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Not sure if this is the appropriate forum but given its focus is on older systems I thought I would express my frustration here.

Trying to review a new car and on the J.D. Power website reading information about it. Every 30 seconds the page refreshes! Which means I'm reading along and boom! A page refresh causes me to lose my place and I have to relocate the information I was just reading. By the time I do that I read another partial or, if lucky, another sentence and boom! A page refresh. This is ridiculous! It's like you're reading a book, someone comes and rips it out of your hands, and then hands it back to you. Only to repeat the process again.

Also what's with the cookie alerts? Yeah, I know...it's a rhetorical question. Does anyone actually do anything other than click dismiss, OK, or what have you so they can move on to the content. This is with almost every website these days.

Have website developers forgotten what the purpose of a website is for? To convey information. I remember the good old days when one could go to a website and actually read the content without annoying interruptions. The J.D. Power website is one of the worst I've ever experienced. The constant, frequent refreshes make if almost impossible to keep a train of thought.

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Yes I experience the same thing and it's very annoying. The web has changed allot over the years and not for the better in everything.
 
I'm getting a bit off topic here, but that sort of thing really annoys me. When Apple first announced Mac OS X twenty-something years ago, one of the headline features was something like "since it's Unix, a rogue app can't take the whole system down". Over the years Apple's managed to "break" the OS so much that we're back in the land of apps killing the whole OS again.
Yes that happened ALLOT during the pre OSX days.
 
Actually what you hate is webkit and the god awful Safari browser that is built on it. I'm sure that website will work fine in Chrome.
Possibly (though it seems the problem is no longer present).

That said this is but one example of issues I have with the modern web. It was so annoying I just had to post about it.
 
I'm getting a bit off topic here, but that sort of thing really annoys me. When Apple first announced Mac OS X twenty-something years ago, one of the headline features was something like "since it's Unix, a rogue app can't take the whole system down". Over the years Apple's managed to "break" the OS so much that we're back in the land of apps killing the whole OS again.

If something like this is happening then there's a bug in the OS (or one of the kernel space resources) that needs to be addressed. One thing it's not is like MacOS days.
 
Possibly (though it seems the problem is no longer present).

That said this is but one example of issues I have with the modern web. It was so annoying I just had to post about it.
There is nothing wrong with the web. There is a LOT wrong with webkit and Safari.
 
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I often wonder what percentage of our data usage actually goes towards displaying relevant content, rather than all the garbage needed to support advertising.
 
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Old MR members:
“Backing up to the cloud has brought my Mac to a grinding halt! I go on the web for support, and Safari grinds my Mac to a halt! It wasn’t always like this!”
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Zoomer: lmao cringe

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Actually what you hate is webkit and the god awful Safari browser that is built on it. I'm sure that website will work fine in Chrome.

It might work fine in Chrome, but Google didn't make Chrome to be nice. They made it to collect your data. To Google and Facebook (Apple to some extent falls into this also) YOU ARE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD AND NOT THE CONSUMER.
 
Possibly (though it seems the problem is no longer present).

That said this is but one example of issues I have with the modern web. It was so annoying I just had to post about it.
Install ad blocker. Browsing modern web without it is painful.
 
It might work fine in Chrome, but Google didn't make Chrome to be nice. They made it to collect your data. To Google and Facebook (Apple to some extent falls into this also) YOU ARE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD AND NOT THE CONSUMER.
Yeah OK. Meanwhile, it's just a web browser. And it works. Unlike webkit. None of these entities are your friend. And none of them are going to murder you in your sleep with your browser history either. Relax.
 
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Don’t stop at just Google and Facebook…

Very true. Apple does this to an extent also. They aren't 100% innocent.

Yeah OK. Meanwhile, it's just a web browser. And it works. Unlike webkit. None of these entities are your friend. And none of them are going to murder you in your sleep with your browser history either. Relax.

It's just a web browser that gathers data on everything you do and sends it to a third party. Sorry, but I value my privacy and not being a product sold to the highest bidder.
 
Very true. Apple does this to an extent also. They aren't 100% innocent.



It's just a web browser that gathers data on everything you do and sends it to a third party. Sorry, but I value my privacy and not being a product sold to the highest bidder.
You don't understand it even slightly, but thats OK.
 
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It might work fine in Chrome, but Google didn't make Chrome to be nice. They made it to collect your data. To Google and Facebook (Apple to some extent falls into this also) YOU ARE THE PRODUCT BEING SOLD AND NOT THE CONSUMER.
It's just a web browser that gathers data on everything you do and sends it to a third party. Sorry, but I value my privacy and not being a product sold to the highest bidder.
You think Apple values your privacy? Sure, they aren't selling it, but don't think they do not use it to try and sell their own products to you and to other people. Apple is no white knight in this and their interest in your data isn't pure, just because they don't give it or sell it to anyone else.

Google gives you ways to opt out of things. Is it a panacea? No. But if you want true privacy you're going to need to stay off the internet.

That said, Chrome and Safari are not the only browsers out there. I am typing this on a 2009 MacPro using the latest version of Vivaldi.

You've got Opera, Edge, Brave, Firefox and a bunch of others out there too. Brave even markets themselves as guarding your privacy.

Lots of Apple users trust Safari - that's fine. But for me, it's been garbage on everything I've ever used it on. And I won't even get into it's complete lack of customization options.
 
You think Apple values your privacy? Sure, they aren't selling it, but don't think they do not use it to try and sell their own products to you and to other people. Apple is no white knight in this and their interest in your data isn't pure, just because they don't give it or sell it to anyone else.

Google gives you ways to opt out of things. Is it a panacea? No. But if you want true privacy you're going to need to stay off the internet.

That said, Chrome and Safari are not the only browsers out there. I am typing this on a 2009 MacPro using the latest version of Vivaldi.

You've got Opera, Edge, Brave, Firefox and a bunch of others out there too. Brave even markets themselves as guarding your privacy.

Lots of Apple users trust Safari - that's fine. But for me, it's been garbage on everything I've ever used it on. And I won't even get into it's complete lack of customization options.

Put another way:

No company needs individual usage data. Every company online, however, wants individual usage data to advance their investors’ own quarterly statements. 🗑️ & 🚽. A company selling a product’s usage data and doubling down on planned obsolescence make their investors individually pleased.

We (wide stroke brush “we”) seldom stop to review ourselves and our everyday actions on whether this is the world we actually hope to bequeath to humanity’s descendants, but this world is nevertheless the one we’ve ended up deserving by our own hand. We downplay her, yet Mother Nature keeps her ledger, and her ledger will, in the end, balance itself — whether or not our species remains a part of it.

Get off my lawn Come visit my easement garden.
 
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That said, Chrome and Safari are not the only browsers out there. I am typing this on a 2009 MacPro using the latest version of Vivaldi.

Most times I’m on Firefox.
But if you want true privacy you're going to need to stay off the internet.

Curious Post Script—Except for streaming, I’ve noticed less and less “internet time” from me. Most times when streaming, it tends to be PlutoTV.

Second Curious Post Script—I do also watch live UKTV through Skycards.eu. My old MAG Box from a previous service came in handy for this.
 
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Ultimately though, the web is a burning trash heap
I stupidly thought the potential of the web was so great it eclipsed the potential of human crappiness. Being a bicentennial boy, I saw enough of the public adoption of the web to think that, for as bad as the companies & organizations could be, they'll never corrupt the free wide open west of the entire web. Everyone will continue to make their funky websites by hand and fill them with interdasting content and the great patchwork quilt of humanity will blah blah blah. Jokes on me. The web is nothing more than an e-commerce market crossed with an authoritarian honey pot. Took less than one adult lifetime to completely go from a DIY nerd heaven to an utter dump.
 
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Here's the exact website I am having problems with while viewing it on my iPad Air 4:

I'm using Firefox 109 for macOS and no involuntary refresh.
 
Ah, my phone is jam-packed and cannot accommodate any further apps - hence my reliance on the TFL site when indoors. I actually find the low-tech method of sending an SMS to TFL requesting the bus times on my street and for bus stops in general to be fast and simple. My network contract provides unlimited SMS' so that's a perfect solution for me.

One possible (off-topic) alternative, if you haven't already tried it: Maps has the ability to 'favourite' public transport lines and this should show you upcoming times on that line.
 
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There are plenty of people who expect the web to be more personal, excitement-driven, "people-first," "user-centered," et cetera, as it was before larger corporations came to regard it as a critical frontier. I try to support this by maintaining and operating socially from a personal site, bookmarking others' sites rather than connecting on for-profit social media platforms, subscribing to their feeds, interacting with them, seeking and promoting open source software where good work is being done well, and so on. I still use "social media" and online markets as tools, but I try to regard them more strictly as tools.

(I don't know off-hand what the heck was happening with the automatic refreshing on the site you mentioned, but yes, it seems reasonable to hypothesize it's a by-product of web design with less humanistic priorities.)
 
Well, if you hate the Modern Web, don´t use it.
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Analog Riot Front.
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I had no problems,viewing the side with TFF-Last Version.
Only problem was this:
--- Two models that sparked the crossover SUV trend.!!! ---
Who the f..k needs a car, big as a tank ?
My car is my castle ???
Never Mind, Punk+Love

tat

ps.
The 2023 Outback lineup breaks down into standard and turbocharged XT models.
The standard Outback comes in Base, Premium, Onyx Edition, Limited, and Touring trim levels,
while the Outback XT is available in Onyx Edition, Wilderness, Limited, and Touring trim.
Prices range from $28,395 to $42,295, plus the $1,225 destination charge.
???!!!
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Wilderness ?
Or Limited Wilderness ?
Big daddy is drivin´the car/tank fast trough the ghetto.
Soilant Green is calling.
 
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I guess I've become a bit desensitised to a lot of what you see these days, but I just ran into something more egregious than usual. I was tidying up the kitchen and noticed that my sieve had bits of broccoli stuck in it. "How do you clean a sieve properly?" I wonder.

The page I ended up on was a great example of how bad things have become. First, I got a "popup" in the middle of the page telling me that their privacy policy has recently changed. When I closed that, I got a message at the bottom of the window, filling about a third of the screen, begging that I subscribe to their newsletter. Closing that opened an autoplaying "featured video" that had no relation to cleaning a sieve. Only after getting rid of that was I finally able to read the "how to clean a sieve" article.

The first two paragraphs of the article started blathering on about what a sieve is and why I should have one in my kitchen. Only the third through fifth paragraphs actually covered the headline topic. We then go through six paragraphs of unrelated nonsense including what random social media people think, and then by this point some sort of timer expired and caused yet another "subscribe to the newsletter" thing to pop up.

Why do we put up with this rubbish?
 
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