I have returned!

[liquidtrend]

i have a laptop with a floppy drive on it.

does that make my machine better? more user friendly?

as much as i would hate to jump into this conversation, which should have been dead long ago...

it still doesnt answer the question...on WHAT the OP NEEDED a non-mac machine for?

s-video and a fourth usb port, as well as "mini FW" (so on and so forth)

ARE NOT REQUIREMENTS for any kind of career path i could think of.

so as much as REPO is standing firm on how the dell is great because it has a fourth usb, and as much as tallest skil is explaining why the industry sucks in so many ways...

i am still curious, as to others in this thread, as to WHAT profession the OP was working on where he COULDNT use a mac.



and seriously...

effin parallel, serial, and s-video?!

should i be pissed my car doesnt have a tape deck?

 

[mikes70mustang]

"How, exactly, was DVI not on Apple laptops, again?" Maybe you didn't get the memo, but Apple has since switched to Mini DisplayPort. eSATA is only "flakey" on the Mac, Windows doesn't have a problem with it. HDMI OUTPUT! Hello?! We already have it anyway, though, through an adapter. And FYI, I know what mini FW is.

The other stuff is not worth addressing. Cheers.

So basically dude got a PC b/c he didnt want to buy a few adapters. Something still sounds a lil screwy here.

 

[percival504]

Rarely do I join these things -- I'm too busy taking care of my family, but

Expresscard/54, serial ports??? 16GB in "Ultra high end" laptops??? 1st, someone tell me where I can find 1 of these Ultra high end laptops because I've been looking for such a beast.

What really irks me though is any insult to Apple's implementation of esata. Esata flakey on a Mac??? WTF? Try a Sonnet Sata Tempo Pro ExpressCard/34 -- 200 reads, 150 writes sustained -- that's called saturating the bus if you didn't know. Random reads and writes? How fast are you drives? I bought my boss, a wintel guy, an SSD, an external sata enclosure and an expresscard/54 (yes, a 54 b/c, just as Repo says, that's what wintels use) and he still hasn't figured out how to set it up. 15v minutes of research and I knew that I could plug a JMicron card into the slot, clone a bootable drive and boot externally.

Speaking of the archaic (like Expresscard/54 and was it parallel ports, serial ports, VGA)... seriously, reading about all those ports is like having to sit on the sofa and watch old John Travolta movies or something...

Not so archaic: ZFS. BTW: do wintels allow you to create (that is create, not read) and write to ZFS pools on externals? Think 10.5 is read only? Go to OS X Forge. Think only Snow Leopard Server will support ZFS "out of the box" -- if your answer is yes, I'll know for sure you don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about ZILs in SL User -- not Server and not Client. Don't know what a ZIL is -- find out and then there won't be a need for further comparisons of 4" thick wintels to an inch thick, 6.6 lb powerhouse that professionals who move reams of data and scorch their CPUs running calculations swear by... Of course, I don't know how much time they spend gaming.

I mean seriously, though, are you talking about VGA, parallel and serial ports, E-C/54? I mean, seriously??? And what would someone who had other things to plug, and thus less time to plug things into a computer, do with all those ports? I mean, are USB fetishes going to replace foot fetishes? Man, thanks for the entertainment, I needed it...

 

[drewsof07]

FAIL!

Post a picture of a current PC model next time. Skewing the images is an epic fail, just like the iMac vs. desktop clutter photo, you know, where the webcam breaks.

E-e-easy killer,
I was showing the difference between the computer he was suggesting (VGA; svideo; parallel + serial) and a current MacBook. It was purely about the looks I promise

should i be pissed my car doesnt have a tape deck?

HAHA you should be pissed you don't have 8-track, it was a great format for its time

seriously, reading about all those ports is like having to sit on the sofa and watch old John Travolta movies or something...

Better be careful, "Old" is a very relative term, you may offend some of our older members

And I'm out.
Repo, you should seriously consider updating some of your periphs to use USB, even though you obviously enjoy those legacy connections.

OP, sorry your thread ended up shredded like this

 

[Digital Skunk]

E-e-easy killer,
I was showing the difference between the computer he was suggesting (VGA; svideo; parallel + serial) and a current MacBook. It was purely about the looks I promise

Sorry about that. That post was meant to be a humorous one.... with the over exaggerated FAIL.... but some people are that nasty now that I think about it.

I never meant to be the d0uchebag.

In an attempt to bring the thread back in line.... and going back to another question asked....

OP, did you attempt to install Windows on your Mac? Could Bootcamp or some VM setup worked better and allowed you to keep your Mac?

 

[petermcphee]

Troll?? Anyone else agree?

This should be well received, but here goes...

THAT IS AN INSULT AND AGAINST THE RULEZ OF TEH FORUM!! REMOVE AT ONCE!!

 

[monokakata]

It's true that RS-232 (and other members of the RS family) are old and use old connectors. Same for 50 pin parallel. Yes, indeed, it's all true.

Do any of you busily dissing the old protocols and connectors do any work out there in the world where all sorts of devices need controlling?

Before I shut down my business in 2006 I routinely controlled some $100,000 worth of electronic timing systems with -- gasp! -- RS-232, DB9 on a Wintel machine.
What, no USB? Nope. Not out in the world of crowds, media, bad weather, wind.... Take a good look at your fine USB connector -- now jiggle it, now trip over the cord....now do the same with a screwed-in DB9. Sure, it's going to yank your laptop around but it's not coming out. And what if the data flowing down that obsolete pipeline is very important and coming in real time and bad things happen if it's interrupted? You want a USB connector for that? Nope, you want something that stays put.

I switched to Mac when I got out of the business, and for other reasons. I use USB now all the time. It's great. But it's not great for some applications.

Any of you guys do cutting-edge video? Maybe you'd like to have a nice $60,000 VTR, like this Sony (or almost any high-end VTR):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...M2000_20_HDCAM_Studio_VTR.html#specifications

Click on "Specifications," and check out the I/O connectors list: DB9, 50 pin parallel. What? But...that's old, obsolete stuff. What's it doing on the latest and greatest professional editing gear? Doing a job it continues to be very, very well suited for, is what.

These old protocols and old connectors are still useful in some high end environments. Anybody who thinks that DB9 is just for old mice and joysticks and that 50-pin is for old printers needs to get out in the world where people do work with their computers.

 

[PeterQC]

If you want to argue about Windows laptop vs MacBooks, PLEASE, open your own thread. This is not the place here. THANK YOU.

That said, welcome back aaron.lee2006 to the Mac world!

 

[sushi]

It's true that RS-232 (and other members of the RS family) are old and use old connectors. Same for 50 pin parallel. Yes, indeed, it's all true. <snip good post.>

Well said.

Nothing wrong with old standards and protocols in some cases.

This thread has taken a side track a bit. I guess that's what happens when you have an OP who went to the Windows world and now has returned.

 

[Digital Skunk]

Any of you guys do cutting-edge video? Maybe you'd like to have a nice $60,000 VTR, like this Sony (or almost any high-end VTR):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...M2000_20_HDCAM_Studio_VTR.html#specifications

Click on "Specifications," and check out the I/O connectors list: DB9, 50 pin parallel. What? But...that's old, obsolete stuff. What's it doing on the latest and greatest professional editing gear? Doing a job it continues to be very, very well suited for, is what.

I agree wholeheartedly, but that deck was made to work with legacy connections simply so it could be implemented in the ways you mention. Also as a selling point. Most decks aren't using serial anymore, just Firewire or any of the current broadcast I/O.

 

[panzer06]

um what? i dont really give a damn about apple

im just merely questioning his selling of his computer initially as i believe it wasnt necessary as pretty much everything has a solution

im curious as to what exactly this class required from the op

Other than uber gaming a MBP can run Windows just fine in bootcamp. The students at the school I used to work at use bootcamp for the database, visio and project classes, some even use fusion or parallels.

I bought a Windows laptop (Sony Vaio with 1080p 16" & ATI GPU) to run my games. After having my nvidia 8600 fail in my SR MBP I gave up on gaming on my MBP. I use my Mac almost exclusively for work. The Windows laptop came with Bluray and HDMI (all for $999 back up to about $1150 now) so I can hook it up to our HDTV that doesn't have the PS3 connected to it. Until Apple gets away from nvidia and adds current hardware options as std features I will stick with having to lug 2 laptop when I travel.

I'm even prepping my nvidia-based MBP for sale and using my older C2D 2.16 ATI x1600-based MBP for work. I am very disappointed in the Apple hardware choices and QC of late but the OS and ease of use can't be beat. I could not work as effectively using only my Windows laptop.

Cheers,

 

[drewsof07]

This should be well received, but here goes...

THAT IS AN INSULT AND AGAINST THE RULEZ OF TEH FORUM!! REMOVE AT ONCE!!

Well then you failzzz at "TEH RULEZ"

"Trolling": Do not post in order to anger other members or intentionally cause negative reactions.

He was clearly ignoring what everyone was trying to explain and continuing on a rampage, (aka trolling).

 

[Digital Skunk]

I am very disappointed in the Apple hardware choices and QC of late but the OS and ease of use can't be beat. I could not work as effectively using only my Windows laptop.

Cheers,

I agree 100%. Apple has let a small portion of users down with the limited hardware choices and poor QC as well as lower end GFX option on just about all models.

I personally find myself making the choice between great software options for my own needs, or the hardware that I wish I could run on the plethora of machines that fit all the needs I have.

Unfortunately for now, I choose software.