I need my iphone e-mail to behave like Blackberry

[paj]

I really didn't want to play the childish game of addressing each and every word literally, but you seem to be unable (or maybe unwilling) to understand context and implied meaning.

I twisted no words around. I simply used yours, and those words were viery clear and direct. You claimed that Apple and "fanboys" have "touted the iPhone as a Blackberry Killer." I asked you to show us.

And I'm not the one making the claim, so I will not do your homework for you. The burden of proof is on you. Surely you have something to back up your own arguments, or you wouldn't have made them, right?

Here was you original statement:

Please show me an Apple advertisement where the iPhone was described as a "Blackberry killer." Just one.

If you re-read my post, you will clearly see that I meant no mention of any Apple advertisement making that quote, but you chose to twist the words of my post in an attempt to support your argument (I use the word argument loosely). As for the fanboys touting the iPhone as a 'blackberry killer', then you don't have to look far to find posts implying exactly that. In fact, you'll find plenty by using those exact words literally. You can try it in Google too if you like.

Pot, kettle, black I suppose. Quite ironic that you can't even see your intolerance to a very simple, pragmatic approach. The iPhone isn't for everyone. WHY is that so hard to accept? The only people who would blindly support your position that the iPhone SHOULD fit everyone's needs is... well, an Apple fanboy. And I just don't accept that position.

Now I am really beginning to question whether you read your own post, let alone mine. I am fully aware the iPhone is not for everyone. That was the whole premise of my original post. It's also the reason I use both devices.

Let's recap... You entered this thread in direct response to a post by yoomy, where he was asking people to accept the fact that some people may need instant email. In your response, you made the following statement:

"People seem to think that the iPhone was intended to replace every other smartphone out there. They are sorely mistaken. That goal has never been stated."

You then finished up with the following statement:

"For obsessive control freaks who want to appear constantly busy while not actually doing very much, there's the Blackberry."

I then responded by giving you a possible reason why people might have that expectation. I also re-iterated the fact that people have different needs and I expressed my amusement regarding the way fanboys blindly support or defend Apple depending on whether a feature is, or is not included in the iPhone.

No problems so far…

Unfortunately, your next post started badly by mis-quoting me and went on to contain narrow minded and over-simplistic statements that categorize a typical fanboy type of post. So I responded in kind and corrected you erroneous assumptions regarding my device needs, usage and acceptance of other peoples requirements.

I never said "read something else." Now who's twisting words around?

Once again you seem to be unable to read beyond the actual words and letters. My "read something else" comment was in direct response to your "buy something else" comment.

 

[marksman]

Sorry for the hijack, but the quoted post is completely off base. First of all, being in charge of your own business is not the only reason for needing instant email. There literally are hundred of examples, but how about focusing only on the people who aspire to being in charge of a business (or business segment) one day. I would hope that would include almost everyone.

Second, people need to get over the "leave work at work" and "spend more time with your family" bullsh*t. If you'd think about it logically, you'd realize that getting instant email actually allows you to spend more time with your family. I spent yesterday afternoon at the beach with my wife and 2 kids (ages 2 and 3). Why was I able to do this? Because I knew that, with instant email, I would be able to keep on top of what was going on at work.

There is no job or business that requires instant e-mail.

All businesses and jobs have existed long before instant e-mail.

Can it be a nice tool? Sure. It is a requirement to do any job? Absolutely not.

People who tie themselves to check their phone for mail every time it beeps need sympathy. It is a sad state of affairs when you can't have more control over your life than to be a slave to your cell phone.

Most people who think they need instant mail will one day realize that they don't need mail let alone instant mail... and perhaps it will allow them to gain some control over their lives.

If there is some part of my business that demands constant attention, I will pay people to constantly attend to it. That way I know it is being taken care of, and I don't have to be a slave to a cell phone, or e-mail, and I can enjoy my life and worry about more important things.

 

[SFStateStudent]

OP, that's sad that the iPhone isn't working out for you, but AT&T is selling BB's (refurb) for $49 and you can keep your voice and data plans. My MobileMe is instant on my iPhone and my MBA is a minute or so later...

 

[yoomy]

There is no job or business that requires instant e-mail.

All businesses and jobs have existed long before instant e-mail.

Can it be a nice tool? Sure. It is a requirement to do any job? Absolutely not.

People who tie themselves to check their phone for mail every time it beeps need sympathy. It is a sad state of affairs when you can't have more control over your life than to be a slave to your cell phone.

Most people who think they need instant mail will one day realize that they don't need mail let alone instant mail... and perhaps it will allow them to gain some control over their lives.

If there is some part of my business that demands constant attention, I will pay people to constantly attend to it. That way I know it is being taken care of, and I don't have to be a slave to a cell phone, or e-mail, and I can enjoy my life and worry about more important things.

That's a bunch of crap. People said the same about cellphones a few years ago. You don't need TVs, Phones or any technological invention at all to be happy, but new stuff gets invented and the people that find it useful start to use. If you don't need, fine, but stop posting such crap.

 

[alFR]

That's a bunch of crap. People said the same about cellphones a few years ago. You don't need TVs, Phones or any technological invention at all to be happy, but new stuff gets invented and the people that find it useful start to use. If you don't need, fine, but stop posting such crap.

OK, can I ask you:

1. Do you have instant mobile email? If so, how long have you had it?
2. How long have you been doing your job?

If the figure you give in 2 is larger than the one you give in 1, you don't need instant email for your job.....

Is it useful for many, many people? Sure. Would the world fall into chaos if it disappeared tomorrow? Of course not.

 

[needthephone]

I think this thread was started by blackberry marketing-am I wrong??

I have managed to get push email working using ms exchange and it works faultlessly. In fact I have compared my iPhone to bb users and they say the iPhone performs better. If you delete an email on the iPhone seconds later it deletes from the inbox of the pc whereas on the bb it just is greyed out it doesn't delete. I can get meetings to work plus contacts but the best thing is that when I don't want my work email I can just suspend it using mail settingsI can read PDF exel doc etc and I couldn't ask for more.

Typing is very fast(this post is from my iPhone) so I don really know what you are talking about. I also asked a bb user to show me their maps but he was having so much trouble I said don't bother to put him out of his misery.

My company is evaluating iPhone and so far they are considering bringing them in for those who want them.

My email experience has benn faultless.

 

[scaredpoet]

I really didn't want to play the childish game of addressing each and every word literally,

But you are. Once again you're doing something and denying it, all in the same breath.

If you re-read my post, you will clearly see that I meant no mention of any Apple advertisement making that quote,

Here's what you said (emphasis mine):

Maybe Apple's aggressive (some would say deceptive) marketing campaign along with all the fanboy posts touting it as a 'BlackBerry Killer' had something to do with that?

That's a pretty clear attribution if you ask me. Now you're just trying to back out of it by playing semantics, and are annoyed that I called you on it.

But that's fine, your statements speak for themselves, and clearly you seem to be the type who has to have the last word, so go right ahead. It's just a damned shame you had to derail the thread to attempt to defend yourself.

 

[samiwas]

That's a bunch of crap. People said the same about cellphones a few years ago. You don't need TVs, Phones or any technological invention at all to be happy, but new stuff gets invented and the people that find it useful start to use. If you don't need, fine, but stop posting such crap.

What marksman posted was not crap at all. Here's where people are getting bogged down in semantics in this discussion.

No one absolutely NEEDS instant email. Plain and simple. You just don't. If your business would actually crumble apart any time you can't be reached instantly, then there are plenty of other problems to deal with. OK, besides that fact, YES...many people WANT instant email. WANT and NEED are two very different things. Stop posing your desire to have instant email as a definite need. You can want it, and that's fine...have at it.

I'm so glad I can check my email whenever the hell I feel like it, and whoever is on the other end can just wait for that. Even my work email.

 

[yoomy]

Ok some people here obviously want PUSH email, why do they have to justify it? The iPhone supports PUSH email and some are having trouble with it. To tell them that they don't need it is it a solution to the problem.

 

[skubish]

I upgraded from Black Berry to iphone 3G. what a mistake. My life is
around getting my e-mails instantly. I tried every trics to get e-mail
notification at all time I was not able to make it behave like
blackberry or SMS in iphone. Technical support of my service provider
suggested to open g-mail acount, assuming g-mail push faster than
yahoo, but still i do not get notification unless i am on the phone or
internet. i get my messages when i turn the dumn thing on. I tried
mobileme free trial hopitng it would give me the option to notify me
as soon as there is an e-mail for me, that did not help me either. How
do i make my sexy looking but cold behaving phone to alert me when as
soon as i get mail. I hope you do not tell me to change the option of
lock to never autolock. any hope?

Sorry but no one needs instant email. Want yes need no.
I am sure you don't have it set right because my push email works fine.

Thread fail

 

[slicecom]

The Blackberry is the business person's Twitter. It's AIM4MBAs. The corprobots have grown so accustomed to having instant email, they think they NEED it. The entire Blackberry network is swarming with messages from middle management suckups mired in meaningless interoffice political claptrap.

Here are some typical BB emails...

Tom: Did you see the look on Larry's face at the presentation?
Chad: Roger.
Tom: No, Larry.

----------------------------

From Lisa
To: Everyone in The Big Project Group

Subj: We are go on that big project!

Hi everyone. Great seeing you all in that meeting 3 minutes ago. Just wanted to touch base so we don't lose focus. The big project we just talked about is very important, which is why we just had the meeting.

BTW, I will be counting this email and all replies towards my monthly quota of managerial communications. Thanks!

Talk soon!

Lisa
VP of BS

LOL Post of the year!

 

[samiwas]

Ok some people here obviously want PUSH email, why do they have to justify it? The iPhone supports PUSH email and some are having trouble with it. To tell them that they don't need it is it a solution to the problem.

In my case it's more about just poking a little fun at people who's lives are barren without it. I would never say that the solution to broken push email is just to let it go. Sure, OK...it should work. But if you simply can't live without it, people like us are happy we are not you. I have been contacted by phone by one of those BB drones who said "I just emailed you a few minutes ago about blah blah blah, but haven't heard back from you." I simply laughed at them and dealt with what we needed to over the phone...because it was not anything that needed that kind of attention.

I don't know if what you wrote above was a typo ("To tell them that they don't need it is it a solution to the problem."), but that's exactly what some of us are saying. You can want push email, you can use push email around the clock, but that still does not mean you *need* it. Yes, if it is a service that is offered, it should work.

Same thing applies to every other piece of technology that makes you instantly available at any time...the world ran forever up until a few years ago without most of it. Instant access has made people expect instant access, simply because it is there. You will not die without it. But it still should work.

 

[StoneColdSober]

To those saying no one needs instant email, I bow down. You are correct.

Now please hold on whilst I go start a fire atop the roof of my office building so I can start sending smoke signals.

BRB

 

[baaron]

Mobile me does work for push email. I have it on one of my tester phones.

Things to check.
1. Hard Reset
2. Make sure in your settings that you have specified Push Email retrevial method.

 

[seedster2]

Debating the necessity of Push email doesnt really address the OP's debate.

I can say for the fact that Push has saved my ass several times.

Those of you who debate its merits are fortunate to not work in fast paced environment where surprises lurk around every corner. Push has allowed me to mitigate issues while in meetings and time sensitive situations. I don't always have that luxury of 15 minutes like the rest of you.

 

[StoneColdSober]

I can say for the fact that Push has saved my ass several times.

Those of you who debate its merits are fortunate to not work in fast paced environment where surprises lurk around every corner. Push has allowed me to mitigate issues while in meetings and time sensitive situations. I don't always have that luxury of 15 minutes like the rest of you.

Now come on, you know that any of those situations you are alluding to could easily have been handled by the dispatching of squires to and fro with messages. Or alternatively, carrier pigeons. You are just crazy and need to relax a little.

Meanwhile I need to go collect some green twigs and brush to really get some quality smoke going up on the roof. I need to send an urgent response back to Sir Buckley over in the neighboring valley.

 

[johnnyjibbs]

OK, can I ask you:

1. Do you have instant mobile email? If so, how long have you had it?
2. How long have you been doing your job?

If the figure you give in 2 is larger than the one you give in 1, you don't need instant email for your job.....

Is it useful for many, many people? Sure. Would the world fall into chaos if it disappeared tomorrow? Of course not.

I agree with you and everyone in the camp that instant email is not really neccessary and I for one hate the idea of being increasingly a slave to our mobile devices (and all technological gadgets including computers to some extent).

But the argument you are making here is ever so slightly different because of competitive landscapes. Yes, we could all run our businesses and do our jobs without push email or even email at all but for some people it would not be possible now to stay at the top of the game because competitors would be there first.

Example: news reporters could still communicate their stories before technology but it took longer. That didn't matter though because it was the same for everybody. Now, however, I imagine it's a mad scramble to get a message communicated instantly. These days, much of the article writing itself can be done in the field.

Another example would be a factory making a certain product by hand. If automation technology comes along that speeds up the throughput, yes you don't need it, but if all your competitors start using it you'll quickly find that you will need it to stay competitive.

The list goes on.


That said, I think this thread has slightly gone off on a tangent. The OP was having difficulty getting the same observed behaviour on his iPhone as a BlackBerry. I think he also suggests that there should be an option to have an SMS-style alert for emails as well, because the new mail sound is quite quiet and push isn't very useful if you can't feel/hear the alert!

My opinion is that push is working well for me on iPhone now that my MobileMe gremlins seem to have been fixed, but I can't compare it to a BlackBerry because I've never used one before. (Well, actually I had a go using one of the newish mobile phone type BlackBerries (Pearl?) last week and was pretty surprised how rudimentary and simple it was.)

That said, if the OP is not satisfied with the iPhone and has given it a good enough chance, he or she should start using a BlackBerry again until the iPhone has caught up.

 

[steviem]

If you really need Push email, then you really need to be hosting the email yourself (or at your company).

At my work, they never wanted to get into the BlackBerry culture, or have their data go via Canada.

Just recently I've been asked (directly by our CEO) to look into the feasibility of us supporting ActiveSync and I've set it all up (without ISA Server, but we have a cisco PIX at our Data Centre, so its ok).

The trials have been going really well, the only thing our CEO is missing out on is Task lists, but he's over the moon with it, and I think they are looking to get a budget to buy iPhones for people who need them. Which is nice...

But to reiterate, if you really need push email, talk to your IT Services team about it, or even better, go straight to the CTO and bother him about it. Or if you are the one who makes the decisions, decide if your need for Push email equates to a £5000 (maybe less) investment for the hardware and software required.

Also, did anyone see the episode of the Office US where Ryan just ignores people while he emails on his BlackBerry and then gives them time after? That pretty much sums BlackBerry (and ActiveSync) users up to a tee