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I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?
 
Steve Jobs died almost 15 years ago. I think that the computer industry we have now is just a different beast than back then. The 'magic' of the early internet and the clumsy but charming 2000s are no longer there. The Macs have never been better (and neither have Apple's finances), but the Mac has also become somewhat of an afterthought for Apple. Their real profit lies in iPhones, apps and services. The gadget and hardware-focussed approach of Jobs is not really that relevant anymore. And objectively, Apple and Tim Cook did very well even without him.
 
I certainly have some similar feelings, but I think Tim's attestation that "his spirit will forever be the foundation of Apple" has by and large been honoured. There are a few superfluous little sideroads, and the on-stage keynote is no longer the domain of the company. But it's easy to forget how much has happened without Steve. Macs still lead the industry by example, inside and out. The Apple Watch helps people monitor their health and saves lives. The entire saga of AirPods and HomePods. Apple has remained relentless about privacy as he defined it, and has a clear timeline with goals for sustainability.

Steve is still deeply missed – what we'd surely give to see the casual letter he'd have posted about the UK's fight against encryption, or about the EU's DMA, or to watch him kick off WWDC in 2025 – but there's plenty to be glad has been upheld and introduced.
 
We have to remember that Apple products under Steve Jobs weren’t perfect either and I feel he charged too much, he could have dropped prices a bit and drawn in far more customers. I think it is important to use the right tool for the job and avoid idolizing any person or product.. lest we end up living with sorrow when the person/product are gone.
 
Seems to me that things were much better under Steve Jobs as for giving a darn about an  product.
the current employees don't posses enough regard for our personal computer usage anymore,
and that tells in their voice and mannerism.
has anyone really tried to reach out to an  employee and received the same attention as careful as 15 years ago?
I don think so, and know in my end this going a darm about my MacBook or problems on their end is over.

show leopard still works today great in 2025
while Monterrey is non-functional in 2025
if that is an indication of how  will treat their releases......
Steve would have never accepted that!
 
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I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?
As others have remarked, the online world has changed enormously since the death of Steve Jobs.

As has Apple.

It is no longer a niche company that designs stunning computers that represented a perfect fusion of form and function, and were cutting edge and utterly transformational (I still remember, my delighted, stunned and awed reaction when Steve Jobs slowly removed the very first MBA from an A4 envelope - which was an immediate, almost visceral internal cry of: "I want that"), but a global commercial giant, with an income that dwarfs that of most countries, and which, as @ResPublica correctly points out, below, derives much, if not most, of its income and profit from iPhones, apps, and other services, and not computers.

These days, computers are something of an optional extra - a luxury which is no longer necessary to the company's image or profits, an unnecessary after-thought - and therefore, there is no compelling need to devote energy, resources, and time to devising technologically transformative new computers.

Moreover, the profile presented by a global giant with a global reach - and the commercial imperatives that govern this - are quite different from those of a niche company that produces attractive, stylish, and beautifully designed computers.

Now, personally, yes, I, too, preferred it when Apple was a niche company, but that is no longer the case.
Steve Jobs died almost 15 years ago. I think that the computer industry we have now is just a different beast than back then.
Agree completely.
The 'magic' of the early internet and the clumsy but charming 2000s are no longer there.
Again, agreed.
The Macs have never been better (and neither have Apple's finances), but the Mac has also become somewhat of an afterthought for Apple.
Exactly.
Their real profit lies in iPhones, apps and services. The gadget and hardware-focussed approach of Jobs is not really that relevant anymore. And objectively, Apple and Tim Cook did very well even without him.
Agreed.
 
(I still remember, my delighted, stunned and awed reaction when Steve Jobs slowly removed the very first MBA from an A4 envelope - which was an immediate, almost visceral internal cry of: "I want that"),
I feel the same way now with the sky blue MacBook air, then I just want the color, not computer.
as the end pod the day I will feel empty as I inbox the MacBook air 2010 and marvel that works today.
 
Having read Walter Issacson’s biography of Steve in the wake of Steve’s passing, the one account that struck me was ‘Don’t try and do what I (Steve) would have done’ with regards to Apple’s future, correctly identifying one of the causes of companies to fail - trying to solve today and tomorrow’s problems with yesterday’s answers.

The mac, the iPhone and to a lesser extent the iPad mapped out what was then virgin territory. Apple’s current competitors have learned to try and map out the same as those they simply tried ‘me too!’ have fallen by the wayside (HTC et al).

Whilst Apple under Tim hasn’t distinguished itself as much as it did under Steve, Apple have launched several new products and some of them have gone on to be wildly successful. As successful as the iPhone? No, but then neither has anyone else. The iPhone was a turning point in tech history and such things do not come around all that often.

I too miss Steve and his presentation style but I’m also pretty happy with how Apple has flourished and stayed at the the vanguard of tech under Tim.
 
I miss Steve Jobs.
I'm tired of Apple releasing half-baked beta versions.
I'm tired of Apple trying, like Google and Samsung, to attract customers with unnecessary features like background removal from photos.
I'm tired of Tim Cook announcing things just days before any official release.
Where's the old, good Apple?
I think that people just miss his style and how he was more personable. He came into Apple at a time when it was dying and his mission from 1997 to 2007 when the iPhone arrived, was to bring the company back to being healthy and consistent. He accomplished that by 2007 and honestly I think the company would essentially be what it is today had he decided to step down right there.

It also helped that he personally touched so many industries and had personal relations with so many within the computing, industry but not just that but other industries such as entertainment. He was very powerful in two very powerful sectors of commerce. In fact, probably one of the five move powerful in both tech and entertainment at one point.

I do miss him, but I think that Apple is doing just fine now, but I do wish they would go back to doing live keynotes.
 
I only miss him in the sense that his nominated successor is a nickel and diming, soulless and charisma-free grey haired beancounter who even Jobs described as “not a product guy”.

That Cook has clung onto the CEO role for almost 15 years now is a bad joke. I still believe he was only given the nod as an interim steady financial pair of hands for 2-3 years max (so as to reassure the shareholders and not spook the markets) until someone with vision, either internal or external, stepped up to the mound.
 
I too miss Steve and his presentation style but I’m also pretty happy with how Apple has flourished and stayed at the the vanguard of tech under Tim.
Has it though? Really? Events suggest otherwise.

Siri AI or even ‘dumb’ Siri is a total dumpster fire and now delayed even further behind competitors.

Project Titan was canned.

Even CarPlay has stalled.

AVP was a hideously expensive prototype hyped as the future, but was largely forgotten as a novelty after the initial few months, and no scent of an affordable consumer version anytime soon if ever.

Apple Silicon, whilst initially a big step up, has now descended into confusion and fragmentation of M-chip products and incremental performance.

And the cash cow iPhone hasn’t a clue how to evolve, cue the rumoured 17 Air following on from the 16E, both of which nobody is asking for.

Meanwhile, Apple is splurging many billions not on innovative tech acquisitions but on pursuing a pointless streaming TV/movie entertainment arms war with Netflix and Amazon Studios.
 
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I’ll just say I missed Steve jobs presentations. He could sell the crap out of anything. He perfectly laid out the vision for what this product was meant to be. If he would’ve been given the presentation for the Apple Vision Pro for example public perception might be a lot different.
 
As much as perhaps Steve Jobs had flaws as a man and in his visions, at least he HAD visions.
Tim Cook does not seem to have any.
The whole "Apple car" project was a gigantic failure (one for which someone should really have been canned) because it was just cooked up in a state of FOMO against other car projects (Google car)

Apple could have bought Tesla for not that much but Tim Cook thought he could do better. He could not.
Perhaps "once bitten twice shy" Apple completely ignored the AI revolution.

Steve Jobs introduced a very clear product line up now Tim Cook is muddling the hardware lineup so bad that Apple has to have a "compare" section on the website so people do not get confused from the choices.
And the upgrade/update cycle is as unpredictable as it was back in the Performa days.

The vision Pro is what Steve Jobs called "a solution looking for a problem" A thing that was designed, is cool, but has no real use.

Meanwhile, what made Apple be Apple - the great seamless software and software and hardware interoperability falls into background. The software sucks and neither the pro or consumer apps are worth mentioning anymore.
 
Steve's gone so we can ascribe all sorts of infalliable alternate histories that could have been.

We have no idea what Apple would have been like had Steve lived, but it wouldn't have been as perfect as anyone envisions. It's not even a given that he would have chosen to remain at Apple. Visionaries are famous for getting bored and moving on.

In an alternate universe where Steve Jobs is alive, Tim Cook might still be running Apple anyway.
 
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I didn't care when Jobs was running Apple and I don't care that Cook runs it now. As long as they make products I want to buy, who the CEO is makes no difference to me. Jobs is long dead, he was just a chapter in the history of Apple just like Cook is another chapter. There will be many chapters in this book and I'm sure people will find issues in all of them. IMO, Apple has done very well in the Cook chapter. Shareholders, board members the majority of customers seem to agree. Has he made mistakes, sure but show me one CEO that hasn't. Even Jobs made some pretty relevant mistakes during his tenure and was far from perfect.
 
Siri AI or even ‘dumb’ Siri is a total dumpster fire and now delayed even further behind competitors.

Project Titan was canned.

Even CarPlay has stalled.

AVP was a hideously expensive prototype hyped as the future, but was largely forgotten as a novelty after the initial few months, and no scent of an affordable consumer version anytime soon if ever.

Apple Silicon, whilst initially a big step up, has now descended into confusion and fragmentation of M-chip products and performance.

There were plenty of product "failures" under Jobs including Apple III, Apple Lisa, Power Mac G4 Cube, iPod Hi-Fi, and iTunes Ping. I imagine there were also a number of projects started under Jobs that were canned before coming to market.
 
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