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I sometimes think that Apple and the Dev team are in this together.
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Apple would be gainfully employed without the DevTeam or jailbreaking (Think about it)
DevTeam as a team or organization doesn't accept money or charge for jailbreaks (other then @comex for the last 2 jailbreaks)
Apple doesn't care about unlocks at all, in the US or anywhere. Only AT&T cares. That's why only AT&T can authorize a factory unlock on an iPhone in the US, not Apple. They just use Apple's servers via iTunes to do the unlock.
You're conflating two different things into one.
The iOS could be completely open to develop and distribute programs for, yet Apple could still restrict what it sells in its App Store. The same thing is true for any platform. For example, the Android dev tools are free, and anyone can target the device. But not everyone gets accepted into Google's app store, or into any carrier's app store.
And that doesn't even address apps like isteamy that are little else but a specialized web browser.
You can monetize the app and only permit builtin content with paid updates, or you can give the app away and monetize the content. Assuming the developer wants to monetize anything. Otherwise it's just a specialized browser, and could almost as easily be done entirely as a web app, accessible with any web browser. If you're monetizing access or content, you use all the normal web-browser access controls, like HTTPS and login pages.
Oh and yes I think that is ridiculous that some of the jail-broken apps aren't free.
How is it ridiculous? Those developers spent time and money to create those apps, and you expect them to just hand them over for free? These individual developers aren't able to get the same in-app advertising to cover their costs like companies can, so they have to recover their costs somehow. So what if something isn't guaranteed to work on iOS 4.0+? You still got usage out of them when you initially bought them. There's no guarantee that all App Store apps are going to continue to update for every new iOS release either.
Looks like you don't know how security programming works. There's no such thing as a perfect code.
You sir are correct! Android plus the Dev team pushes Apple to evolve! But, what if Apple opened up. Think how revolutionary that would be!! Think back to Jan 2007 when Steve announced the iPhone. Remember how exciting it was? It was the only smart phone that advanced! In order for Apple to pull that off again they have to give us what we want!!
Oh and yes I think that is ridiculous that some of the jail-broken apps aren't free.
I believe that compared to the total iPhone base, us JB-ers are a small percentage. Apple barely listens. But if Android pushes the envelope, Jobs has to respond or suffer the financial consequences. As well, he counts on hooking customers with the user experience that is not quite the same phone to phone. Is that loyalty or laziness? Or both. I used to be a hardcore Palm addict. Laughed at people waiting in line for iPhones. Now I'm a convert. For now. But it's a pretty great phone, even though phoning is last on its list of uses for me.
Yes, u figured me out.
Can you teach me?
I thought software code is unhackable.
Please tell me more about programming.
If you think like a non-computer user, the iphone is revolutionary. The user doesn't have to worry as much about viruses or crashes all the time and they get a uniform presentation, because Apple has controlled the system. That is not necessarily the case with Google's android OS.
Personally, I think jailbreaking gives us the best of both worlds: the ability to customize and the unified look of Apple's OS.
Personally, I think jailbreaking gives us the best of both worlds: the ability to customize and the unified look of Apple's OS.
I agree, my mum can use a standard iphone and i can use a jailbroken. Her needs are met and so are mine. But on a android phone, who knows what kind of malicious app she could acquire.
The three posts/quote above me are on point.
Apple's current success with the iPhone has a lot to do with it's closed system, and I think for the most part it should stay that way. How many people do you see have issues with jailbreaking or related software? Imagine that everyone had access to that? iOS would be like previous iterations of Windows.
While I don't think the two are in it together, I'm gonna have to agree with the comments saying that jailbreaking and the also awesome Android platform have pushed iOS to be what it is. I honestly think the jailbreak community has formed the mobile computing landscape. I remember laughing at the iPhone at the time of it's release for offering nothing really new. Then Installer came out, I bought my used 4gb of craigslist, and everything changed
I don't think the Android community has had quite the same influence because other than employing multiple devices through the Open Handset Alliance, they mostly implemented the same open system that Installer had already established. And for those who remember the early previews of Android, it looked nothing like what it was at its inception or current Froyo state. You better believe it was affected by the iPhone success that was due in part to the jailbreak developers.
But yeah. I think everything is fine how it is. I've always had fun doing stuff to my Apple products that Apple said I shouldn't do anyways. Rockbox iPods, OS X tweaks, non-software based themes. It's fun.
Apple's current success with the iPhone has a lot to do with it's closed system, and I think for the most part it should stay that way. How many people do you see have issues with jailbreaking or related software? Imagine that everyone had access to that? iOS would be like previous iterations of Windows.
While I don't think the two are in it together, I'm gonna have to agree with the comments saying that jailbreaking and the also awesome Android platform have pushed iOS to be what it is. I honestly think the jailbreak community has formed the mobile computing landscape. I remember laughing at the iPhone at the time of it's release for offering nothing really new. Then Installer came out, I bought my used 4gb of craigslist, and everything changed
I don't think the Android community has had quite the same influence because other than employing multiple devices through the Open Handset Alliance, they mostly implemented the same open system that Installer had already established. And for those who remember the early previews of Android, it looked nothing like what it was at its inception or current Froyo state. You better believe it was affected by the iPhone success that was due in part to the jailbreak developers.
But yeah. I think everything is fine how it is. I've always had fun doing stuff to my Apple products that Apple said I shouldn't do anyways. Rockbox iPods, OS X tweaks, non-software based themes. It's fun.
On one hand, I like the fact that it takes some explicit know-how to jailbreak. This keeps end users who would install malicious software just because they don't know any better from ruining their phones, while people who want functionality like sshd or a root command prompt can have it.
What I want Apple to do is have an anti-piracy mechanism similar to Android that checks if an app is authorized and works regardless of JB status. Optimally, it wouldn't require a shared library, so each app would access Apple's server individually, then if it finds it is authorized, store a signed value (similar to the SHSH) so it wouldn't need to check again. This way, a pirate would be forced to hack every single app in order to have it work on their non authorized device, and an app update would force them to have to re-crack the app.
With this anti-piracy mechanism in place, it would not matter at all if a phone is JB-ed or not. Of course, there would be piracy, but it would be kept to a dull roar because of the effort needed to crack apps one by one.
What I want Apple to do is have an anti-piracy mechanism similar to Android that checks if an app is authorized and works regardless of JB status. Optimally, it wouldn't require a shared library, so each app would access Apple's server individually, then if it finds it is authorized, store a signed value (similar to the SHSH) so it wouldn't need to check again. This way, a pirate would be forced to hack every single app in order to have it work on their non authorized device, and an app update would force them to have to re-crack the app.
With this anti-piracy mechanism in place, it would not matter at all if a phone is JB-ed or not. Of course, there would be piracy, but it would be kept to a dull roar because of the effort needed to crack apps one by one.
You sir are correct! Android plus the Dev team pushes Apple to evolve! But, what if Apple opened up. Think how revolutionary that would be!! Think back to Jan 2007 when Steve announced the iPhone. Remember how exciting it was? It was the only smart phone that advanced! In order for Apple to pull that off again they have to give us what we want!!
Oh and yes I think that is ridiculous that some of the jail-broken apps aren't free.
The market for people wanting an open source iphone is very small. The average iphone user is your casual technology user that prob uses a computer just for surfing facebook or etc. And an open source iphone would cause to many problems for people without much computer intelligence.
Im not saying it takes a genius to pick up the stuff in cydia and how it works, but if your grandma went into cydia, she'd be lost.
True, true and true. Someone get Rob a vuvuzela!!
Maybe just the ability to theme would be nice. Without Jail breaking of course.
I haven't read the whole thread, so someone probably has already said this, but:
The JB Dev Team is not "gainfully employed." They do not make any money through exploiting and JB'ing except by way of donations, and they never ask for money.
Not really. I don't think the first iPhone was even a smartphone technically, since it couldn't multitask, and was unable to install apps (before the app store came about).
Don't get me wrong, I agree with a lot of what has been said in this thread, I have also had three android phones and still prefer my iPhone...but Apple really doesn't do many things first, it just does them best (IMHO).
And back on topic, i'm sure that while they don't work together there is a certain degree of joy out of the hype that the dev team and apple enjoy from jailbreaking, and stopping it.
I just don't get how apple has a team of PHD's working on ios, and then some guys exploit it in sometimes just a few days
The fault in that logic is that you believe it only took them a few day to find the exploit. They have an exploit ready for 4.1 well before it's even released, just like they had one they were holding back on for 4.0. I also take it you've never written an entire or even looked at the entire code for an OS. The fact that they have multipliable people working on it only adds to the chance for such errors to arise.