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The production will continue to ramp. The 10k/day figure from Kuo was just a snapshot.

I would not be surprised if the X were not available through carriers. Apple needed help from carriers when it wasn't selling. The X will be sold out for a long time.

Let's hope so. Because judging by various polls, more than 80% of people want the iPhone X. If it's truly in short supply, that's a big problem for Apple - and a major frustration for customers.
 
Last year was the fiasco of IUP people could not reserve what they wanted within seconds of 12:00 AM PT because of computer allocation screwups. Many of us had to contact the Executive team and we did get hardware reallocated. This was solely because stores had individual allotments.

This year if there is no such bottleneck because IUP members can upgrade from home (and mail in the old phone), what stock they do have of all three phones should be much more equally allocated.

As I said elsewhere, should be an interesting Friday. And I also agree there is no way IUP is not included in the X (or vice versa). This is definitely part of the latest and greatest hardware!
 
It's very misleading to say iUP customers = most loyal customers, been hearing a lot in this forum, it's insane. So the rest of us who shell out hundreds of dollars upfront every year to upgrade are less loyal? The rest of us who upgrade every year and will be shelling out $200-300 extra this year to upgrade to X instead are less loyal? Are we not Apple Fanatics?

Just because you're in iUP doesn't make you Apple's most loyal customer. Millions of people upgrade every single year, by paying upfront. The only difference is we're not in the program because we can afford to pay upfront instead of in instalments (or maybe some of us upgrade via our carrier every year).

The iUP is not some sort of loyalty program, it's an instalment based yearly upgrade program, it's meant for your convenience so you can easily pay in instalments and upgrade every year, if you cannot afford to pay upfront every year or if you don't want to upgrade every year via your carrier. Saves you a little bit of headache but doesn't magically make you the most loyal Apple customer.

Yes, lots of people will be eligible to upgrade.... to an iPhone 8 and 8+, and in fact that's what most people will be going for, because of the high price of X and other reasons. Others who want to upgrade to X will be waiting to upgrade just like the rest of us who pay full amount upfront every year or have been saving up this year to buy the X.

And if productions numbers are extremely low, we might even see Apple change things a bit. Maybe they will launch an entirely new reservation system for the X specifically based on a first come first serve basis and maybe only if you pay upfront. Apple registered a new subdomain this year, called https://reserve-prime.apple.com/, maybe that's specifically meant to reserve iPhone X.
Wow, you really are impressed with yourself. Your condescending tone is astonishing. Participating in the IUP is an easy way to get an interest-free loan, as well as a convenient way to realize the remaining value of your traded-in phone by satisfying the loan. Do you honestly think Apple receives less money for their phone from customers who participate in IUP? Apple doesn't finance the loan, a bank does. Does a car dealership get less of a car when someone finances it than when someone pays cash for it?
 
Participating in the IUP is an easy way to get an interest-free loan, as well as a convenient way to realize the remaining value of your traded-in phone by satisfying the loan.

That’s what I said....

Do you honestly think Apple receives less money for their phone from customers who participate in IUP? Apple doesn't finance the loan, a bank does. Does a car dealership get less of a car when someone finances it than when someone pays cash for it?

Never said anything about Apple recieving less money.

What I said is, being in iUP doesn’t make you any more loyal than a person who also upgrades every year by paying upfront. The only literal difference is that the person who pays upfront, well, pays the whole amount upfront, and the person in iUP pays a part of the amount in instalments and rest by trading in the iPhone.
 
That’s what I said....



Never said anything about Apple recieving less money.

What I said is, being in iUP doesn’t make you any more loyal than a person who also upgrades every year by paying upfront. The only literal difference is that the person who pays upfront, well, pays the whole amount upfront, and the person in iUP pays the same amount in instalments and rest by trading in the iPhone and paying off the loan.
The point of the IUP is to have people pretty much guaranteed to upgrade every year. That is what Tim wanted when he laid the program out (an easy way for us to have the newest best tech each year) and for people to not skip a year as many did.

Increasing Apple's units sold each year? Sounds like a pretty good sort of client to me!
 
I have to laugh when I read that the iPhone X is a "one-off" anniversary phone. The Code Red iPhone is a one-off iPhone. The iPhone X is the flagship.

Yeah it’s an one off iPhone, to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the iPhone. Do you think they will release a new iPhone next year called iPhone XI to celebrate the 11th anniversary of the iPhone? Then iPhone XII to celebrate the 12th anniversary and so on?...No. Next year they will go back to releasing two models, the difference will be that those models will incorporate tech and perhaps design elements from the X.

Apple isn’t going to release another iPhone X next year.

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The point of the IUP is to have people pretty much guaranteed to upgrade every year. That is what Tim wanted when he laid the program out (an easy way for us to have the newest best tech each year) and for people to not skip a year as many did.

Increasing Apple's units sold each year? Sounds like a pretty good sort of client to me!

Literally never disputed that. That’s exactly what I said, it’s a program to make it more convenient and easy to upgrade every year, it’s not a loyalty or exclusive program where you’re entitled to special privileges over normal people who also upgrade every year by paying full amount upfront or upgrade every year via their carrier the same way people on iUP upgrade via Apple.
 
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If the production numbers of X stays low (today's report says 10k/day), I highly doubt you will be able to get an iPhone X from a carrier, or even on the iPhone Upgrade Program.

If it says that low then there is no point to Apple selling the phone. It would literally end up in the red because there would be no way to recoup the investment made to get the phone to manufacturing and then to produce. It's why the 10K number is so looney and unbelievable. No way is Apple introducing a phone that no one can actually buy.

So don't sweat it it. Supply will be tight like it always is but will loosen up by Nov like it always does.
 
Plan on buying mine outright as well, and direct from the Apple Store app.
[doublepost=1505177237][/doublepost]If there truly are 3 new models this year, all new hardware etc. thats a bunch of iPhones to choose from. I don't think any model will be too tough to get day 1.

My 6 plus is a launch day iPhone, same with my iPhone 5 and 4.
 
Or could be worse you may be able to X model buying in person only. No online preorder first comes first serve. That would be bad and scalpers will line up to no ends.
 
It's not a one off. This design is basically what Apple will be going with. It's basically the flagship most high-end model. Next year, the entire line up will more than likely feature the bezel-less design. You'll probably see two sizes: 5.8in and a 6.3in. And I highly doubt Apple will piss off its customers by only allowing the sale of that phone by going to the Apple store (when quite a few folks don't live close to an apple store) and buying the device full retail. That would piss off the people in the iPhone upgrade plan and piss off the people who want to finance the phone via their respective carriers. Tomorrow all questions will be answered
 
This is gonna be messy.

Now I have to compete with expert iPhone buyers all over the world.

Why is it 3am? I keep reading that time.
 
Plan on buying mine outright as well, and direct from the Apple Store app.
[doublepost=1505177237][/doublepost]If there truly are 3 new models this year, all new hardware etc. thats a bunch of iPhones to choose from. I don't think any model will be too tough to get day 1.

My 6 plus is a launch day iPhone, same with my iPhone 5 and 4.
I was able to get the gold 5S within a few days of the launch (apple didn't do preorders for the 5S). I was also able to get the Jet Black 128gb 7+ in less than two weeks
 
If the production numbers of X stays low (today's report says 10k/day), I highly doubt you will be able to get an iPhone X from a carrier, or even on the iPhone Upgrade Program.

Apple will try to control demand because supply will be so low. Price is one way to do it (we all know it's rumoured to start at $999), the other is to make everyone pay for the device upfront, which a lot of people won't be able to, and hence the demand will lower to match supply.

Since it's a special, anniversary, one-off model, I think you will only be able to buy it from Apple only, at least for sometime, and only if you pay the amount upfront.
This is what piss me off. I don't know what's going on with behind the scene situation, but if they are intentionally..and I say intentional doing this, Apple is nothing but Nintendo company doing shortage thing with NES classic and SNES mini.
 
This is gonna be messy.

Now I have to compete with expert iPhone buyers all over the world.

Why is it 3am? I keep reading that time.

The Pre-order time will start based when Apples does and then it correlates with your time zone. So it all depends on where you live.
 
Yeah it’s an one off iPhone, to celebrate the tenth anniversary of the iPhone. Do you think they will release a new iPhone next year called iPhone XI to celebrate the 11th anniversary of the iPhone? Then iPhone XII to celebrate the 12th anniversary and so on?...No. Next year they will go back to releasing two models, the difference will be that those models will incorporate tech and perhaps design elements from the X.

Apple isn’t going to release another iPhone X next year.

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Literally never disputed that. That’s exactly what I said, it’s a program to make it more convenient and easy to upgrade every year, it’s not a loyalty or exclusive program where you’re entitled to special privileges over normal people who also upgrade every year by paying full amount upfront or upgrade every year via their carrier the same way people on iUP upgrade via Apple.
You did dispute it - with your unbelievably ridiculous suggestion that iPhone Upgrade Plan customers should be excluded from initial preorders, basically to increase the number of units available to those who want the unit only.

Nobody's saying it is a loyalty programme. But you're completely failing to grasp the simple logic.

iUP = a captive base of users from whom there's an annual guaranteed spend along with a bundled sale of AppleCare+ and the guaranteed return of their handset at point of upgrade.

Its not about reward and privilege, it's about making sure business like that is retained. What i'm saying to you is basically -

"Make the iPhone X available to cash buyers only? Behave yourself! If anything, they'd limit it to iUP customers." Not saying that will or should happen, just that it makes infinitely more sense than your proposed supply control scheme.
 
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