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Agreed. It's his parents fault for telling him this was a good idea. His father sounds like a good business man...I'm sure he didn't get where he is by getting into $11,000 of debt to get started.

And to the OP: have you considered taxes? You will have to pay taxes on the $11,000 you make. Don't forget that.

Not if he gets cash behind the barrel.
 
Thank you for the concern everybody, but I know what I'm going to use the hardware for and I know my budget. I've been in the world of computers, design, printing and art since I was born, so thank you for refreshing my memory.


Ok, may we please see your portfolio? Surely if your doing Professional Quality Webdesign™ you have a website of some kind that we can view. And whatever your doing on this much equipment must be pretty high end stuff.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.
 
I think you need too relax. I too had big visions at one point in time and I am glad I decided to get things one at at time. Start of slow and then pick up as needed. Get yourself a MBP and then make some money and then invest in more equipment if you find your MBP fails you.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.

I'd like to say well done for having the balls to admit this. This is a much much more sensible course of action and if down the line you can afford the Mac Pro then congratulations for doing well in what ever you are doing. If it turns out you can't you'll be so so glad you made this decision.

Thats a little better thinking! Anyway, can you run a 30" display off a macbook pro? What does it mean when it says like dual-link DVI-D?

The MBP can run a 30" fine.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.

Thats a little better thinking! Anyway, can you run a 30" display off a macbook pro? What does it mean when it says like dual-link DVI-D?
 
Jeesh, and I thought 1050 for a Macbook was alot to save up for...

Can I just say as a rising college freshman that having money on hand and actually making payments with that money every month is a hard thing to do. Considering the costs of college (and I don't think you know how much it will cost you yet, do you?) is something you should really be preparing for now. 11,000 dollars in loans is (its totally possible to have a YEARLY loan for college that high if you didn't know that) a lot of money and you really should have second thoughts about what you want to do with $11,000 in credit. Seeing how you say you have $11,xxx to spend in a budget, maybe you don't really understand how credit works. $11,000 in credit is going to be ALOT MORE than $11,000 after interest kicks in and regardless of you claiming to be able to make '7,xxx' in the summer, as a teen, I don't think its too healthy to sit around and say "Ah I've got $7,xxx all lined up to pay off credit debt for two friggin computers!" and a lot of things can happen if you think you'll be making a 'measly' payment of $250 dollars a month for credit (Which some have calculated on the forum to be a payment that will be made in 8 years, jeesh)

Even if you can afford these 'payments' by the time you finish paying for your Macbook pro, they will look much like a Powerbook Wallstreet does now. I think you should definitely just get a Macbook pro, make large payments on it and get it over with instead of having the weight of 15,000 dollars even after your time in college will be over. Don't use that much credit especially if you are just speculating (don't tell me you are not speculating and that this is a sure amount of money your making if you haven't started working to get it yet) how much money you make, I only recommend that you use credit if you have the same amount of cash in hand as the credit you are using to back it. Credit should be used for paying off something as long as you know you have money and certain to be making money after you make the purchase.

I'm sorry for going off on a rant (and perhaps repeating what others have previously said/going in circles) but if you are still reading this, buy a Macbook pro, max it out, show a girl at school the fastest laptop there and impress her. :rolleyes: (Why not spend some of that money on fun eh? Thats a lot of dinners at Ruby Tuesday) But seriously reconsider what you really need.
 
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I'll only have to pay $117 per month for the complete setup and I'll buy the software and accessories with cash.
 
I'd like to say well done for having the balls to admit this. This is a much much more sensible course of action and if down the line you can afford the Mac Pro then congratulations for doing well in what ever you are doing. If it turns out you can't you'll be so so glad you made this decision.

Agreed, many would have posted "you're just jealous" and not come back.

Heeriill: I'm not sure if you considered tax on your purchases, also you haven't mentioned software costs? I am aware many see nothing wrong in pirating these days, but if you are getting started in business try and start in the right mindset for the future.

Goodluck in your endeavours.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.

Good decision.:)

I too would love to have a Mac Pro. I have been tempted to tell my dad we need one for the office, but the truth is that my MB (not pro) is capable of doing all what I need to make for the moment.
We do have an old G4, but it is old and quite unusable.

When time comes, and if I ever get good on design and video editing, I'll buy a Mac Pro.
But currently I am a stressed college student studying mechanical engineer.:p
 
That is still a very good setup make no bones about it. You can get 4Gb ram third party for around $300, if you feel the need to upgrade. This is by far the better course of action. This will be much much more manageable.

Many people contributed to this thread because they didn't want to see you possibly mess up your life by getting into such serious debt so early on in life and all the possible ramifications entailed.
 
Agreed, many would have posted "you're just jealous" and not come back.

Heeriill: I'm not sure if you considered tax on your purchases, also you haven't mentioned software costs? I am aware many see nothing wrong in pirating these days, but if you are getting started in business try and start in the right mindset for the future.

Goodluck in your endeavours.

I'm going to use the software for personal use for quite a while, so I'll start with http://www.academicsuperstore.com/market/marketdisp.html?PartNo=798239. I did consider taxes; I will have a security before I make this purchase. I'm not going to be making this purchase for at least 3 months.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.

Smart decision. The Macbook Pro will definitely be plenty of power for you, and the other 7 grand or so can go towards your first car, first year of college, or even a vacation or something.
 
Stick with the 2gbs of ram and see what its like before buying more ram. Unless you are doing tabloid sized posters at 300dpi then you wont need more, and even then its perfectly doable and not worth the money for more ram.

Personally I wouldnt get the 17" since it seems overkill, but whatever, atleast its not like wasting money on a MP. The 15" LED MBP may be a wiser choice since I think it may have better picture quality, picture quality is by far the most important thing for design.
 
I'm glad to see you've come around. I'd just like to give my two cents here as I was a lot like you and started doing design work when I was 15 and 9 years later I'm the VP of User Experience at a successful web application development company.

The first bit of advice I can give is that you must first learn to know what you don't know. That is, understand that your knowledge base is limited and seek advice from others as much as possible. Things like getting good statements of work for all jobs you do and making the client pay forward are things better to understand before rather than learning from the school of hard knocks.

Second, you are young now but rapidly your life is going to change. You WILL be in a completely different place in your life in 5 years than you believe. Nothing goes according to plan so the best you can do is make good choices along the way and try your best to achieve every goal. Don't make lofty goals with no plan on how to reach them. Make goals then set milestones to reach along the way.

On the specific issue of doing design work there are a few things to consider. Great designers don't need $11,000 worth of hardware to do their job. They don't need the latest and greatest computers. To prove this just go down to the local art museum or look at the great artwork made (on computers) over the last 10 years. Look at Toy Story the movie which was made on computers likely less powerful than an iPhone! When I started, my first real computer was a 5x86 133mhz running windows 95 and photoshop 3. I had 12mb of ram and a 1mb video card! I upgraded throughout the years but it wasn't until this year that I bought my first brand new top of the line machine. The truth is, I understood the technology better and appreciated what I had more when I had to struggle for it all.

And that's the most important thing you can do. Struggle. Work your ass off. Work 16 hours a day for a few weeks to make something perfect. Strive for the impossible and never give in. Don't do this because it seems like a good source for quick cash... do this because it's what you love and the rest will come naturally.

And to the person saying that a $1,000 web site is a big job requiring many many people, don't listen to them. You need to gauge where your level is and charge accordingly. My advice is to not get too bogged down into support contracts where you make x number of dollars per month to do n number of updates. It's a time suck. Don't get sucked in! You will lose more money and time doing this. If you are a beginner a $1,000 web site might seem like a great deal but as you advance you need to understand that a real company wouldn't touch a $1,000 web site. There are many reasons which if you wanted to understand better you can send me a PM and we can talk. The biggest protection you can have is to meet with clients and explain everything you're going to do, write it up into a statement of work, attach a price and a deadline, list out what they need to provide you before work begins (partial payment and any content you'll need) and then get them to sign it. This protects your ass big time and alleviates questions as to what you were supposed to do for them where they expected more than you provided etc.

Ok, rant over. Good luck!

And for what it's worth, get a MBP and a 24" dell LCD. You'll be set. You don't NEED a 30". Trust me.
 
I'll only have to pay $117 per month for the complete setup and I'll buy the software and accessories with cash.
If you're capable of paying $200+ per month as you said before, you should go ahead and do that so as to pay it off sooner and pay less interest. You never want to pay minimum payments on credit cards or anything.

What you're talking about now is much better and maybe reasonable if you're really gonna make money off it. Still, be aware that this is still a huge, huge purchase for a teenager. I come from a pretty wealthy area and it would not be common for a teenager to get a current high-end laptop for their own personal use; normally they'd either use a family computer or get a hand-me-down. A few people had low-end Windows laptops in high school but they probably bought them with their own money.
 
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And that's the most important thing you can do. Struggle. Work your ass off. Work 16 hours a day for a few weeks to make something perfect. Strive for the impossible and never give in. Don't do this because it seems like a good source for quick cash... do this because it's what you love and the rest will come naturally.

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Mister, I must say you are a great man.

Very good piece of advice right there.
 
I'm glad to see you've come around. I'd just like to give my two cents here as I was a lot like you and started doing design work when I was 15 and 9 years later I'm the VP of User Experience at a successful web application development company.

The first bit of advice I can give is that you must first learn to know what you don't know. That is, understand that your knowledge base is limited and seek advice from others as much as possible. Things like getting good statements of work for all jobs you do and making the client pay forward are things better to understand before rather than learning from the school of hard knocks.

Second, you are young now but rapidly your life is going to change. You WILL be in a completely different place in your life in 5 years than you believe. Nothing goes according to plan so the best you can do is make good choices along the way and try your best to achieve every goal. Don't make lofty goals with no plan on how to reach them. Make goals then set milestones to reach along the way.

On the specific issue of doing design work there are a few things to consider. Great designers don't need $11,000 worth of hardware to do their job. They don't need the latest and greatest computers. To prove this just go down to the local art museum or look at the great artwork made (on computers) over the last 10 years. Look at Toy Story the movie which was made on computers likely less powerful than an iPhone! When I started, my first real computer was a 5x86 133mhz running windows 95 and photoshop 3. I had 12mb of ram and a 1mb video card! I upgraded throughout the years but it wasn't until this year that I bought my first brand new top of the line machine. The truth is, I understood the technology better and appreciated what I had more when I had to struggle for it all.

And that's the most important thing you can do. Struggle. Work your ass off. Work 16 hours a day for a few weeks to make something perfect. Strive for the impossible and never give in. Don't do this because it seems like a good source for quick cash... do this because it's what you love and the rest will come naturally.

And to the person saying that a $1,000 web site is a big job requiring many many people, don't listen to them. You need to gauge where your level is and charge accordingly. My advice is to not get too bogged down into support contracts where you make x number of dollars per month to do n number of updates. It's a time suck. Don't get sucked in! You will lose more money and time doing this. If you are a beginner a $1,000 web site might seem like a great deal but as you advance you need to understand that a real company wouldn't touch a $1,000 web site. There are many reasons which if you wanted to understand better you can send me a PM and we can talk. The biggest protection you can have is to meet with clients and explain everything you're going to do, write it up into a statement of work, attach a price and a deadline, list out what they need to provide you before work begins (partial payment and any content you'll need) and then get them to sign it. This protects your ass big time and alleviates questions as to what you were supposed to do for them where they expected more than you provided etc.

Ok, rant over. Good luck!

And for what it's worth, get a MBP and a 24" dell LCD. You'll be set. You don't NEED a 30". Trust me.

Thank you for the information and guidance. I'll make sure to contact you once I find my niche and start producing good work.
If you're capable of paying $200+ per month as you said before, you should go ahead and do that so as to pay it off sooner and pay less interest. You never want to pay minimum payments on credit cards or anything.

What you're talking about now is much better and maybe reasonable if you're really gonna make money off it. Still, be aware that this is still a huge, huge purchase for a teenager. I come from a pretty wealthy area and it would not be common for a teenager to get a current high-end laptop for their own personal use; normally they'd either use a family computer or get a hand-me-down. A few people had low-end Windows laptops in high school but they probably bought them with their own money.

That's exactly what I was thinking. This is way better because it relieves the stress of getting the money I need every month and makes things much less complicated. I made $100 in a week doing two 10 minutes typing jobs for my father.
 
I've been wanting the Mac Pro so I can feel that I have the desktop and laptop as most of you stated, but I've thought about this and you're also right that I don't need the Mac Pro for anything but enjoyment. I've changed my plan to getting a MacBook Pro with a Dell 30" and I'll use the MacBook as a Desktop when I'm not mobile. I'll post the configuration soon. I would also like to thank everybody who posted for helping me and apologize for my ignorance.
Glad to see that you are considering cheaper alternatives.

Good businesspersons are frugal. You get what you need to get the job done and don't over extend yourself on capital expenses. And never bet on the come.

With regards to the credit card and your original concept of 11,xxx. Juniper has an interest rate between 13.74% variable and 22.74 variable base on your credit creditworthiness. Not sure where you would end up on yours, but let's just split the difference for fun.

That would give you a 18.24% variable rate. Which means it can increase in the future.

So at the 18.24% annual rate, if you make a payment of $200/month, it will take you about 115 payments to pay off the credit card debt. Or to put it another way, you will pay around $23,000 over almost 10 years on the original $11,000 debt.

Even at the low end 13.74% annual rate you will pay $17,200 over a little over 7 years.

At the high end 22.74% annual rate you would end up paying even more.

It is good to remember that credit card companies have a nasty habit of increasing rates as well.

Just some food for thought. In business, it is usually much better to get a bank loan or line of credit (different than a credit card) for business expansion. And remember, with a bank you can negotiate the loan terms (periods, interest rate, etc.).
 
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