I wish Apple would replace the physical Home button...

Kal-037

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So just trying to see what everyone thinks of this possibility...

Personally since 2013-2014 I've noticed Apple's QC has become kind of shoddy in some areas regarding their iDevices. And especially problems with Apple's home button (failing, becoming loose, or having an odd cracking noise when barely touching or pushing it.) I think if Apple designed something like the image above that would be super cool and also perhaps cut down on replacements and repairs. I've had to replace about 4-6 iDevices in the past year because the home button went had the problems I mentioned. And I think I'm getting paranoid now as I don't even touch my iPP's home button as I don't want it to break. lol
What about all you Macrumorians? Do you have issues with the home buttons and do you think having no physical home button would be practical?


Kallum.
 

mcdj

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To place a divot in the glass where a button used to be may seem cool in concept, but in real world use I think it would become a nuisance. Text and images would be distorted. Swiping disrupted. Full use of the screen would be hindered for games. Etc.

A virtual button could work, but lighting it up would be a UI/battery challenge.
 

Kal-037

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Yeah, I definitely agree on that front and see what you mean. I think I'm more interested in just ditching physical home button. Like still have the area of the glass that show images now, but get rid of the home button. Or they could just make it flush and have the entire screen have the capacity to be a finger print scanner. ;)


Kal.
 

Night Spring

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I also like having a physical home button. Between me and my extended family, there's probably been about 20 iDevices by now, and I also have some friends who use them. Never heard anyone have any probers with the home button.
 

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What about all you Macrumorians? Do you have issues with the home buttons and do you think having no physical home button would be practical?


Kallum.
to be honest i've never ever had any issues over the years with defective or failing components in my Apple tech. nothing (touches wood). no creaking, lack of sensitivity, scratches, dead pixels etc etc, all the 'usual' complaints.

which means for the home button issue i have no concerns. i kinda like it the way it is :)
(although thats not saying i'm not up for change. that image you posted looks sweet)
 

zhenya

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There is huge benefit to having a physical button you can locate by touch alone. With your phone it means you can pull it out of your pocket and have the thing unlocked before you even have your eyes on the screen. I understand that we want smaller bezels on these devices; I do to. But the replacement better be really, really good.
 

hovscorpion12

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With 3D touch on the 6S and 6S Plus the home button is useless. The only function is Apple pay. 3D touch enables multitasking, going back to home screen..etc. The physical home button that's hardware should be replaced by capacitive touch. If you look at android phones (yes they do have a home button) but the back and multitasking are all touch.
 

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With 3D touch on the 6S and 6S Plus the home button is useless. The only function is Apple pay. 3D touch enables multitasking, going back to home screen..etc. The physical home button that's hardware should be replaced by capacitive touch. If you look at android phones (yes they do have a home button) but the back and multitasking are all touch.
No thanks. Don't want to have to look at my phone just to press the home button. Removing it does not solve anything.
 

Ferc Kast

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No home button would allow a new design and more importantly less breaking.
They've been able to have new designs so far without removing it. :) I think they won't have a problem to continue making new designs if they choose to keep the home button still. Also, I've not had any home button break on any of the iDevices I've owned.
 
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Booloo

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I like how HTC implemented the non-mechanical home button in their A9. When I started using it I immediately thought how this would work well for the iPhone. One less mechanical thing to wear out or stop working over time.
 
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friedmud

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So just trying to see what everyone thinks of this possibility...

Personally since 2013-2014 I've noticed Apple's QC has become kind of shoddy in some areas regarding their iDevices. And especially problems with Apple's home button (failing, becoming loose, or having an odd cracking noise when barely touching or pushing it.) I think if Apple designed something like the image above that would be super cool and also perhaps cut down on replacements and repairs. I've had to replace about 4-6 iDevices in the past year because the home button went had the problems I mentioned. And I think I'm getting paranoid now as I don't even touch my iPP's home button as I don't want it to break. lol
What about all you Macrumorians? Do you have issues with the home buttons and do you think having no physical home button would be practical?


Kallum.
I have to admit - I have the "odd cracking noise when barely touching or pushing it" issue with my 12.9" iPP. I dare not trade it in though because the rest of the device is perfect. I have Apple Care on it... so if it actually becomes a problem sometime in the future I'll replace it then.

A little over a month ago there was a story about Apple using Liquid Metal for home buttons: https://www.macrumors.com/2016/03/08/apple-patent-liquidmetal-home-button-ios-devices/

So it's obvious that they're aware of the issue and are working on it...
 

joeblow7777

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I've owned 4 iDevices, not many compared to other here, but so far I haven't had any problems with a home button. Although, I did like the onscreen navigation controls of my Nexus 7, but their constant presence does take up screen real estate. Although I guess that could be offset by the fact that removing the home button would allow for a smaller bezel and therefore more screen space.

Really I have no strong feelings about the home button either way.
 
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The physical, old tech, analog push to activate home button is an Apple "feature" that also defines iPhone style. At a glance it's the fat top and bottom bezels and large round button that Apple loves.

It's an amazing testimony to Apple's power over their users. An old, incredibly slow button that rarely is criticized, it reveals how millions will tolerate old tech on a modern phone.

Others that have had the eye opening experience of using a lightning fast, convenient, modern touch sensitive button know just how much time is wasted with Apple's archaic choice.

Proof positive, it's not about speed and efficiency for Apple users, it's about vanity and using the "cool kids phone" :D
 

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... it's not about speed and efficiency for Apple users, it's about vanity and using the "cool kids phone" :D
That's pretty funny stuff, coming from you, since you posted this on an iPhone thread -

"Being a hard core smartphone enthusiast that's fortunate not to be limited by budget, I have all current model iPhones."
 
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friedmud

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The physical, old tech, analog push to activate home button is an Apple "feature" that also defines iPhone style. At a glance it's the fat top and bottom bezels and large round button that Apple loves.

It's an amazing testimony to Apple's power over their users. An old, incredibly slow button that rarely is criticized, it reveals how millions will tolerate old tech on a modern phone.

Others that have had the eye opening experience of using a lightning fast, convenient, modern touch sensitive button know just how much time is wasted with Apple's archaic choice.

Proof positive, it's not about speed and efficiency for Apple users, it's about vanity and using the "cool kids phone" :D
Personally, I think a physical button is often the most efficient. Do you have some scientific study that shows that on-screen buttons are somehow "faster" (whatever that means) or more efficient than a physical button?

To me, the idea that a button you cannot feel, has no haptic feedback and has to be activated by a processor sensing your finger on a capacitive touch screen is somehow "better" or more "efficient" in anyway is just off.

The physical button gives you something to feel in the dark. And it gives you perfect haptic feedback.

Now: I'm not arguing that it should stay. I could certainly see apple doing away with it in the future to make room for more screen. But it will be a _trade off_... just as losing physical keys on cell-phones was a trade-off when we went to virtual keyboards.
 
Personally, I think a physical button is often the most efficient. Do you have some scientific study that shows that on-screen buttons are somehow "faster" (whatever that means) or more efficient than a physical button?

To me, the idea that a button you cannot feel, has no haptic feedback and has to be activated by a processor sensing your finger on a capacitive touch screen is somehow "better" or more "efficient" in anyway is just off.

The physical button gives you something to feel in the dark. And it gives you perfect haptic feedback.

Now: I'm not arguing that it should stay. I could certainly see apple doing away with it in the future to make room for more screen. But it will be a _trade off_... just as losing physical keys on cell-phones was a trade-off when we went to virtual keyboards.
Umm programmatically it can have a haptic feel when you touch it, it would be the same haptic feel as when you use 3d touch. Yes it might be problematic in the dark unless the glass actually curves. Think about all those poor android users who don't have a physical button for their home button.
 

friedmud

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Umm programmatically it can have a haptic feel when you touch it, it would be the same haptic feel as when you use 3d touch. Yes it might be problematic in the dark unless the glass actually curves. Think about all those poor android users who don't have a physical button for their home button.
Sure. I'm not saying it can't be done... and done well. And I assume that Apple will do it well in the future when they (most probably) will at some point remove the home button.

I'm just pushing back against the idea that a "virtual home button" is inherently "better" than a physical one. They both have tradeoffs.
 
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