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I miss Tiger

Siderz said:
What do you do on it?
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Personally, not too much. Certainly not enough to stress the machine. But my ex is a designer and used to hog my machine for her work. I used to do freelance IT work for ad agencies and often brought home machines to work on and the accessibility of the drive bays made life much easier for me. Otherwise, the only thing that comes close to stressing out the computer are my random treks in to the world of Skyrim.
 
Krazy Bill said:
Cook is a boring bean-counter and shouldn't be the "face" of Apple.
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Cook being "not a product guy" and a bean counter was known prior to becoming CEO. My concern is that there seems to be so much discontent.

My inbox is full of notifications from Apple Support Communities. Users are up in arms about iWorks update and data loss. MBA SSD failures and what appears to be lengthy wait times for the recall repairs. The mail can be overwhelming at times.

I have been around Apple Discussions forever and don't remember such a mail volume. At one time posts were strictly tech support. That was better IMHO. Opining, ranting etc was not permitted. Posts were removed and the poster assessed points. That would generate few mails, I think.

It's nuts over there now. There is support but also ranting, opining, pontificating. Really made the support area less helpful. The Wireless forum is the only one now that seems to be tech oriented.

I think the New Apple is using support communities as a free focus group. They do remove threads now but it is when there are too many people with the same valid issue. The link takes you to a message advising you do not have permission to view.

Sad really. My next computer may very well be running Windows. I know its a hassle but at least parts are available when you need them.

Well gotta go. Four more notification from Apple Support Communities on the MBA SSD recall
 
SusanK said:
Cook being "not a product guy" and a bean counter was known prior to becoming CEO. My concern is that there seems to be so much discontent.

My inbox is full of notifications from Apple Support Communities. Users are up in arms about iWorks update and data loss. MBA SSD failures and what appears to be lengthy wait times for the recall repairs. The mail can be overwhelming at times.

I have been around Apple Discussions forever and don't remember such a mail volume. At one time posts were strictly tech support. That was better IMHO. Opining, ranting etc was not permitted. Posts were removed and the poster assessed points. That would generate few mails, I think.

It's nuts over there now. There is support but also ranting, opining, pontificating. Really made the support area less helpful. The Wireless forum is the only one now that seems to be tech oriented.

I think the New Apple is using support communities as a free focus group. They do remove threads now but it is when there are too many people with the same valid issue. The link takes you to a message advising you do not have permission to view.

Sad really. My next computer may very well be running Windows. I know its a hassle but at least parts are available when you need them.

Well gotta go. Four more notification from Apple Support Communities on the MBA SSD recall
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My guess is that Steve trusted him and thought he would keep him in check, and that hasn't happened since Steve died, so Cook is just running amok doing whatever.

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Siderz said:
I'm assuming that next year, whatever Mac version comes out will look like iOS7, which makes Windows Phone look horrible (Well, most things do).

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What do you do on it?
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I actually LIKE windows phone. Not more then Android or iOS, but Windows Phone 7 is still good.
 
ConfusedBatman said:
My guess is that Steve trusted him and thought he would keep him in check, and that hasn't happened since Steve died, so Cook is just running amok doing whatever.
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Maybe so. When I watched the WWDC keynote my impression was that Cook did not have a firm grip on the reins. Presenters behaved in a way that was beneath Apple. Schiller's comment on innovation. Frederigi mocking the at that time current iOS.

I wonder if Cook is just letting the others do whatever. Cook made an interesting presentation on the Hill for the Senate. Tax code, numbers all in his wheelhouse. That's the only time he looked comfortable.

Hope the inmates have not taken over the asylum.
 
I think what the OP was saying (if I can interpret) is the LOOK of Tiger is what they missed. I agree with this sentiment. Tiger was the LAST true AQUA interface - which was introduced with OS 10.0 built off of NeXTStep and OpenStep. I would use Tiger on my older Macs (where possible) if the web experience weren't so limited. There are exceedingly few web browsers that work on Tiger.

Another vote for Tiger is how long it lasted before a new OS was initiated - 2.5 years and 11 updates - more than any other version.

Aqua was abandoned with Leopard, and the slow march to grayscale was begun. I'm still baffled that they removed all color from the sidebar in Lion. I mean, what purpose could that serve other than making the icons harder to distinguish? Also, Lion was the iOSification of OS X, and the abandonment of PPC software. In that sense, the last true purely mac OS is Snow Leopard. I still use it for nearly all my macs, including the Mac Pro I acquired just a few months ago.

I too want the Aqua look back, but Johnny Ive seems to have no interest in that.
 
AtmChm said:
Aqua was abandoned with Leopard, and the slow march to grayscale was begun. I'm still baffled that they removed all color from the sidebar in Lion. I mean, what purpose could that serve other than making the icons harder to distinguish? Also, Lion was the iOSification of OS X, and the abandonment of PPC software. In that sense, the last true purely mac OS is Snow Leopard. I still use it for nearly all my macs, including the Mac Pro I acquired just a few months ago.

I too want the Aqua look back, but Johnny Ive seems to have no interest in that.
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Same for me. I really liked the aqua interface. I think with the next OS X iteration the last pieces of aqua will disappear.
In my opinion, colors are important, I don't know what they drove to create everything in grey - maybe it's all this simplicity and Bauhaus movement - which btw I really like but not on my desktop.

The Macintosh is still ahead of time. I showed some folks at university today all the multi touch and spaces capabilities. They were speechless and this reminds me also to the Tiger days ... where you had this system which was lightyears (distance not time ;) ) ahead of Windows.
 
i have a installed tiger over an ssd (mac pro 06) and it's blazing fast and i love how simple it is.
 
Krazy Bill said:
Steve didn't do this. He was a technical idiot and a narcissistic arsehole that gets way too much credit for design and innovation. If anything, he was able to recognize the great product ideas submitted by forgotten minions and competitors and was able to take them to the next level. Only in this respect did his genius and talents shine.

Cook is a boring bean-counter and shouldn't be the "face" of Apple.
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Say what you will about Steve. He loved taking a ton of credit and WAS a narcissistic ***hole who was a deadbeat dad and abandoned his pregnant girlfriend, but he was one damn good manager. He regretted his sins and tried to resolve them best he could. And no, he wasn't a technical idiot... he has written code onstage, damn it.

Anyway. I completely agree with you about Aqua and Tiger. Tiger was the stablest, purest expression of what OS X was. No unnecessary crap: just good, easy-to-use software that let you do what you wanted right out of the box. It was fast as hell, and I miss Aqua so much.

I love the refined esthetic of post-Lion releases on Retina Macs; they look extremely clean, but Aqua was so unique. It was Mac's defining feature for over a decade: you saw those Kool-Aid color traffic light titlebarcontrols, and you knew that was a Mac. Instantly. Rounded buttons? OS X. Light titlebar and subtle pinstripes? OS X. Shiny menubar? OS X. Not to mention, the Tiger incarnation was far more pleasant to look at than the fugly 10.2 editions, and maybe a little more pleasant than the Leopard incarnation (which was ironically a bit more shiny in some areas).

I really feel like Steve wouldn't have done much to help the crisis, though... remember, he presided over Lion development, and we know how THAT OS came out.

I feel like towards the end of his life, he became a very bitter, vendetta-carrying man. Okay, we get it, you didn't like Android, but to call it "stolen property" and to promise to "go thermonuclear war" on Google for it when the concept of a GUI was stolen from SRI and Xerox is hypocritical and reeks of a misanthrope.

I do think he would have kept Aqua around in some form or another though. He loved visual cues and despised flat UI design... so I doubt the iOS 7 debacle would have even occurred.

What I do know is that Mountain Lion and Mavericks would have been more consistent. His attention to detail was unparalleled. Say what you will about Lion, but apart from iCal and Address Book, it was one damn consistent operating system.

I still feel like 2009 was the definitive year for Apple. The 3GS, Snow Leopard, unibody Pros, great new iMacs, and iPhone OS 3.0. Nothing short of cohesive and amazing.

4 years later, and the coal is running out. No more steam, I'm afraid... we're running on momentum here. Eventually the train will have to stop... let's just hope it doesn't derail until then.
 
AtmChm said:
Aqua was abandoned with Leopard, and the slow march to grayscale was begun. I'm still baffled that they removed all color from the sidebar in Lion. I mean, what purpose could that serve other than making the icons harder to distinguish?
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I really don't understand Apple's deep hatred of colour when it comes to OS X. Like you, I'm completely baffled by the removal of colour from the sidebar icons. What good does it do? And they've minimized the colour visibility of labels in Mavericks. Could those tag dots be any smaller?

Apple is famous for the accessibility features of iOS, but removing colour from OS X runs counter to that. All it does is impair usability. I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
 
Will Mavericks be the "Tiger" of the current new Mac user generation?

I still really love Tiger, because it remembers me also on my freshmans year and also at this time the Macintosh was still the center of focus at Apple, so maybe it is not only the system itself we like to remember but also the suroundings at that time (2005 - 2007/2009)?!

Apple was the Mac company and even my Windows friends at that time said that they like my Powerbook and the nice capabilities of OS X.
But today it's different. Apple is mainstream and most of my friends (I am the only Mac user) are hacked of by the Apple hype.
 
SanJacinto said:
Will Mavericks be the "Tiger" of the current new Mac user generation?

I still really love Tiger, because it remembers me also on my freshmans year and also at this time the Macintosh was still the center of focus at Apple, so maybe it is not only the system itself we like to remember but also the suroundings at that time (2005 - 2007/2009)?!

Apple was the Mac company and even my Windows friends at that time said that they like my Powerbook and the nice capabilities of OS X.
But today it's different. Apple is mainstream and most of my friends (I am the only Mac user) are hacked of by the Apple hype.
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I think this is it. Steve was still alive, we were just going through an exciting discovery period where more people were coming to the platform and we had a bunch to talk about. It was a fun time, but after 2010... everything just came smashing down. I don't know what it was. Maybe the iPad. Apple suddenly turned into Microsoft (except a bit cooler) and Apple's innovation had been played out, and we were too familiar with everything for anything to feel special. Combine that with the increasingly diluted Mac userbase -- the Apple user base is now characterized as comprising image-conscious insecure young people -- and you have a recipe for blasé.

But I think it's also that we're not seeing ANYTHING truly revolutionary from Cupertino. We haven't for ages now. The only time I was ever excited for an Apple product was back when the original iPhone was released, and when iPods were at their peak. 2005-2009 was extremely pleasant... but then we just all got used to Apple.

RIP the cult of Apple. 1995-2009.

By the way, does anybody remember Copland? :D
 
Idgit said:
I really don't understand Apple's deep hatred of colour when it comes to OS X. Like you, I'm completely baffled by the removal of colour from the sidebar icons. What good does it do? And they've minimized the colour visibility of labels in Mavericks. Could those tag dots be any smaller?

Apple is famous for the accessibility features of iOS, but removing colour from OS X runs counter to that. All it does is impair usability. I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
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Seeing how colorful iOS 7 is, maybe color will return to the UI in 10.10?

Although in iOS 7, just the icons are colorful. The stock Apple app UI is almost all white. So maybe not.
 
kunai said:
I think this is it. Steve was still alive, we were just going through an exciting discovery period where more people were coming to the platform and we had a bunch to talk about. It was a fun time, but after 2010... everything just came smashing down. I don't know what it was. Maybe the iPad. Apple suddenly turned into Microsoft (except a bit cooler) and Apple's innovation had been played out, and we were too familiar with everything for anything to feel special. Combine that with the increasingly diluted Mac userbase -- the Apple user base is now characterized as comprising image-conscious insecure young people -- and you have a recipe for blasé.

But I think it's also that we're not seeing ANYTHING truly revolutionary from Cupertino. We haven't for ages now. The only time I was ever excited for an Apple product was back when the original iPhone was released, and when iPods were at their peak. 2005-2009 was extremely pleasant... but then we just all got used to Apple.

RIP the cult of Apple. 1995-2009.

By the way, does anybody remember Copland? :D
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I don't think of the current Apple as a Microsoft. Microsoft was a truly evil company from '80s-'90s. I also don't see how Apple's innovation has been played out.

I think that as Apple got increasingly larger, with more people doing everything possible to find out what's in Apple's pipeline, lots of the surprise factor is gone. This is due to leaks. When you have to produce millions of iPhones to be available for sale a few weeks after announcing it, all people have to do is get information from manufacturers to figure out what's coming.

A diluted user base is a natural byproduct of growing larger. I don't know how we are being characterized nowadays and, frankly, I really don't care.

Revolutionary products don't come around very often. In Apple's history, we've had Apple II, Macintosh, iPod, OS X, iPhone, iPad. That's a heck of a lot and that's through 36 years. I remember being excited that Apple was still in business and being able to make it to another MacWorld Expo.

I wouldn't be so quick to count out Apple.

Yes, I remember Copland. I remember waiting and waiting and waiting for it. All the while reading every little bit of info I could find about it in various Mac publications. To be honest, when OS X was first announced, I was a bit disappointed that we would be moving away from a pure GUI OS and to a CLI based one (albeit with a "Mac-like" front end). But I gave it a chance and here we are...
 
to tell the truth...i miss OS9. it was so easy to troubleshoot. you just ran Conflict Catcher, maybe 20 times over half-a-day, and you'd work things out.

plus i could go watch a movie on tv while i waited to print a couple of pages...
 
fisherking said:
to tell the truth...i miss OS9. it was so easy to troubleshoot. you just ran Conflict Catcher, maybe 20 times over half-a-day, and you'd work things out.

plus i could go watch a movie on tv while i waited to print a couple of pages...
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Hahaha. I miss OS 9 a lot!! I absolutely loved it! Conflict Catcher and Disk Warrior were the indispensable utilities. Sound Jam was the coolest music player ever. :p
 
fisherking said:
to tell the truth...i miss OS9. it was so easy to troubleshoot. you just ran Conflict Catcher, maybe 20 times over half-a-day, and you'd work things out.
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Ah, ConflictCatcher . . . good memories. Or not.

I really did like the Platinum UI and using the various sound sets to customize system sounds.
 
pastrychef said:
Hahaha. I miss OS 9 a lot!! I absolutely loved it! Conflict Catcher and Disk Warrior were the indispensable utilities. Sound Jam was the coolest music player ever. :p
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Don't forget After Dark. I used to spend (read: waste) hours looking at all the pretty screensavers.

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fisherking said:
resedit anyone? i customized my powerbook so much, no one could use it (but me)...

good times indeed... :cool:
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Oh God. Don't get me started...

What's a real shame is that Apple STILL uses rsrcs for stuff in Mac OS X! iTunes and Finder use resource forks. Absurd...
 
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