Hahaha, I assume you're in IT - me too. That's all too funny.
What are you doing snooping through company blackberry emails!
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Hahaha, I assume you're in IT - me too. That's all too funny.
What are you doing snooping through company blackberry emails!
But push e-mail is done by the server, not the phone.
So what changed for you? You switched phones and e-mail addresses at the same time?
(Or are you talking about iPhone ver 1.0? Some differences there, yes.)
Hahaha, I assume you're in IT - me too. That's all too funny.
What are you doing snooping through company blackberry emails!
I'm actually a retoucher in NYC. I regularly work onsite at ad agencies, thus I've spent enough time in midtown elevators (where 99% of Blackberrying seems to happen) to hazard a guess as to what really goes on on a BB.
Sorry for the hijack, but the quoted post is completely off base. First of all, being in charge of your own business is not the only reason for needing instant email. There literally are hundred of examples, but how about focusing only on the people who aspire to being in charge of a business (or business segment) one day. I would hope that would include almost everyone.
Second, people need to get over the "leave work at work" and "spend more time with your family" bullsh*t. If you'd think about it logically, you'd realize that getting instant email actually allows you to spend more time with your family. I spent yesterday afternoon at the beach with my wife and 2 kids (ages 2 and 3). Why was I able to do this? Because I knew that, with instant email, I would be able to keep on top of what was going on at work.
I don't buy it.
What, exactly, could happen that can't wait 15 minutes, but also isn't important enough for them to call you?
Please tell me a single situation that fits BOTH of those criteria, beacuse I can't think of any.
First of all, who said anything about 15 minutes? I was going to the beach for the rest of the afternoon.
Second of all, what planet do you live on? My clients and colleagues hardly ever pick up the phone anymore. Generally, everything is done by email.
Two scenarios, which makes more sense to you?
(1) I email the dozens of lawyers and clients I work with, letting them know that I'm leaving the office 3 hours early, and, if they need me, to please call me instead of email me like they normally do. And, by the way, please call my cell phone, not my office phone like you normally do, because I won't be in the office.
(2) Leave the office and take my iPhone with me.
Because your post doesn't evidence a ton of intelligence (note that I'm criticizing your post, not you personally), I'll give you a hint: version 2 makes a lot more sense.
A colleague is in a meeting or court where they cannot place a phone call and need something immediately. They can email from there iPhone to my iPhone and I can get it for them. That is just one example of literally 1,000's I could come up with.
Is it essential 24/7/365? No, but there are times and they do happen regularly.
That's how long it takes the iPhone to fetch e-mail. In other words, if someone e-mails you, you'll have it in 15 minutes.
Thus, I'm assuming you are worried about things that MUST have a response within 15 minutes.
So, what are those things? That's all I'm asking.
This is truly bizarre. If you thought I was suggesting this then I understand why you think I'm a dolt. But since I said nothing of the sort, you can be assured that I'm not an idiot.
Ha! The judges I know will temporarily confiscate your phone or kick you out of their courtroom if you use your BB in court.
Thank you. This is all I was asking for from the other guy.
I do, however, want to ask how you can do any of these things from the beach. Seems to me that if you can get something from your phone for them, they could do the same.
That's what I'm asking about here. The specific example of "what do you need, instantly, while at the beach?" I feel that 15 minutes is acceptable in that situation.
If the iPhone is not meeting your needs, then you have 2 choices. First, reevaluate your needs. Can you live with getting email like the iPhone delivers it? Second, sell the iPhone and go back to a Blackberry.
The iPhone is just a tool, albeit a very nice one. However, if it doesn't meet your needs, then it is time to get rid of it.
Ok I really start to hate the "why do you need instant email" people. Stop judging other people already. Some want a 50" Plasma, some want a fast car and believe it or not, there are some people that want instant email. I mostly use it as an SMS replacement. Me and my friends all got push email and we hardly ever use SMS anymore. Saves money and if you are at a computer you can choose to answer with full size keyboard to speed things up. Email is also way better to work with compared to SMS.
Also a phone call is not a replacement for this. A phone call interrupts the receiver in whatever he is doing. An email or SMS leaves the receiver the choice if he wants to answer right away or at a later point.
So if you do not need instant email that is great but stop being so narrowminded. You are also being totally offtopic and no help at all here.
Also a phone call is not a replacement for this. A phone call interrupts the receiver in whatever he is doing. An email or SMS leaves the receiver the choice if he wants to answer right away or at a later point.
So if you do not need instant email that is great but stop being so narrowminded. You are also being totally offtopic and no help at all here.
That could certainly happen but it all depends on the situation and how it's done. If an assistant sitting behind counsels table sent the email it probably wouldn't even be noticed.
Well it depends on if I took something to the beach that they needed!
But seriously, my scenario had nothing to do with the beach. The scenario assumes I was someplace that I would have access to what was needed.
But another scenario more applicable to me is that as the IT manager for my office I get alerts all of the time. Some of those alerts are time critical. If a server crashes, it could result in lost revenue for every minute that server is down. Now, if you know what you are doing and have backup servers in place this shouldn't be a huge issue but again, every minute can matter.
My understanding is that it wasn't that Gmail had push it was either the Nokia email app or other software that enabled the Gmail push. But I am not 100% on that.
Unbelievable. Here you are with an iPhone that allows you instant access to YouTube, the web, games, 3G data speeds and all that other 'essential' stuff and you're arguing that push email isn't any use to anyone.
mine is consistant. it wasnt in the beginning when the iphone came out but it is now. for me atleast. and as long as you have it set to push on the iphone. then thats all you need.
I took your comments about leaving work at work and spending more time with the family as being against mobile email -- not what you meant, but you can see how/why I inferred that. In any event, I think you're right about the 15 minutes issue -- there's not a whole lot in life that can't wait 15 minutes. Instant email is great, but not as important as simply getting email from anywhere.
Define "push".
I take the definition that "push" means that events on a server can trigger a data transfer without being told to by the client. Presuming that you keep the TCP/IP socket open, this is exactly what happens with an IMAP IDLE command.
Of course, there are many drawbacks to the IMAP IDLE command. These mainly revolve around having to keep the data connection active constantly, which is a problem because:
- it eats up battery life.
- it is difficult when 3G coverage is spotty.
- it is impossible to maintain an active EDGE data connection while sending/receiving calls.
If you look up the RFC dealing with push extensions to IMAP, you'll find that the IDLE command is considered a valid mechanism (in fact it's the only mandatory mechanism) that may be used to implement "real" push functionality. It is ideally suited to situations such as stationary computers where battery concerns are less relevant and data connections typically really are always on.
Other mechanisms for realizing push email are all considered optional, and they include using an out-of-channel mechanism such as SMS messages or GPRS packets routed to the device's registered phone number to send notification of server events. This allows the power-hungry data connection to be severed, and the server will still be able to send notifications using that alternative, always-on, medium.
When a server event happens, the specially formatted message is recognized by the receiving phone, and intercepted before being displayed like other SMS messages would be; instead it is used to trigger an automatic email download. This has been conjectured to be the mechanism that is used in the iPhone, and in compatible email services. (Apparently, AT&T must recognize these specially formatted SMS or GPRS messages, and price them differently than they would "ordinary" SMS messages.)
If you want a 50" plasma, then you get a 50" plasma. Don't buy a 36 inch LCD and then gripe about why it's not giving you a 50" image.
If you want a fast car, go buy a fast car. Don't buy an SUV and then gripe that it's not acting like a fast car.
If you want a Blackberry, buy a Blackberry. Don't buy an iPhone and then gripe about what it mistake it was and that you need a Blackberry.
People seem to think that the iPhone was intended to replace every other smartphone out there. They are sorely mistaken. That goal has never been stated.
Business does not in all situations require instant push e-mail (in fact, some of us are quite happy being in positions that don't require us to be glued to our e-mail 24/7/365, and we make same amount, too). In fact, people have different needs, and different ways of organizing themselves. For expansive sync functions and tight Microsoft Integration, there's Windows Mobile. For simpler pursuits, there's Symbian or Palm OS. For obsessive control freaks who want to appear constantly busy while not actually doing very much, there's the Blackberry.
And for a happy medium somewhere in between, or for those who require richer content, there's the iPhone. Different needs, different philosophies, different devices. I would recommend that people quit trying to hammer square pegs into round holes. If you need a Blackberry, use one.
Maybe Apple's aggressive (some would say deceptive) marketing campaign along with all the fanboy posts touting it as a 'BlackBerry Killer' had something to do with that?
I find it amusing that prior to the launch everybody was welcoming the iPhone as the second coming. Now its deficiencies have come to light, all the apologists are resorting to the 'no one is forcing you to buy one' line, or 'it was never meant to do that'.
You may not see any need for instant email, but others do. In the same way I can't imagine a situation where anyone would need to view a YouTube video on a phone. But I accept the fact that some people see it as an important feature. The difference is I'm not going to resort to childish insults as you did with the BlackBerry users.
Please show me an Apple advertisement where the iPhone was described as a "Blackberry killer." Just one.
No? Okay. Show me an Apple advertisement where the iPhone was compared specifically to the Blackberry, or where ANY mention of Blackberry was made. Just one.
No? Okay. Show me a post on here where a supposed fanboy specifically called the iPhone a "Blackberry Killer." This one might be easier.
Actually, people like you assumed the iPhone was the second coming, and then freaked when it wasn't. The iPhone is over a year old now. Lack of Blackberry-ness isn't breaking news here.
Then go. Buy. A. Phone. That. Does. That.
I do and I have.
And I know better than to buy a Blackberry for that purpose.I'm sorry you feel that way. Some Blackberry addicts have a sense of humor about their "addiction." Others haven't taken the first of 12 steps yet.
I guess I should have known an ardent fanboy would twist the words and give this response. So along the same lines, my response is 'Do your own research'.
No. Not people me. However, I am not as closed minded as yourself and I can understand how some people may have expected something that offered an experience a little closer to the BlackBerry. Especially given Apple's claim of 'Enterprise ready' and their much advertised support of Active Sync.
Yep. That's another typical response from someone too immature to acknowledge other points-of-view. As it happens, I own both an iPhone and a BlackBerry. I am open minded enough to see the benefits in both devices and use one or the other at the appropriate time.
That's your idea of humor? I bet you're also one of those people who tries to excuse anti-social behavior by claiming 'that's just the way I am'.
It obviously upsets you to read any post that questions the almighty iPhone, so why not take some of your own advice and "read something else".
I twisted no words around. I simply used yours, and those words were viery clear and direct. You claimed that Apple and "fanboys" have "touted the iPhone as a Blackberry Killer." I asked you to show us.
And I'm not the one making the claim, so I will not do your homework for you. The burden of proof is on you. Surely you have something to back up your own arguments, or you wouldn't have made them, right?
Pot, kettle, black I suppose. Quite ironic that you can't even see your intolerance to a very simple, pragmatic approach. The iPhone isn't for everyone. WHY is that so hard to accept? The only people who would blindly support your position that the iPhone SHOULD fit everyone's needs is... well, an Apple fanboy. And I just don't accept that position.
Telling someone not to buy something that doesn't work for them isn't a slight. If Apple's products don't work for you, there's no point in letting Apple keep your money. If someone tells a person to stop banging their head against a brick wall because it's not productive, would you call them a Brick Wall Fanboy?
I don't need to excuse social behavior. I certainly don't need to excuse myself to you.
I never said "read something else." Now who's twisting words around?