I wouldn't dare buy an iPhone 7

[Channan]

Hmm, best re-evaluate what you know!

Samsung displays might look better. But the colours are just so artificially inflated to make it all look vibrant. It's like something off a cartoon. Quite apt, seeing as they're running operating systems like "Chocolate Biscuit" and "Gumdrop Forest". Side to side, you'd be forgiven for thinking the Samsung ones stand out more, because they do. However, this isn't necessarily a good thing.

Apple concentrate on stuff I'd say is more important. Colour balance. Accurate representation of colours. It's the same with their Macs. The balance on their displays are absolutely gorgeous. Yet somebody will point to an HP laptop with a 4K display and say "oh, that's a better display". Based on brightness, or just specs on paper with the amount of pixels.

You get a lot of people judging from numbers alone. Mainly why a lot of Samsung fans perspire about the hardware specs, without knowing or appreciating what effect they have in real-world scenarios. More RAM. More cores. More megahertz. More PPI. More megapixels. The reality is completely different.

There are different modes you can select on Samsung phones if you don't like your colors as vibrant. Samsung also doesn't over saturate colors like they used to. Samsung's displays have been the highest rated displays for the last couple of years.

The problem I see with people talking crap about Android, Samsung, etc. is that they base their arguments on very old facts. I still see people talk about how laggy Android is or how much it crashes when apps on iOS were proven to crash more than on Android a couple of years ago. There's no point in arguing with those people because they had or used an Android phone a long time ago and their opinions are stuck in 2010.

 

[burgman]

Because we're discussing why we're not buying the iPhone 7.

we?

 

[I7guy]

When I say futureproof it doesn't mean what you think it means. I'm talking about futureproof in relation to Apple's lineup. The iPhone 5s was futureproof. The iPhone 6s is futureproof. Which means that the processors they put in it won't really be put to good use until later.


I'm not buying it. I cant. I can't spend another bundle on a screen that isn't worth it. The screen is the most important thing on the phone and that's the thing that hasn't been improved upon. And if it's not OLED in 2017, I may not be buying that one.

When I hear people talking about buying the iPhone 7, even if they came from the iPhone 5s, I have to ask why they're buying the iPhone 7. They could've still bought the iPhone 6s.

I'm getting a jet black 7+ 128 coming from a 6s. It's a huge upgrade that beats the competition, IMO.

 

[JulesJam]

Samsung screens, and that's Burn in.

That's an AMOLED issue not a Samsung issue. It is the nature of the organic diodes. Guess you won't be getting an iP8 then. The iP8 will use AMOLED displays.

 

[Steve686]

I've bought every launch phone since 2007 from Apple and had used an S7 Edge since March of this year before getting my 7Plus 2 weeks ago.

The AMOLED on the S7 is for sure a better screen when viewing movies and watching videos on apps such as MLB.tv and NBA apps. There is a discernible contrast difference especially between colors and black backgrounds. I guess what my eye sees, which is far from a scientific study, is more range of color in the AMOLED.

Love my 7Plus and the screen is beautiful, but as with the camera being upgraded to actually compete with the S7 this year, I expect Apple to gain ground next year with an AMOLED or better screen.

 

[andyp350]

I dared (I'm so brave). Happy with my decision so far

 

[kasakka]

It's simple, you just need adequate amount of pixels for the screen size you have. The resolution Apple uses for the iPhone 7 is ok for its screen size. If they upped it to 5" I would want a 1080p screen. The iPhone 7 Plus is fine at 1080p too, still difficult to see individual pixels.

VR throws these things out and basically we have nothing that is high enough resolution yet but even 1440p helps tremendously to reduce the screen door effect.

Where having higher resolution helps is reading websites and texts not optimized for mobile. They usually show up quite tiny to fit in the screen and this is where the iPhone 7 won't do as well because it doesn't have enough resolution to show sharp text without zooming. Of course just zooming fixes this but it's pretty great how tiny text you can read without zooming on a 1080p display.

 

[Zimmy68]

But now, I feel asleep after reading incoherent posts.

 

[QquegChristian]

There are a lot of trade offs to a higher resolution screen. Obviously, you've got battery life as the phone has to push so many pixels. Then graphics performance, as we don't yet even have consoles for sale that can output 4K, yet expect a phone to do that?

I'd like to see the 4.7-inch tap out at 1080p for a few years. It will be the sweet spot for performance/content/the limits of our eyes.

A native resolution of 4K is silly. Nearly the same pixels as the main camera on the iphone7. You won't even be able to pinch to zoom on a photo without quality loss.

I work in photography, publishing, and film... The iPhone 7 screen is incredible from an accuracy standpoint and I'm really glad about that. It means that anybody with an iPhone is seeing my content how I intend it to be seen. I'll send people samples and hope they're viewing it on an iPhone rather than a laptop, etc.

Right now I'm working on a cookbook going to mass market print. It wil be printed at 300dpi and the print file will be around 25GB for 224 pages. Just imagine if your phone could only hold 4 Ebooks. There are quality advancements that can happen, even at 300ppi. Compression being the biggest one. Apple just closed one of those gaps with better color depth on the iPhone 7.

 

[aka777]

There are different modes you can select on Samsung phones if you don't like your colors as vibrant. Samsung also doesn't over saturate colors like they used to. Samsung's displays have been the highest rated displays for the last couple of years.

The problem I see with people talking crap about Android, Samsung, etc. is that they base their arguments on very old facts. I still see people talk about how laggy Android is or how much it crashes when apps on iOS were proven to crash more than on Android a couple of years ago. There's no point in arguing with those people because they had or used an Android phone a long time ago and their opinions are stuck in 2010.

As someone who actually owns the note series too, it's clearly android users who miss the point. Even though every iPhone typically beats the competition at their 'own game', every single year using speed tests and so forth, that's not their aim.

I don't buy an iPhone because of the specs, I purchase it because of the end-to-end user experience. For some bizarre reason, android fans fail to grasp this simple concept. Then again, customer service was never a metric for pre-00 tech. Customer service is not an important metric in any third world country unless you're wealthy. Android developers and a lot of the customers fall into these two categories.

The Note 7 was literally catching on fire yet Samsung/android fans on sites like phoneareana were going crazy about it somehow having something to do with apple. That's just insanity. I just don't know what it is since the launch of the iPhone and eventually Android, that Android fans have such a hatred of apple. Any chance one gets, they will cry about Apple.

BTW At least I can purchase an iphon and know that all of the features work on any other carrier in the world. Whereas, my T-Mobile note is pretty much firmware locked to T-Mobile and I cannot use things like wifi calling or VolTE on AT&T. Or how about the fact that I have to wait nearly a year for software upgrades, which typically slow down the phone. Android fans need to address these huge limitations and issues first, then come talk about screens.

 

[Channan]

As someone who actually owns the note series too, it's clearly android users who miss the point. Even though every iPhone typically beats the competition at their 'own game', every single year using speed tests and so forth, that's not their aim.

I don't buy an iPhone because of the specs, I purchase it because of the end-to-end user experience. For some bizarre reason, android fans fail to grasp this simple concept. Then again, customer service was never a metric for pre-00 tech. Customer service is not an important metric in any third world country unless you're wealthy. Android developers and a lot of the customers fall into these two categories.

The Note 7 was literally catching on fire yet Samsung/android fans on sites like phoneareana were going crazy about it somehow having something to do with apple. That's just insanity. I just don't know what it is since the launch of the iPhone and eventually Android, that Android fans have such a hatred of apple. Any chance one gets, they will cry about Apple.

BTW At least I can purchase an iphon and know that all of the features work on any other carrier in the world. Whereas, my T-Mobile note is pretty much firmware locked to T-Mobile and I cannot use things like wifi calling or VolTE on AT&T. Or how about the fact that I have to wait nearly a year for software upgrades, which typically slow down the phone. Android fans need to address these huge limitations and issues first, then come talk about screens.

You own an Android phone so everything you say must be fact.

Honestly not sure how anything you said related in any way to my comment. I didn't say anything about specs or even comment on which OS I think is better. I just said a lot of people like to use old arguments against Android that aren't true anymore.

But congrats. You own an Android phone.

 

[aka777]

You own an Android phone so everything you say must be fact.

Honestly not sure how anything you said related in any way to my comment. I didn't say anything about specs or even comment on which OS I think is better. I just said a lot of people like to use old arguments against Android that aren't true anymore.

But congrats. You own an Android phone.

They're not "old arguments" at all. I listed two significant current issues with Android handsets that you dodged.

I own / owned the flagship Note range android phones, so that's certainly some good experience. These are the crème de la crème of Androids.

Not to mention, I've also been working on smartphones since the palm days and then on windows phones until the iphone and android, so I definitely know what the f--- I am talking about.

 

[ronincse]

I just switched from an S7 Edge to an iPhone 7+...I know the iPhone has a lower density display but I can't tell at all. I also don't really notice the screen being less vibrant. I notice the blacks not being as black since it's an LCD but that isn't a big deal to me.

I guess the Samsung has a better screen but really I barely notice it. If one wants either phone I'd say there are more important factors to consider than the screen in this case.

 

[mildocjr]

I know. It hurts. Keep singing that Samsong.

I think there's a pop song about them, "I'm so sick of that samsong, those phones just blow me up"

As to the OP:

You should probably go out and read some reviews, Samsung uses OLED displays, some may say this is better than the Retina display (LED-backlit IPS LCD) because they use more pixels. However, there is a line of common sense which starts at the maximum resolution that the human eye can see. While you can see the pixels on a retina display, they are hard to discern at normal viewing range. Having less pixels means less processing is required to render the display. Less processing means more efficient both in power and performance.

This being said the iPhone requires less processing to render a game on it's display and allows it to achieve ~Xbox 360 graphics on the iPhone 7 with the 6-core GPU. I don't think Android is quite there yet. Android is more focused in on features without optimization, so they are ahead of Apple for that, but Apple seems to optimize the features before including them.

In short, Samsung may have a better display, but some of their phones still face graphical issues such as stuttering. When you put it like that, does it matter if you have the best display when your phone doesn't display correctly?

 

[ronincse]

There are different modes you can select on Samsung phones if you don't like your colors as vibrant. Samsung also doesn't over saturate colors like they used to. Samsung's displays have been the highest rated displays for the last couple of years.

The problem I see with people talking crap about Android, Samsung, etc. is that they base their arguments on very old facts. I still see people talk about how laggy Android is or how much it crashes when apps on iOS were proven to crash more than on Android a couple of years ago. There's no point in arguing with those people because they had or used an Android phone a long time ago and their opinions are stuck in 2010.

I literally just packaged up my S7 Edge yesterday. It was more laggy and had more bugs than my iPhone does. At least once a week I'd have to force close Pocket Casts or restart the phone because the audio stream got stuck for some reason. If I had too many notifications the notification pane would get laggy. Sometimes the screen would be black while it was trying to load the home screen. These issues also happened on my previous phone which was a Moto X. The issues persisted after resetting the phone without restoring app settings.

To be clear these aren't really big issues and they certainly didn't prevent me from using it, they were minor annoyances, but they were enough that they really affected my experience using the phone. The iPhone simply has less of the annoyances that bother me. I don't care about my default apps that much or how little I can customize on my iPhone, in fact that's almost a benefit to me since I don't have to worry about it. Obviously it's the opposite for some people.

Don't be an Android fan boy/girl and pretend that Android's user experience is just as smooth as iOS because it isn't. Just like we shouldn't be Apple fan people and pretend iOS is better than Android in all cases.

 

[Channan]

I literally just packaged up my S7 Edge yesterday. It was more laggy and had more bugs than my iPhone does. At least once a week I'd have to force close Pocket Casts or restart the phone because the audio stream got stuck for some reason. If I had too many notifications the notification pane would get laggy. Sometimes the screen would be black while it was trying to load the home screen. These issues also happened on my previous phone which was a Moto X. The issues persisted after resetting the phone without restoring app settings.

To be clear these aren't really big issues and they certainly didn't prevent me from using it, they were minor annoyances, but they were enough that they really affected my experience using the phone. The iPhone simply has less of the annoyances that bother me. I don't care about my default apps that much or how little I can customize on my iPhone, in fact that's almost a benefit to me since I don't have to worry about it. Obviously it's the opposite for some people.

Don't be an Android fan boy/girl and pretend that Android's user experience is just as smooth as iOS because it isn't. Just like we shouldn't be Apple fan people and pretend iOS is better than Android in all cases.

I'm far from an Android fanboy. I have twice as many Apple products than Android ones. I understand different people have different experiences. For instance, my Moto X is fine in every regard except battery life, while my friend has the exact opposite experience. He's fine with the battery life but his is slow and laggy for him.

So I don't doubt you had a bad experience with your Galaxy S7 Edge. Maybe you had a lemon, or maybe you had a rogue background app/process causing issues with the rest of your phone. My Galaxy S7 Edge is great. The only lag I ever experience is in Chrome, and it's not even that bad when it happens. I've never had issues with apps crashing or needing to force close any apps. I have four coworkers that also have Galaxy S7 Edges and none of them have any problems with theirs either.

They're not "old arguments" at all. I listed two significant current issues with Android handsets that you dodged.

I own / owned the flagship Note range android phones, so that's certainly some good experience. These are the crème de la crème of Androids.

Not to mention, I've also been working on smartphones since the palm days and then on windows phones until the iphone and android, so I definitely know what the f--- I am talking about.

Your problem is you act like Apple fanboys don't exist. I'm not even gonna bother.

 

[Jimmy James]

OP, you're not correlating screen size and resolution. This is a singular aspect.
I've seen Samsung owners taking pictures and I've wondered how they get that "cartoon" effect on screen. Then I realized this was the normal colour reproduction of the phone.

 

[ronincse]

I'm far from an Android fanboy. I have twice as many Apple products than Android ones. I understand different people have different experiences. For instance, my Moto X is fine in every regard except battery life, while my friend has the exact opposite experience. He's fine with the battery life but his is slow and laggy for him.

So I don't doubt you had a bad experience with your Galaxy S7 Edge. Maybe you had a lemon, or maybe you had a rogue background app/process causing issues with the rest of your phone. My Galaxy S7 Edge is great. The only lag I ever experience is in Chrome, and it's not even that bad when it happens. I've never had issues with apps crashing or needing to force close any apps. I have four coworkers that also have Galaxy S7 Edges and none of them have any problems with theirs either.


Your problem is you act like Apple fanboys don't exist. I'm not even gonna bother.

Well to be fair you do have an Android logo on your avatar, on an Apple focused forum. Certainly doesn't make you look less Android fan boyey . My entire post was trying to rebuke you saying that when people complain about Android they use experience from 2010 by showing that I still have the issues people complain about and I until a week ago used one of the highest end Android phones around and have had Android phones for years

Considering I have had those issues across multiple devices I hardly think it was because my S7 Edge was a lemon. Chrome lag is certainly one of those things that annoys me as well. Considering one of the main use cases for smart phones is the internet it is IMO shameful that Chrome on Android is still much laggier than most other mobile browsers.

 

[Channan]

Well to be fair you do have an Android logo on your avatar, on an Apple focused forum. Certainly doesn't make you look less Android fan boyey . My entire post was trying to rebuke you saying that when people complain about Android they use experience from 2010 by showing that I still have the issues people complain about and I until a week ago used one of the highest end Android phones around and have had Android phones for years

Considering I have had those issues across multiple devices I hardly think it was because my S7 Edge was a lemon. Chrome lag is certainly one of those things that annoys me as well. Considering one of the main use cases for smart phones is the internet it is IMO shameful that Chrome on Android is still much laggier than most other mobile browsers.

Chrome isn't the only browser, though.

And I picked this avatar a long time ago because I liked it, but I keep it now because I think it's funny when people call me a fanboy because of it.

 

[ronincse]

Chrome isn't the only browser, though.

And I picked this avatar a long time ago because I liked it, but I keep it now because I think it's funny when people call me a fanboy because of it.

It's Google's browser on Google's OS, it should work better than, or at least as well as, the 3rd party options.

Same thing with Edge on Win. 10

 

[Channan]

It's Google's browser on Google's OS, it should work better than, or at least as well as, the 3rd party options.

Same thing with Edge on Win. 10

Chrome is the third party browser. Android has a separate browser.

 

[ronincse]

Chrome is the third party browser. Android has a separate browser.

What? Chrome has been the default browser for awhile now. The AOSP generic browser hasn't been a default install for a long time now. My S7 certainly didn't have it, my Moto X 2015 at least didn't have it (can't remember if my 2014 or 2013 Moto Xs had it). I can't even find it on the play store. I can almost guarantee these new Pixel phones won't have it. Chrome is definitely the browser Google wants as the default.

 

[Channan]

What? Chrome has been the default browser for awhile now. The AOSP generic browser hasn't been a default install for a long time now. My S7 certainly didn't have it, my Moto X 2015 at least didn't have it (can't remember if my 2014 or 2013 Moto Xs had it). I can't even find it on the play store. I can almost guarantee these new Pixel phones won't have it. Chrome is definitely the browser Google wants as the default.

Just because the OEM chooses to remove it and pre-load Chrome instead doesn't mean it's the stock Android browser. There are plenty of other examples of this with other apps. Chrome is still very much a Google app.

 

[ronincse]

Just because the OEM chooses to remove it and pre-load Chrome instead doesn't mean it's the stock Android browser. There are plenty of other examples of this with other apps. Chrome is still very much a Google app.

We're getting on a major tangent here but I can't let it go.

You literally can't get the original AOSP browser anymore without rooting and side loading. AFAIK there isn't a single modern phone that actually has the thing installed. Google, the company that develops Android, installs Chrome as a default on the Nexus phones and almost certainly on the Pixels. Saying Chrome is just a Google app is like saying Edge isn't the default browser because it's just a Microsoft app (or Safari is just an Apple app).

When a browser isn't installed on any of the newer phones, isn't even available to be installed, and has been dropped by the developer I'd say it has been phased out. Seriously go try to install it on your S7 and let me know how it goes.

Edit: Looks like maybe there are some work arounds to install it without root. Those are all from years ago when the stock browser was phased out though and were for kitkat. At least from what I could find on the first couple pages of google results.

 

[x-evil-x]

When I put my iPhone inside a VR headset you can see the pixels. It takes you back to the 1950s. Retina display my ass.

EVERYDAY USE you cannot see pixels. The iPhone isn't meant for VR thats why APPLE hasn't released their own VR yet because the ppi in the phones now are not meant for it. When apple releases VR you will see a big bump in PPI.
This is like standing 2 feet in front of a 1080p tv and complaining about seeing pixels and whining about it. What do you expect? Its common sense no?
every day use as a phone you will not see pixels even super close to your face on an iPhone screen. The only time you will start seeing big changes between a android high PPI screen compared to an iPhone screen is in VR...