No one's saying it isn't there. It definitely is a matter of using the right tool for the job. If any company's product doesn't work for you then switch to one that does. I mean, you can gripe or you can do something about it. Decide what's most important to you -- functionality or the brand.
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I have a $1000 dollar phone that cant switch apps without reloading & losing my work
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It would be nice if Apple let us see our RAM usage by default. Windows Phone doesn't show me either. Hopefully, Apple will finally increase it to 2 GB.
For me to post here with iOS, I have to type it on the Notes app first. I am afraid of losing it in the message box in case I check another app. As Apple increases functionality and bloat with iOS and apps get more resource hungry, more RAM is needed. Simple as that.
Apple DIDN'T FUTURE PROOF the 6/6+ enough. Wait for the 6s/6s+ and it might help rectify your current flawed situation. For non-techies or light users, owning a 6/6+ can last beyond 2+ years or when the battery degrades enough when you can't accept it anymore. But getting a spec bump with something important like RAM will add more longevity. The current iPhone 6/6+ will start showing more of its flaws once a heavier iOS10 and iOS11 hit. Crashes, lag, etc. 1 GB RAM = not enough FUTURE PROOF.
Apple and many have to realize but want to justify their iPhone purchases is we can't be stuck on 1 GB forever. Android had that same amount of RAM in 2011. I know iOS is lighter and better optimized but Apple shouldn't be stalling...
For me to post here with iOS, I have to type it on the Notes app first. I am afraid of losing it in the message box in case I check another app. As Apple increases functionality and bloat with iOS and apps get more resource hungry, more RAM is needed. Simple as that.
Apple DIDN'T FUTURE PROOF the 6/6+ enough. Wait for the 6s/6s+ and it might help rectify your current flawed situation. For non-techies or light users, owning a 6/6+ can last beyond 2+ years or when the battery degrades enough when you can't accept it anymore. But getting a spec bump with something important like RAM will add more longevity. The current iPhone 6/6+ will start showing more of its flaws once a heavier iOS10 and iOS11 hit. Crashes, lag, etc. 1 GB RAM = not enough FUTURE PROOF.
Apple and many have to realize but want to justify their iPhone purchases is we can't be stuck on 1 GB forever. Android had that same amount of RAM in 2011. I know iOS is lighter and better optimized but Apple shouldn't be stalling...
Tear downs, reviews and user experiences generally come out very quickly after the release of a new iPhone. I believe the RAM issue was discussed even *prior* to release quite extensively. That's enough time to return an iPhone for a full refund before committing to it even if you bought on release day.
You simply can't rely on an individual users experience too much. Some will swear on their mother's grave that 1GB of RAM doesn't make a difference while others will say the opposite. I don't think either perspective is wrong, just that there seems to be an inability to perceive that people use devices differently--and not necessarily unreasonably.
What's more telling is how often a particular issue is raised in a forum like this--and the RAM problem has been raised consistently in several multi-page threads repeatedly and not by the same people either.
Conversely, an initial issue with people's hair getting caught in the seam of the screen(hairgate!) died off after a few short threads. I would say this is not an issue for many people.
You simply can't rely on an individual users experience too much. Some will swear on their mother's grave that 1GB of RAM doesn't make a difference while others will say the opposite. I don't think either perspective is wrong, just that there seems to be an inability to perceive that people use devices differently--and not necessarily unreasonably.
What's more telling is how often a particular issue is raised in a forum like this--and the RAM problem has been raised consistently in several multi-page threads repeatedly and not by the same people either.
Conversely, an initial issue with people's hair getting caught in the seam of the screen(hairgate!) died off after a few short threads. I would say this is not an issue for many people.
The iPhone 5 is 32Bit and consequently uses less RAM. Therefore it behaves as if it has more RAM than the 6+ because more RAM is available to it for apps and browser tabs etc.
As for your app explanation, even the stock apps reload. I use the Notes app several times per day, amending a long running note and it reloads several times per day. It is a PITA having to scroll down it all the time.
So please at least post what apps you are talking about, so that a reasonable and civil discussion can take place. Just throwing something out there like this, and not coming back makes it look like a troll.
Oh, and I have a 6 plus, and also do not experience the issues cited here. I have over 70 apps loaded, and have never lost work in any of them.
This is true. On KitKat the Note 4 doesn't refresh like that ... However my point was that it still shows the iPhone 6+ isn't anything like as bad as the OP painted in his opening post. That all devices can reload / refresh whether they have 1gb or 3gb - no one is immune
Basically the grass isn't always greener on the other-side
if the app needed to reload - it would regardless. The phone performs exactly the same way when used as my daily driver - which it currently is; I switched back to my 6+ when I rolled back to kitkat, and kept it as my daily driver as I decide whether to keep at kitkat on the Note 4 or go to the new lollipop update that rolled out to the Netherlands a few days ago.
well, that is a low bar, but okay.
what work are you losing?
what work were you able to do on the 4 or 5 that you can't do on the 6?
right about what? That they would like more memory? That isn't a right or wrong thing, that is a preference. Given the sales of these phones, it is clear that Apple hit a sweet spot with this phone - a sweet spot that is about 75,000,000 phones wide.
Sales don't equate to 100% buyer satisfaction. All of us complaining about the lack of RAM bought one too...
A heck of a lot of people buy Apple products blind. They expect them to be good, especially considering the price. Also, if your iPhone 4 and iPhone 5 didn't reload tabs and apps at the drop of a hat, why would you expect the 6+ to?
YES THEY DO! We live in a world of social media, internet news and online forums where people will constantly complain even if their issues doesn't extend to many other's experiences.
It takes very little to get the word around and sales will drop. They Haven't. The 6Plus has been one of the most successful-selling iPhones in the history of the iPhone and it's continuing to be. Deal with it, most people outside of these forums are not babbling about ram all day. Forums are in the minority. If the bend-gate campaign couldn't stop the 6Plus from selling then the majority of customers are satisfied. Sorry.
YES THEY DO! We live in a world of social media, internet news and online forums where people will constantly complain even if their issues doesn't extend to many other's experiences.
It takes very little to get the word around and sales will drop. They Haven't. The 6Plus has been one of the most successful-selling iPhones in the history of the iPhone and it's continuing to be. Deal with it, most people outside of these forums are not babbling about ram all day. Forums are in the minority. Sorry.
That's as maybe, but it still has insufficient RAM and more bugs in the OS than my compost heap. Perhaps repeat sales will be down, who knows. Pure speculation.
PS I'm not babbling about RAM all day either. It's a thread about RAM.
Oh look, a straw man! Really lame try.
I never said a 100% buyer satisfaction, I said they hit a sweet spot.
There will always be whiners "oh, I want something more", whether it is on a phone that has sold over 75M units, or people whining that the Grey Poupon bottle should be a different shade, or that there are actually times you may appreciate a cupholder in a Ferrari 458.
Am I seriously asking too much if I want my iPhone 6+ to not be any worse than my old iPhone 5 when it comes to browser and app reloading? Am I? People say "ah, the iPhone obviously isn't for you" or "go get an Android phone" when all I'm saying is that the two generations older iPhone performs not just better but *much* better in this regard. The 6+ should be every bit as good as the iPhone 5 in every single respect (other than portability and one-handed use), and significantly better in some areas. I don't expect it to be horrifically worse in a key area. For some of us, browser and app reloading causes us to lose work. It isn't just a minor inconvenience.
They were right that (even with OS optimization included) 1GB would not be enough to avoid basic performance issues (at least on the 6+). Apple made a choice - perhaps because it was cheaper for them, perhaps for another reason - and that choice has proven to negatively impact the final product.
And sure, I'd be happy to give a few quick examples of work I'm losing - even if it's used more for picking apart rather than promoting "civil discussion" - that's fine.
It's true that far and away the most common reloading issue is in Safari. If I was posting this very reply, for example, and I switch tabs to copy-paste a quote or a link - I frequently return to find the entire post is now gone. Whether for comments, filling out forms, making purchases, etc. - copy-pasting (or even just checking another page for reference without copying) is a huge part of my workflow. It's a fairly basic part of any web workflow, in my opinion.
It has also occurred with quite a few other apps as well though. While I have not kept a log of all these instances, one that I run into frequently is while running. I often use runtastic to track my runs while I listen to some music or a podcast. Even just those 2 will occasionally cause a problem, but if pretty much *anything* else happens, I'll run into issues and something will shut down.
If these shut downs happened, but it asked me first if that was okay ("you're going to lose your [running data/safari input/waze navigation] if you continue. yes/no"), it would at least give me some control - but I'm really kinda flying blind and don't know I've lost something until it's too late/I lost my post/missed my turn/have to re-navigate to my place on a web page/etc./etc./etc./etc.
I've also lost work in Google Docs and other such apps without warning. And it's true - I probably do use those kinda of productivity apps slightly more than I did on my 5. But the changing of the form factor to 5.5" and the default inclusion of productivity apps is an acknowledgement of the fact that the ways people are using their phones are changing. And the external design isn't the only factor that needs to be considered in that transition. The software and hardware needs to be a part of that mix.
If you don't run into this, or you don't use your phone like this - great! I'm glad you don't have issues. But this is a design flaw and I think I should be able to expect better. And it should be okay to talk about that. The answer "well buy an Android then" seems as silly and meaningless as every other regressive "love it or leave it!" comment out there in the world.
It definitely needs better specs. The reloading of apps, even with so few open is a problem. It's still a great phone but such performance isn't Apple-like. I've come to expect better from them.
It's not a "design flaw". It's "you're not happy with the specifications".
For the vast majority of people (myself included, and I would consider myself to be a power user) it's absolutely fine. Throwing more RAM at something doesn't automatically make it work better or future proof it.
How do you know you lost data in google docs because of only having 1gb of RAM in the phone? If anything, it's probably poor programming on Google's part. The app is aware when you've switched, and it's aware when it's background processing has run out - and should do whatever is needed to save it's state. These APIs are all provided. If developers are lazy and don't bother taking al user scenarios into account and protecting their users' data - that isn't apple's fault.
You seem hell bent on blaming Apple because you've had problems with some apps. My 6+ has been fine - I don't notice any lag when switching apps, and it's the best phone I've ever owned.
If it had 2GB, people would complain that it didn't have 3. If it had 3GB, people would complain it didn't have 4. If it had 4GB people would complain it didn't have 8. You get the picture. We've been beating the "more memory" and "safari reloads, if only we had more ram" since the iPhone came with 256MB. We now have 4x that and we're still hearing the same crap on a daily basis.
Actually it's very "Apple-Like". The iPad Air has 1GB ram as all other iPads before it and they reloaded tabs. My iPhone 4S reloaded tabs. Nothing new from Apple.
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I think it is more of a Safari issue than the 1GB RAM. It would be nice with more, however Mercury browser survives longer without reloading.
Well said. The alternative would be for iOS to ask you every time if it can close an app. Can you imagine having to deal with "Your system is running low on RAM. Please close some apps before continuing" messages. Doubling the RAM only halves the annoyance.
How is this different on the desktop? You manage app closing yourself.
Just because something might be less issue prone than other choices, or something might be bought for various other reasons, doesn't imply everyone is satisfied completely. In reality there simply isn't such a 1-1 relationship between those two things.YES THEY DO! We live in a world of social media, internet news and online forums where people will constantly complain even if their issues doesn't extend to many other's experiences.
It takes very little to get the word around and sales will drop. They Haven't. The 6Plus has been one of the most successful-selling iPhones in the history of the iPhone and it's continuing to be. Deal with it, most people outside of these forums are not babbling about ram all day. Forums are in the minority. If the bend-gate campaign couldn't stop the 6Plus from selling then the majority of customers are satisfied. Sorry.