so that you can be more informed and happier with the purchase next time. This way, when you buy a new iPad, you can go through the checklist and confirm with the sales rep beforehand, what wattage ships currently. Really, for you, it is a no-brainer.

It gets more anguishing in places like India with no return window. We are stuck with what we got if we are displeased with the purchase, since we have no way of returning it.
 

Galacticos

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I feel you man. Cook is just out for money. Don't know when will his greed be satisfied. I know, at this age, he should have had a more philanthropic and generous heart, but damn, the greed of business is just too enveloping. And to top that, there is no innovation happening that we are liking.

I mean, apart from the wonderful P3 display in the new MacBooks, good battery life, Touch Bar with its dynamic control options, Touch ID and Secure Enclave now on the Mac, what else have they done?

And lets not get into software. iOS 11 was a joke, iOS 12 even more so with no innovation at all. So what if it feels fast and fluid in beta 1, promises excellent performance right down to 2013 devices, and brings some features (battery graphs, better DND, Screen Time, better password management)? Bloody hell, where is Apple heading with no innovation at all!

macOS is in a similar dilapidated state. With 10.14, so what if they brought Desktop Stacks, a wonderful way to bunch up the clutter on the desktops and one that works so fluidly! So what if we can now have 3 recent apps in the Dock, dynamically changing, and this can potentially save us from launching Launchpad more frequently or typing out the name in Spotlight? So what if the memory usage was brought down by at least 2GB in beta 1, where High Sierra constantly used to eat close to 7GB standard with no programs open? Damn, they still come with 8GB standard, we need 16 standard and 32 optional otherwise no innovation is happening.

So what if MAS in 10.14 now looks so much more beautiful, so less cluttered, and so more content-focussed? So what if it works so fast now! So what! We need damn innovation that we will like, man! Not innovation that will help us in any tangible-intangible way, but innovation that we will like!

I feel you, man, I feel you. This bean counting attitude of Tim Cook with creating a lottery of wattage in adapters in the pack is just the attitude that will take Apple down once day. I know. If only Jobs..


More seriously,

Return the device if those 2w are consequential to you, and learn from the experience. Make notes - checklist to ask before handing out the credit card - using any of the excellent in-built apps or third party apps - so that you can be more informed and happier with the purchase next time. This way, when you buy a new iPad, you can go through the checklist and confirm with the sales rep beforehand, what wattage ships currently. Really, for you, it is a no-brainer.

It gets more anguishing in places like India with no return window. We are stuck with what we got if we are displeased with the purchase, since we have no way of returning it.
Good on you for having your opinion. We obviously disagree.

I would like people to consider the relative directions Apple may have taken, not the absolute. It is a very shallow analysis saying Tim Cook has increased revenue so well done. You need to consider that he was given control of one of the worlds largest companies, with a distinct philosophy, and consider its position relative to that start.

I will overcome this ordeal. :D. It’s just an example of an inferior experience.

But to acknowledge your point, I’m still a customer.. :(
 
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BLBL

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my old iPad Air came with a 12w charger.
I have since sold it with the charger and bought a 2018 ipad.

Why, oh why, oh why, have I got a 10w charger with this new iPad. It’s much! slower.
That was my first thought at first but since that I have learned it may not be an issue at all.
I have been monitoring battery a lot after having problems with previous units battery weakening very fast, I have also kept track of charging. I noticed that even with 10W charger iPad 2018 never pulls more than around 8,5W during charging. I don't have 12W charger here so I cannot test if it would be any different with that but I doubt, since 10W is able to give you that, so why not pulling even 10W? I bet it does not make any difference in charging time whether you use 10W or 12W with 2018 model.

Anyone want to study their machine charging habits, just download Windows application called iMazing (free part of the software is enough for battery monitoring and give very detailed information about battery and charger, it even tells you the battery serial number and vendor). It would be interesting to hear what results it gives with 12W charger and iPad 2018?
 

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Charging time in theory would be 20% less with the 12W vs. the 10W but that isn't technically true since the '10W' charger is actually a 10.71W charger (5.1V x 2.1A). The '12W' charger is outputting 12.48W (5.2V x 2.4A) meaning the 12W iPad charger outputs 16.5% more power over the 10W charger and would charge the device 16.5% faster.

"After running some tests on the new 12W power adapter next to the old 10W power adapter, Insanely Great Mac found that the 12W power adapter will charge an iPad 3 or iPad 4 as much as 30-45 minutes faster."
(Source)
 

BLBL

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Yes, but all that matters, is how much device you are charging with it pulls from it. Charger does not push what ever the label says to any device, it is about how much connected device pulls.
 

macintoshmac

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Good on you for having your opinion. We obviously disagree.

I would like people to consider the relative directions Apple may have taken, not the absolute. It is a very shallow analysis saying Tim Cook has increased revenue so well done. You need to consider that he was given control of one of the worlds largest companies, with a distinct philosophy, and consider its position relative to that start.

I will overcome this ordeal. :D. It’s just an example of an inferior experience.

But to acknowledge your point, I’m still a customer.. :(
To which I said, return the device if it is in the return window. Perhaps this fall they will bring new iPads, and you will benefit from lower cost if you wish to buy a similar device again, or new technology if you feel like buying the newest ones. And, of course, you can now ask what charger it comes with. I know that with your experience I will not forget to ask the wise guys (geniuses) at the store which iPad comes with which, when I purchase an iPad.
 

rui no onna

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Return the device if those 2w are consequential to you, and learn from the experience. Make notes - checklist to ask before handing out the credit card - using any of the excellent in-built apps or third party apps - so that you can be more informed and happier with the purchase next time. This way, when you buy a new iPad, you can go through the checklist and confirm with the sales rep beforehand, what wattage ships currently. Really, for you, it is a no-brainer.
The charger shipped actually seem pretty random. Apple's shipping both 10W and 12W simultaneously. It's luck of the draw which one the place where the iPad was purchased gets and it could vary whenever the store gets a new shipment. It's possible that in the same week Best Buy Los Angeles might have received 12W, Apple Store Los Angeles 10W, Best Buy San Francisco 10W, and Apple Store San Francisco 12W.

Mind, I never actually use the packaged charger. Got too many devices and not enough power outlets to go around so I use multi-port chargers. Here's from a test I did in another thread.

So had some fun testing chargers and cables with a USB meter. Load is a 2017 iPad Pro 12.9 at 45% charge. Didn't try multiple devices. I only have one meter.

Apple 10W
Apple Lightning Cable 3ft 4.9V/2A (9.8W)
Anker Powerline+ 6ft 4.9V/2A (9.8W)
Anker Powerline+ II 6ft 4.9V/2A (9.8W)

Apple 12W
Apple Lightning Cable 3ft 5V/2.2A (11W)
Anker Powerline+ 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)
Anker Powerline+ II 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)

Anker 6-port 60W
Apple Lightning Cable 3ft 5V/2.3A (11.5W)
Anker Powerline+ 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)
Anker Powerline+ II 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)

Anker 10-port 60W
Apple Lightning Cable 3ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)
Anker Powerline+ 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)
Anker Powerline+ II 6ft 5V/2.35A (11.75W)
 

rui no onna

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I’ve got a 10W for my 12.9 iPad Pro. Don’t complain.
Yikes, seriously? Nevermind not shipping with the 29W fast charger, I would've thought 12W standard for the Pro 12.9 given battery capacity on that is around the same as the iPad 3/4. (Note: my Pro 12.9 purchased via AT&T came with 12W)
 
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BLBL

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True, but not in our case, see per the OP (iPad - 10W vs 12W charger).
As it is shown in the video the iPad pulls the maxiumum.
As it is shown in the video from 2012??? That does not mean that the same thing is with every new IPad generations. As I said, my 2018 pulls only around 8,5W max. when it is charging. I had Air with 12W charger and I can’t honestly say I notice any difference in charging time between it and 2018 with 10W charger.
 

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I realise the maths suggests it not but..

It depends whether you’re actively using it or not. I think the effective charge isn’t as simple as the amps delivered, it’s the difference between amps consumed and amps received, which makes the last or marginal 0.3 have a big impact.
[doublepost=1528524512][/doublepost]Just as an extra note, those that say you’re complaining about 2w...

Its yet another example of that ‘I’m fine with whatever’ attitude that allows Tim and his mates to make more cash with less and less innovation.

Unless of course you think animoji’s should satisfy anyone over the age of 8
While i do not use an iPhone, you are 100% correct. No one should ever be complacent when it comes to buying products. This is the exact reason I don't have an iPhone. The are so many users that act like sheep, and are keeping Apple behind in value and innovation. I hate to be that guy, but jobs would handle his company much better.
 
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As it is shown in the video from 2012??? That does not mean that the same thing is with every new IPad generations. As I said, my 2018 pulls only around 8,5W max. when it is charging. I had Air with 12W charger and I can’t honestly say I notice any difference in charging time between it and 2018 with 10W charger.
You try too hard.
There is no sense in questioning the laws of physics and Apple itself (*) as it won't change anything.

(*) "Apple confirms that 12W adapter will charge iPads quicker than older 10W adapters".
 

JPack

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Apple has bundled a 10W or 12W power adapter since iPad 2. It has always been luck of the draw. That hasn’t changed.

Apple dual-sources their iPad power adapters from two companies, Foxlink and Flextronics. One of them has 10W design while the other produces 12W.
 
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