I think you're making a mistake contacting anyone freely. If no one has come to you for it, you've done nothing wrong.
You will lose your money and the laptop if you contact them directly.
I get it doesn't feel right but in reality, you did nothing wrong. It's part of the game in my opinion, you didn't steal anything. You were possibly sold a stolen item but you have no idea if this person worked or didn't work for them so at this point you are assuming a brand new laptop was somehow stolen.
Right now it's all assumptions just from the pop up.
You're jumping to conclusions without further proof, the seller could have been an employee and was given a new work computer but instead he had a prior one that he preferred to use and sold the new one? Have you ever thought of that?
I mean I just bought a laptop from a student who used his financial aid to buy a new laptop but sold me the new one because his old one isn't old and works great just needed receipt as proof that he bought a new laptop ♂️
We can assume all we want but you have no proof it was stolen. All you're doing is just looking to lose your money and laptop IMO
Got to know now apple product is simple track stolen item as 123. Only matter is that owner reporting it or not. What happened if you lost your MacBook? Will you report?You have a good heart! Just use the laptop and be happy. No negative karma will be coming your way.
Could you be any more hypocritical?
You assure him that the device is likely not stolen and he should just pretend it never happened and use it; you then assure him that he will lose his money if he contacts the [potential] owner or former owner.
LOL @ “karma.”You have a good heart! Just use the laptop and be happy. No negative karma will be coming your way.
Got to know now apple product is simple track stolen item as 123. Only matter is that owner reporting it or not. What happened if you lost your MacBook? Will you report?
My point is that he doesn't know it's stolen it possibly might be but without any proof you don't know...
He has proof he bought it legitimately if someone wants to claim he "knew" it was stolen
Like I said, all were doing is speculating, if it's stolen then someone will contactOP
If you are convicted of a felony receiving stolen property charge, you face 16 months, 2 or 3 years in county jail and a maximum $10,000 fine.
but what about a criminal record.That would be state prison, not jail. Misdemeanors/sentences a year or under are generally served in a county/city jail. Felonies/sentences over a year are generally served in a state prison.
What nobody has mentioned is the sale, although not completed on ebay, was set up via ebay. Any time a phone or the internet is involved, there is the potential for federal charges.
All that said, in a situation such as this where the buyer is clearly trying to appear aboveboard and as long as he has a clear record, the DA would almost never bring charges for possession of stolen property because he would be extremely unlikely to get a jury conviction given the circumstances as they have been laid out.
Wtf? Why would my cousin lose his job? He doesn't work for Apple anymore and he is not employed by Bleacher Report. He works for an IT company. It's not he's a leethaxor and defeated the DEP, he literally installed macOS without using the internet and then deleted some files in the operating system folders...By defeating the DEP without authorization from the entity trying to secure it and then continuing to use the device the OP is likely to face charges as serious as the person that sold them the device. The OP's cousin should be reported to Apple as well, and should be out of a job for bypassing DEP without authorization.
but what about a criminal record.
The laptop was completely unused, that's part of the reason I didn't do the initial setup right there because I was the first one turning on the laptop. The box was retail and the accessories were all new and in factory condition. If I didn't run the setup I would have never known this laptop was a corporate device because nothing else points to it.What criminal record? I merely corrected your misstatement (ie. jail) and explained the difference to you.
Hypothetically, there are charges that could come into play (which is what I also discussed), but they never will. Not in a situation like this. There is no way they could ever get a conviction. The OP has not knowingly done anything illegal. Besides, it is pure hyperbole that it is a stolen item.
If, the item was stolen and if the original owner filed for loss with his insurance company, and if they paid out, and if the OP returned it to the original owner, in many cases the original owner has to surrender the recovered stolen item to the insurance company as required by the policy. A lot of "ifs" and fun for the MacRumors debate club.
OP: You got a good deal on a laptop. Enjoy it. You have zero evidence that your laptop is stolen. Companies (and individuals) rarely properly wipe their systems properly before they get rid of them. You should have seen the amount of sensitive/proprietary data that was on the Compaq laptops I used to have to "refurbish" when they came off of lease.
The laptop was completely unused, that's part of the reason I didn't do the initial setup right there because I was the first one turning on the laptop. The box was retail and the accessories were all new and in factory condition. If I didn't run the setup I would have never known this laptop was a corporate device because nothing else points to it.
So he can go to jail for buying an item that was believe to be legit that he bought off eBay, talked about it on eBay with the seller. That's proof alone to prove he didn't knowingly buy anything.
At this point he could be clueless about the pop up and have no knowledge of computers...
Some of you are wussies thinking everyone knows everything and to turn in anything and everything when not asked.
I won't disclose my job but I'll be honest, OP should stand pat and use the computer if he can as is. If he can't I would FIRST suggest to find the seller and get a refund, if not then contact bleacherreport.
Police will not do anything or care unless it was reported by the company it was stolen
If anything some of you on your high horses should be suggesting he find the seller and he has the resources to do so...
My point is that he doesn't know it's stolen it possibly might be but without any proof you don't know...
He has proof he bought it legitimately if someone wants to claim he "knew" it was stolen
Like I said, all were doing is speculating, if it's stolen then someone will contactOP
I'm confused. Bleacher report is a sports site, and googling it, I found nothing that seems to indicate its some sort of software for managing, tracking or securing laptops.Other than that popup I don't get any signs that Bleacher Report is monitoring me
This was explained earlier in the thread. Apple has a program called the Device Enrollment Program or DEP. (https://www.apple.com/business/dep/) Organizations can buy Macs from Apple already enrolled in the program so that when an employee gets the computer, all that's necessary for them to do is to sign in and connect to the internet, and the computer will automatically be configured the way the company wants.I'm confused. Bleacher report is a sports site, and googling it, I found nothing that seems to indicate its some sort of software for managing, tracking or securing laptops.
If that were the case, Bleacher Report would have removed the computer from their device management system before selling it. The odds of the computer being both an overbuy and not removed from DEP are effectively zero.it is not uncommon for companies as big as this to over-buy to have replacement machines to issue if one goes down. Those excess are sometimes sold off without ever being used.
his was explained earlier in the thread. Apple has a program called the Device Enrollment Program or DEP. (https://www.apple.com/business/dep/) Organizations can buy Macs from Apple already enrolled in the program so that when an employee gets the computer, all that's necessary for them to do is to sign in and connect to the internet, and the computer will automatically be configured the way the company wants.
There's no way to permanently remove the computer from DEP except for Bleacher Report doing it, so if a new computer comes up with a prompt that it's managed by them on first boot, there's no possibility it isn't stolen.
Bleacher Report is not in the business of managing other companies' computers. This computer, without any doubt, is theirs.
@BBD90 , perhaps your seller was also duped and thought the laptop was legit?...I don't buy from eBay but if the seller has feedback of 1600 (I assume mostly positive), then why would he risk getting a negative....
Given that the seller is not taking his calls, it does raise a red flag.@BBD90 , perhaps your seller was also duped and thought the laptop was legit?
Ah yes. I had definitely overlooked the seller dodging him after the fact. Indeed curious.Given that the seller is not taking his calls, it does raise a red flag.
Apple or a reseller actually does the enrolling at the time the order for the computer. End user organizations, with some limitations, can enroll computers they already own into DEP as well.Doing more googling, I think I get it. DEP is the program, and the computer was enrolled in that by an organization and that organization happens to be the Bleacher Report., i.e., The organization can customize the popup dialog.
Yes, an employee could have walked a new machine out of the door, but it is not uncommon for companies as big as this to over-buy to have replacement machines to issue if one goes down. Those excess are sometimes sold off without ever being used.