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I think Apple is in for a big, big surprise......
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If I get the same processor with the 5C & Verizon upgrade cost reflects the lower price they have to pay, I am all in for the C
All I want is a good phone with a great OS
A better camera and fingerprint reader add no value for me
I am past ready to retire my iP4....
All I want is a good phone with a great OS
A better camera and fingerprint reader add no value for me
I am past ready to retire my iP4....
Hopefully Apple has made the right choice in a lower end iPhone. But more importantly, that the iPhone 5S has a unique feature to stimulate sales not just internal upgrades which most don't care about. A FPS would do the trick and would probably have more functionality as time goes on.
This is probably the best thing Apple has done for the company since the original iPhone. Samsung is probably worried crazy...
The surprise will be just how many "new" iPhone users the 5c draws. And all the usual suspects will upgrade to the 5s, not just for the aluminum, but the 60fps camera and the fingerprint reader.
Apple is set to break records with this launch, sure the 5s may sell about the same as the 5 maybe even less, but the 5c will more than make up for it. And they made it in such a way that they will make almost the same profit on both so who cares which one the consumer buys, and the 5c is a better gateway drug into the Apple ecosystem, meaning more ATV buyers, more iPad buyers etc...
Apple is set to break records with this launch, sure the 5s may sell about the same as the 5 maybe even less, but the 5c will more than make up for it. And they made it in such a way that they will make almost the same profit on both so who cares which one the consumer buys, and the 5c is a better gateway drug into the Apple ecosystem, meaning more ATV buyers, more iPad buyers etc...
As per apple's comments re: iPad cannibalising the Mac: "It's better we do it than somebody else".
if there is an opportunity for a new product to cannibalise an existing apple product, it's better that apple make it than a competitor.
If you think that the 5c will cannibalise the 5s you're probably right to an extent. This is by design, because at the moment, the 5's sales are being cannibalised by cheaper android units.
I don't think it is rocket science. Up until now there has only been one current iPhone on the market so 'if' Apple release a 5C, then naturally this will take some sales off the 5S. I don't think it'll be that significant however. There will still be a lot of people who want the best iPhone, but there will be a new wave of customers who have not owned an iPhone before and will go for the less expensive option. I think Apple will gain customers and sales of the 5S will be stable. It is a win win situation really.
"I think Apple is in for a big, big surprise....."
The more I think about it the more I think that it is us that will be for a big surprise. Something just doesn't feel quite right with all these leaks that we are seeing almost on daily basis especially after Apple's promise to double up on secrecy. No one had a clue what Mac Pro would look like, or that it will be announced during WWDC. I don't know, but it almost feels that the entire iPhone 5C circus is staged... Oh well, all shall be revealed soon enough.
The more I think about it the more I think that it is us that will be for a big surprise. Something just doesn't feel quite right with all these leaks that we are seeing almost on daily basis especially after Apple's promise to double up on secrecy. No one had a clue what Mac Pro would look like, or that it will be announced during WWDC. I don't know, but it almost feels that the entire iPhone 5C circus is staged... Oh well, all shall be revealed soon enough.
They are not really cannibalised. Someone buying a $100 android phone was never going to pay $600 for a phone. There are just gazillions of people who are _not_ willing to pay $600 for a phone, no matter how good it is. It's only cannibalised if someone says "I was considering to buy an iPhone 5, but I bought X instead". $400 phones can cannibalise iPhone sales, $100 phones can't.
Of course a slightly cheaper iPhone will be taking away sales from these $400 phones. There are people who are buying "almost as good as iPhone 5 for less money", and if they buy such a product, Apple should make it an Apple product.
There is wayyyyyy to much out there for this to be staged. Now apple is holding a press event in china too. The 5C is real.
I'd like to see a box of the 5S. If there is a phone in doubt it would be the 5S. Sure we've seen the new colors but we haven't see a actual phone where the 5C we have already seen someone using one.
That is exactly why it doesn't feel right - there is way too much info out there, it's almost like a decoy and looks too obvious... I'm probably reading way too much into it anyway, hoping to be wowed and surprised
All this depends upon price and functions and no one yet knows exactly what will be offered at what cost.
Sure if the only difference is plastic vs. metal and the price difference is high- people go to 5C especially if you use a case anyway.
Big hardware difference (even if not function) and relatively close cost - go for the 5s.
a lot of decision points but without a lot of real facts.
Sure if the only difference is plastic vs. metal and the price difference is high- people go to 5C especially if you use a case anyway.
Big hardware difference (even if not function) and relatively close cost - go for the 5s.
a lot of decision points but without a lot of real facts.
Apple had little choice to bring out a lower priced phone to compete. They are no longer the only player.
I think choice is good and the C version will sell if priced right.
I think choice is good and the C version will sell if priced right.
Apple is in for a surprise alright. When people see the plastic phones and the identical iPhone 5s they will all flock to Samsung or HTC for their next phones. We need larger screens and Apple gives us the finger. Well, we will see how many middle fingers Apple will receive next week.
Won't be getting one from me. Seriously, the Apple market is not full of "fanboys" who want the latest gadget that boasts the most features. Apple features heavily in our household and helps educate our child with special needs, caregivers and educational staff too. For this ease of use and the ridiculously expensive educational apps we've had support to fund for, we won't be going anywhere even if we all end up in plastic. With our combinations of ipad minis, 5s's, Time Capsule, Macbook Air and Apple TV, we have a huge amount of ways to support our family. Last thing we're gonna do is bolt off to Samsung or the like.
Plastic devices are actually a good way forward for some. Children actually do use them (and they aren't used as lazy parenting believe me) and they are a expensive device to break.
I think it's time some people looked outside the box - it's not just marketed to the tech fans
I think Apple has planned well for the surprise. They know the cheaper iPhones sell well as they have found in the past by lowering the PRICE of the older phones. However, in the past there probably wasn't much that significantly lowered Apple's COST to make the old phones, so their margin suffered and that's what the analysts/stockholders look at.
So this time they have engineered the lower price phone to also have lower cost. Therefore they should still have decent margins. They are also trying to segmentize the market by having the lower model be cheaper looking or more toy-like, or less sophisticated so that they will bring in a new market of customers (but still offer them the true iPhone experience). Those who are image conscious are going to want to have the premium phone, so that will prevent the mass exedous to the cheaper version that the OP thinks will happen. In the past it was possible for the value conscious consumer to buy a lower priced phone and just look like they had last year's model, so no one knew they didn't spring for the premium phone a year ago. Now people will know who bought the premium and who bought the cheap phone and peer pressure will cause many to choose the higher priced model just for status.
So this time they have engineered the lower price phone to also have lower cost. Therefore they should still have decent margins. They are also trying to segmentize the market by having the lower model be cheaper looking or more toy-like, or less sophisticated so that they will bring in a new market of customers (but still offer them the true iPhone experience). Those who are image conscious are going to want to have the premium phone, so that will prevent the mass exedous to the cheaper version that the OP thinks will happen. In the past it was possible for the value conscious consumer to buy a lower priced phone and just look like they had last year's model, so no one knew they didn't spring for the premium phone a year ago. Now people will know who bought the premium and who bought the cheap phone and peer pressure will cause many to choose the higher priced model just for status.
They will obviously be a large differences other than plastic vs metal. I would also guess that 5C will only come in 16gb also. I doubt they are going to make 16/32/64gb versions of every color...that would be nuts on there part...
I thought the 5C was for emerging markets only. I presumed it won't be for sale in mainstream markets.
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I think its mainly about tapping into the emerging markets.
The iPhone 5S will sell well.
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I think its mainly about tapping into the emerging markets.
The iPhone 5S will sell well.
I was reading the entire thread to post this and then you steal it at the very last post :/
Not sure I agree on that. IMHO it is cannibalised if someone buys X device to perform function X, Y and Z instead of existing Y device because it is cheaper.
Cannibalisation typically refers to another product within the company. However, Apple's view is that if they don't make/sell a product that will potentially cannibalise one of their existing products, somebody else will, and they'll lose share.
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I think you'll find that it is cheaper for apple to make an iphone 5C than make an older 4s for example. It will be available in all markets is my bet, the FOCUS may be on "emerging markets" however.
The 5C is going to be the gateway drug for many people to step into the Apple ecosphere if they don't already own a bunch of Apple products.
It goes without saying that a cheaper but quality product will immediately outsell the more expensive quality product provided by the same company. When a company puts out both products like this its done purposely with ten tons of strategic thought behind it. (see; Porsche 911/Cayman; Mercedes S Class/ C Class; BMW 7 Series / 3 and the like)
When folks suggest that these are poor business moves (releasing a entry level and high end product at the same time) it shows just how business-stupid people really are. We're just consumers, we either like it and buy it or we don't and move on to something else.
Surprising, no. Its what happens when a company develops cult followers and Zealots, they are very emotional lamens who feel they can run that company better whenever they don't like something the company does or produces, when the reality is we are simply on-the-sideline consumers. We think of only ourselves, our own personal needs when it comes to whatever product that comes to market for purchase. Proof? see how polarizing every product thread (including this one) are in these forums its all emotions, I feel, I think, I wont, I will, I I I I.....
When folks suggest that these are poor business moves (releasing a entry level and high end product at the same time) it shows just how business-stupid people really are. We're just consumers, we either like it and buy it or we don't and move on to something else.
Surprising, no. Its what happens when a company develops cult followers and Zealots, they are very emotional lamens who feel they can run that company better whenever they don't like something the company does or produces, when the reality is we are simply on-the-sideline consumers. We think of only ourselves, our own personal needs when it comes to whatever product that comes to market for purchase. Proof? see how polarizing every product thread (including this one) are in these forums its all emotions, I feel, I think, I wont, I will, I I I I.....
The unfailing constant that Apple is, more than their vaunted simplicity (i.e., intentionally less features = simple) is their desire to price their products to the high-end market of each market segment.
iphone 5 is high-end of the high end.
iphone 5c will be the highend of the middle class
the iphone 3gs is the high end of the low class.
ipad mini = highest priced of any tablet of that size.
it's just the way they roll and will always be.
They behave exactly like BMW and Mercedes. They now have X1s, X3 series cars, but in each of their categories, they are at the high end.
Hoping for an Apple price break would require them to change their entire bylaws and dna. It won't happen.
Interestingly, Apple's laptops (macbook airs) are where their value lies. They are far underpriced for what you get. I believe that Apple is incredibly far ahead of the pack with laptops, but not not in front with their smartphones anymore. Why? Android is capable of doing more, the app selection is improving, their is consumer choice, etc. ios7 is nice visually but after a month with it you realize that a new coat of paint psychologically does wonders but is no substitute for more features. Android and ios are now a wash. So to price their phones into the stratosphere is not that justified. The HTC one is engineered BETTER than the iPhone 5.
With the macbook airs, however, there is no competition. None. Battery life per pound, general screen quality, speaker quality, keyboard quality, and teh big one: touchpad ergonomics. Boot up time, os X vs windows or linux, etc. The list goes on. In every single category, every single category for evaluating a laptop, apple is way ahead. PC makers should go back to the touchpads with two physical buttons since none of them can make a touchpad that functions properly with 0 or 1 button. Anyway, it is interesting that Apple is intentionally cannibilizing their airs with the ipads and iphones when their true strength now lies on the laptop arena. They're the ones who moved everyone from laptops over to tablets. They must know something that I don't about their future plans, b/c to pretty much everyone, they've fallen behind Android already. I don't see this working out well for Apple. The mad scientist try anything Google approach will work out better for them in the long-run b/c they're taking the most risks. Google is not like Samsung where they are not mad scientists, they are children who throw everything against the wall and hope that something sticks. No one even cares about Galaxy gear b/c it's utter crap. this is different than Google's approach b/c the features they do release may be buggy, but they're genuine leaps forward and creative. Apple used to be that way, but they are completely positioning themselves as polishers and finishers and refiners and tweekers. I haven't come to grips with this truth yet, which is why I frame things from the assumption that Apple truly innovates. They don't and that's the sad truth. It's completely clear that they've gone corporate. I would dare to say that they're all marketing now. People, the are making an iphone in a plastic case with more colors. Every single phone maker does that. The HTC one series, the moto x, etc. No other phone maker would garner this much attention.
iphone 5 is high-end of the high end.
iphone 5c will be the highend of the middle class
the iphone 3gs is the high end of the low class.
ipad mini = highest priced of any tablet of that size.
it's just the way they roll and will always be.
They behave exactly like BMW and Mercedes. They now have X1s, X3 series cars, but in each of their categories, they are at the high end.
Hoping for an Apple price break would require them to change their entire bylaws and dna. It won't happen.
Interestingly, Apple's laptops (macbook airs) are where their value lies. They are far underpriced for what you get. I believe that Apple is incredibly far ahead of the pack with laptops, but not not in front with their smartphones anymore. Why? Android is capable of doing more, the app selection is improving, their is consumer choice, etc. ios7 is nice visually but after a month with it you realize that a new coat of paint psychologically does wonders but is no substitute for more features. Android and ios are now a wash. So to price their phones into the stratosphere is not that justified. The HTC one is engineered BETTER than the iPhone 5.
With the macbook airs, however, there is no competition. None. Battery life per pound, general screen quality, speaker quality, keyboard quality, and teh big one: touchpad ergonomics. Boot up time, os X vs windows or linux, etc. The list goes on. In every single category, every single category for evaluating a laptop, apple is way ahead. PC makers should go back to the touchpads with two physical buttons since none of them can make a touchpad that functions properly with 0 or 1 button. Anyway, it is interesting that Apple is intentionally cannibilizing their airs with the ipads and iphones when their true strength now lies on the laptop arena. They're the ones who moved everyone from laptops over to tablets. They must know something that I don't about their future plans, b/c to pretty much everyone, they've fallen behind Android already. I don't see this working out well for Apple. The mad scientist try anything Google approach will work out better for them in the long-run b/c they're taking the most risks. Google is not like Samsung where they are not mad scientists, they are children who throw everything against the wall and hope that something sticks. No one even cares about Galaxy gear b/c it's utter crap. this is different than Google's approach b/c the features they do release may be buggy, but they're genuine leaps forward and creative. Apple used to be that way, but they are completely positioning themselves as polishers and finishers and refiners and tweekers. I haven't come to grips with this truth yet, which is why I frame things from the assumption that Apple truly innovates. They don't and that's the sad truth. It's completely clear that they've gone corporate. I would dare to say that they're all marketing now. People, the are making an iphone in a plastic case with more colors. Every single phone maker does that. The HTC one series, the moto x, etc. No other phone maker would garner this much attention.
Mostly young females is my guess.
Yes. The 5S is typical "upgrade" stock whereas the 5C is a new market (particularly outside the U.S.)
I would seriously consider buying some Apple Stock myself right now but my wife would castrate me after just buying the boat and RV.