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I wish I had the memory of being able to cycle through a city without getting my throat all clogged up with crap to miss, but alas I was born in 88, it's always been like this.
 
When I first started driving 1969... gas was 28 cents a gallon. When I was in the Army (1972-1973) and was based in the Panama Canal Zone, gas down there was 16 cents a gallon. In them days gas was cheap. When I took a trip (10,000 miles) around the US in the summer of 1975 gas was 45 cents a gallon.
 
Well if anyone is ever in northern Connecticut, I know where you can pick up gas for $1 a gallon for 89 octane.

I went into the Cumberland Farms gas station in my town. The clerk was busy playing around in the cash drawer. I handed him a 50 dollar bill and ask for $30 of gas on pump 9. He immediately gave me $20 back, I put it in my pocket, and he shut the cash drawer. He typed into the computer and asked if I wanted a receipt. I said sure and he printed it off and gave me $20 back.

I walked out the door of the gas station and started pumping. It was then that I realized he gave me $20 back twice. $10 for ~10 of gas. Not a bad deal aye.

I felt bad knowingly ripping off the gas station, but I have a few grudges against them. 1) They built this huge unsightly gas station in my quaint little town 2) Oil companies are evil and will take as much money as possible as they can even though they already have gazillions of dollars and 3) I was with my friend whos uncle is a VP for Gulf Oil (I don't really know what that has to do with anything, but w/e)

I did make a good donation to the Connecticut Children's Hospital or something with the money that I had *saved*
 
A british Jag?
I see them as an American manufacturer now.
I'm glad Aston Martin is British again.

Nahh, I think Jag is still british. If they were American their reliability would not be rock bottom with Land Rover.
 
A british Jag?
I see them as an American manufacturer now.
I'm glad Aston Martin is British again.

It may be owned by Ford, but they're still manufactured in Birmingham and Liverpool. They're anything but standard or popular here. I may see one a week.
 
you think this means more people will move to the city now?

and yeah, i miss cheap gas too...it meant alot more road trips than we make now.
 
Yeah......I miss cheap gas.....especially since I have a company that requires keeping 4 gas-guzzling vehicles on the road each and every day. :mad:

Hell.....I remember when gas stations actually gave you something like a glass when you filled up your tank and gas was well under a buck a gallon.
 
A newspaper here yesterday said that over the summer, the price of petrol is likely to reach £4.55/gallon ($8.941 according to my widget).

It's shocking, and then I see a lot of Americans moaning about the price of fuel yet still seem to use cars that do <25mpg. Why do you insist on having such cars?

OK, I'm 18, and I only have a small car (Ford Fiesta). But I get 40+mpg. Surely if every car in the world had a mpg increase of say 5, then the amount of fuel needed would fall, and it would seem cheaper. There's also less of a strain on fuel resources.
 
OK, I'm 18, and I only have a small car (Ford Fiesta). But I get 40+mpg. Surely if every car in the world had a mpg increase of say 5, then the amount of fuel needed would fall, and it would seem cheaper. There's also less of a strain on fuel resources.
That's finally beginning to happen. Sales of big engined cars in Europe fell dramatically during 2006 after several successive growth years, pretty much all thanks to the increasing fuel costs associated with running such an engine. The US will catch us up on that at some point.
 
A newspaper here yesterday said that over the summer, the price of petrol is likely to reach £4.55/gallon ($8.941 according to my widget).

It's shocking, and then I see a lot of Americans moaning about the price of fuel yet still seem to use cars that do <25mpg. Why do you insist on having such cars?

OK, I'm 18, and I only have a small car (Ford Fiesta). But I get 40+mpg. Surely if every car in the world had a mpg increase of say 5, then the amount of fuel needed would fall, and it would seem cheaper. There's also less of a strain on fuel resources.

Well I got $300 to my name and a kick in the ass so if you got $ 15,000 let me know and I'll gladly go get me a used prius and you won't hear me too sad about gas anymore. Just let me know when you want to wire me that money
 
I remember joyriding. I think I must have given it up right around the time the price of gasoline crossed $0.70 a gallon -- probably in 1979.

BTW, if you don't like the cost of fuel, drive less, and don't speed. I can hardly believe the number of people who still careen down the freeway at 80 MPH and more. Instead of paying $3.20 a gallon, they're effectively paying closer to $4.00 -- voluntarily! So no wonder the price keeps going up and up... :rolleyes:
 
It's shocking, and then I see a lot of Americans moaning about the price of fuel yet still seem to use cars that do <25mpg. Why do you insist on having such cars?


If you've ever been rear-ended by a soccer mom in a suburban, you would understand.

That said, I drive a honda civic and I'm loving my 36 mpg right now.
 
My roommate from london can not believe the distance we all have to travel for school, groceries, and junk.

Distance is all relative. If you live in the central zone of a town or city, you don't generally have to travel far for anything - but you pay more for living there. If you live in the suburbs, you generally have to travel a little further for work and shopping but you're more likely to have some greenery, a bigger property. If you live out in the country, then yes, you have to go a long way for everything - but that's true regardless of the country you are in.

I don't think anyone begrudges those who live rurally their cars - and they lose out doubly with both lower salaries and generally higher fuel costs.

But, there's a question whether those who live in an urban environment really need a car or whether it's a luxury. Less cars and perhaps there might be more spaces to build places to chill or zone out without the need to drive.
 
Cheap gas was nice, but we need to stop using fossil fuels. Unlike what the gov't believes( regulate the car manufactures to death to get cars cleaner and reduce our demand on foreign oil), what will get us off fossil fuels faster is what Bob Lutz says, higher gas prices. The higher the cost to the American consumer has to pay for gas, the more they will demand for a cheaper alternative. Look at what happened when gas hit $3 a gallon for the first time. People dumped their SUV's and went to buy Prius's( although their excuse for buying it is to save the environment is funny. It's all about saving money for them. Putting out less Carbon monoxide is an added bonus).

We all should know the last user of fossil fuels will be power plants. It will be years before they will switch to a new source of energy to produce electricity( sorry, I don't think Nuclear energy is the answer. We'll just be trading air pollution to land pollution with the waste materials). We can use the power plants as refineries for hydrogen as there is a process that can use the waste created by the power plants to get hydrogen. Hydrogen is the ideal fuel. But, the question is will it ever get practical enough to use? We haven't seen that yet.
 
after i move into my new place in June i get the best gas prices of all: $0.00/gallon; since i can use public transit or more likely a bike to get to and from work. :) i cannot wait. especially since starting the car, driving for 2 miles and turning it off equates to some ridiculously low MPG. i'm more than happy to take the bus or bike. plus i will no longer pay $200/month just to park the car.
 
after i move into my new place in June i get the best gas prices of all: $0.00/gallon; since i can use public transit or more likely a bike to get to and from work. :) i cannot wait. especially since starting the car, driving for 2 miles and turning it off equates to some ridiculously low MPG. i'm more than happy to take the bus or bike. plus i will no longer pay $200/month just to park the car.

I'm in the same situation. I move in a month, and the location is great. School is about a 3 minute bike ride, work is about a 10 minute bike ride, and it's near a bus line if I ever need to go to the library or something. I'm really really excited. I hate cars and everything about them. Gas, tires, oil changes, batteries... everything is so expensive.
 
i agree; as much my testosterone makes me like/lust after some cars overall i find them to be a huge pain in the ass and i would be happy to never have to deal with one. between insurance, maintenance, upkeep, gas and purchase price its one big expense after another. i would rather not have a car and use Zipcar or something like it when i need to; unfortunately Providence is not contained enough to live quite like that yet. give it another 50 years :)
 
...I see a lot of Americans moaning about the price of fuel yet still seem to use cars that do <25mpg. Why do you insist on having such cars?
Believe me, I'd love a little diesel car and I'd convert it to biodiesel, too... If it weren't for CA's damned emissions laws making it terribly difficult to do.

FYI, we don't get the nifty cars that you Europeans do. For whatever reason, the masses don't go for it. I'd love a Lupo or Polo. Or SMART. Or MINI one. I would, I truly would.
 
Hydrogen is the ideal fuel.

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Cheap gas was nice, but we need to stop using fossil fuels. Unlike what the gov't believes( regulate the car manufactures to death to get cars cleaner and reduce our demand on foreign oil), what will get us off fossil fuels faster is what Bob Lutz says, higher gas prices. The higher the cost to the American consumer has to pay for gas, the more they will demand for a cheaper alternative. Look at what happened when gas hit $3 a gallon for the first time. People dumped their SUV's and went to buy Prius's( although their excuse for buying it is to save the environment is funny. It's all about saving money for them. Putting out less Carbon monoxide is an added bonus).

We all should know the last user of fossil fuels will be power plants. It will be years before they will switch to a new source of energy to produce electricity( sorry, I don't think Nuclear energy is the answer. We'll just be trading air pollution to land pollution with the waste materials). We can use the power plants as refineries for hydrogen as there is a process that can use the waste created by the power plants to get hydrogen. Hydrogen is the ideal fuel. But, the question is will it ever get practical enough to use? We haven't seen that yet.

as I point out in my early post hydrogen is not an ideal fuel and is worse that fossil fuels. Reason being is to get it where you want it from it has to come from water and we already are fasting water source problems world wide. Just to supple the US needs for cars that are hydrogen power we would need 7 trillion gallons of fresh water a year. That does not include the extra water that would be needed to cool the power plants to produce it. Nor the fact that we would be making more pollution due to the increase power demand.

On top of that we have no effect way of storing hydrogen in cars. Liquid i not an option so it hi pressure only and well to get cars up to the range they have now the tanks would have to impractical huge size. On top of that hydrogen will leak out. It very difficult to make the tanks seal well enough to prevent all of it escape. It is jut to small of an element so you have more loses there.
Hydrogen power is pure hype. We do not have the resource to produce it on a scale we need.
Taking it from fossil fuels is impractical because all it would do is increase our need for it and it a huge waste of energy that could be used from the fossil fuel.


Hydrogen power is pure hype and is a very impractical fuel.
 
I hate cars and everything about them. Gas, tires, oil changes, batteries... everything is so expensive.

i agree; as much my testosterone makes me like/lust after some cars overall i find them to be a huge pain in the ass and i would be happy to never have to deal with one. between insurance, maintenance, upkeep, gas and purchase price its one big expense after another. i would rather not have a car and use Zipcar or something like it when i need to; unfortunately Providence is not contained enough to live quite like that yet. give it another 50 years :)

i agree with this. i'm 21 and have never owned a car or had a driver's license (although i may just for id and future rent-a-car reasons), and i have little desire to own a car. the only reason i thought about owning a car was because of how inconvenient and near impossible it is to live in south florida without one. public transportation is non existent in my town, and forget about biking around here. when i was in high school, all of my friends had cars and stuff, but i didn't care, as i was in san diego at the time and also i felt cars were just a huge pain in the butt to take care of, and i don't like handling two ton bricks. i feel alot better on my bike. and with the cost of owning a car just very annoying, i'm probably thinking about moving out to the city to escape those costs, and don't forget the social costs and everything else.

enough from me.
 
i agree with this. i'm 21 and have never owned a car or had a driver's license (although i may just for id and future rent-a-car reasons), and i have little desire to own a car. the only reason i thought about owning a car was because of how inconvenient and near impossible it is to live in south florida without one. public transportation is non existent in my town, and forget about biking around here. when i was in high school, all of my friends had cars and stuff, but i didn't care, as i was in san diego at the time and also i felt cars were just a huge pain in the butt to take care of, and i don't like handling two ton bricks. i feel alot better on my bike. and with the cost of owning a car just very annoying, i'm probably thinking about moving out to the city to escape those costs, and don't forget the social costs and everything else.

enough from me.
You know you can go to the State DMV and just get a Id card. It not good for a DL but it is a legal id and legally you need to have one of those to do anything that require an id.
 
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