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Arrrrrrggggggh!
Arrrrrrggggggh!
Arrrrrrggggggh!!!!

OK, enough!!!! I've been listening (reading) too much BS and speculation in the course of this thread... I've listened to how the only difference is the 1MB extra of L3 cache and the 130MHz clock speed. This is right. I've heard so much preposterous nonsense that I am gonna break it down for you babies:

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Name			Intel® Core™ i5-540M	Intel® Core™ i7-620M
====================================================================
Code Name		Arrandale		Arrandale
Status			Launched		Launched
Launch Date		Q1'10			Q1'10
Processor #		i5-540M			i7-620M
# of Cores		2			2
# of Threads		4			4
Clock Speed		2.53 GHz		2.66 GHz
Max Turbo 		3.066 GHz		3.333 GHz
Intel® Smart Cache	3 MB 			4 MB
Bus/Core Ratio		19			20
Bus Type		DMI			DMI
System Bus		2.5 GT/s		2.5 GT/s
Instruction Set		64-bit			64-bit
Instruction Set Ext.	SSE4.1, SSE4.2		SSE4.1, SSE4.2
Embedded		No			Yes
Suppl. SKU		No			No
Lithography		32 nm			32 nm
Max TDP			35 W			35 W
Budgetary Price		$257.00			$332.00

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Memory Specifications
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Max Memory Size		8 GB			8 GB
Memory Types		DDR3-800/1066		DDR3-800/1066
# of Memory Channels	2			2
Max Memory Bandwidth	17.1 GB/s		17.1 GB/s
Physical Address Ext	36-bit			36-bit
ECC Memory Supported	No			No

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Graphics Specifications
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Integrated Graphics		Yes		Yes
Intel® HD Graphics		Yes		Yes
Intel® HD Graphics 
    Dynamic Frequency		Yes		Yes
Graphics Base Frequency		500 MHz		500 MHz
Graphics Max Dyn Freq.		766 MHz		766 MHz
Intel® Flexible 
    Display Interface		Yes		Yes
Intel® Clear Video 
    Technology			Yes		Yes
Intel® Clear Video 
    HD Technology		Yes		Yes
Dual Display Capable		Yes		Yes
Macrovision* License 
    Required			No		No

--------------------------------------------------------------------
Advanced Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Intel® Turbo Boost		Yes		Yes
Intel® Hyper-Threading		Yes		Yes
Intel® Virtualization		Yes		Yes
Intel® Virtualization 
    for Directed I/O (VT-d)	Yes		Yes
Intel® Trusted Execution	Yes		Yes
AES New Instructions		Yes		Yes
Intel® 64			Yes		Yes
Idle States			Yes		Yes
Enhanced Intel® Speedstep 	Yes		Yes
Thermal Monitoring 		Yes		Yes
Intel® Fast Memory Access	Yes		Yes
Intel® Flex Memory Access	Yes		Yes
Execute Disable Bit		Yes		Yes

As you can see, appart from the Processor Number, the Clock Speed and the L3 Level Cache Size, other differences are Max Turbo Frequency, Bus/Core Ratio and intriguingly the fact that the i7 version is Embedded.

:cool:

Oh, and I forgot the difference in the Budgetary Price :p
 
in layman's terms, what does "Embedded" mean in terms of i5 vs i7?

The Intel® Core™ i7-620M ain't "need" a socket cuz it's soldered into the board, like a chipset...

Note that the equivalent Intel® Core™ i5-520M is also embedded. This explains the asynchronous numbering difference in between 540M and 620M...
 
i7s have hyperthreading, i5s don't, that's the real difference between the two. i5s are just i7s without hyperthreading basically (though according to Apples site these i5s do have HT, which I don't know to believe or not).

Please stop spreading lies. Both mobile i5 and mobile i7 include hyperthreading.

Desktop i5 do not have hyperthreading. Desktop i7 do have hyperthreading.
 
Keep in mind the i7 model also has twice the graphics memory, 512MB vs. 256MB.

Mark

Which is the biggest difference, I thought? If I plan on doing 3D rendering with Vectorworks and photo editing/design with CS5, I assume it's worth it for me. What does everyone think?
 
Keep in mind the i7 model also has twice the graphics memory, 512MB vs. 256MB.

Mark

More specifically, on the 15" mbp:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M graphics processor with 256MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.4GHz and 2.53GHz configurations; or 512MB of GDDR3 memory on 2.66GHz configuration

The 17" mbp has 512MB on the 330M in all configurations.
 
Which is the biggest difference, I thought? If I plan on doing 3D rendering with Vectorworks and photo editing/design with CS5, I assume it's worth it for me. What does everyone think?


adobe suites use openGL in order to use the GPU instead of the cpu to speed its screen redraw.

the difference between the i7 and i5 isn't too great, but the difference between 256 mb of Vram and 512 mb of Vram is very great.

Stick with the better GPUs - keep an eye on the heat (islayer stats) and if it gets hot just get one of those cool down pads
 
for Lightroom and Final Cut

i will be getting high-res, matte 15".

question:

- given i will be editing large RAW files (Lightroom) and 1080p video files (Final Cut), what should i buy i5 or the i7 with extra VRAM? will i notice a marked difference?
 
i will be getting high-res, matte 15".

question:

- given i will be editing large RAW files (Lightroom) and 1080p video files (Final Cut), what should i buy i5 or the i7 with extra VRAM? will i notice a marked difference?

Well, if it is either or, go with the 8GB of RAM. For photo and video editing that will make much more of a difference.
I will be using my MBP for editing 21MP Canon 5D MkII RAW files and 35Mbps h.264 video.
Like you, I am getting the 15" high-res matte, but with i7 and a 7200rpm hard drive. When I get it, I will put 8GB of RAM in it(sell the existing 4GB on craigslist), install a 60GB SSD as my boot drive and remove the DVD drive and replace it with the 7200rpm hard drive to use for storage/scratch disk.
 
Well, if it is either or, go with the 8GB of RAM. For photo and video editing that will make much more of a difference.
I will be using my MBP for editing 21MP Canon 5D MkII RAW files and 35Mbps h.264 video.
Like you, I am getting the 15" high-res matte, but with i7 and a 7200rpm hard drive. When I get it, I will put 8GB of RAM in it(sell the existing 4GB on craigslist), install a 60GB SSD as my boot drive and remove the DVD drive and replace it with the 7200rpm hard drive to use for storage/scratch disk.

SNAP! I will be using it with my 5d2 stills and those nice big h.264 mov files too :)

I have an Apple friend who will get me approximately 30% discount so I was thinking why skimp? as i am a semi-pro photographer, i can justify the purchase on these grounds - well to my wife at least :)

i will prob go with more VRAM so 15" i7 it will be - how about you? i guess with discount i may as well spend properly and it will help when re-selling to have a 'maxxed 15incher'. like you, i will be getting 7200rpm and i will eventually upgrade the RAM to 8Gb.

the idea of having a two drive setup with one as a SSD sounds intriguing. like you i will be using the DVD drive very minimally. any projects i need to burn can get done by the Mac Pro. aside from voiding my warranty what are the other downsides of this approach and how much in terms of performance gains will it give. i guess it would really help things along to have two internal drives when running and scratching FCP :)

many thanks.

ps - do you hang-out at Cinema5d? posted this recently:

http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13545
 
SNAP! I will be using it with my 5d2 stills and those nice big h.264 mov files too :)

I have an Apple friend who will get me approximately 30% discount so I was thinking why skimp? as i am a semi-pro photographer, i can justify the purchase on these grounds - well to my wife at least :)

i will prob go with more VRAM so 15" i7 it will be - how about you? i guess with discount i may as well spend properly and it will help when re-selling to have a 'maxxed 15incher'. like you, i will be getting 7200rpm and i will eventually upgrade the RAM to 8Gb.

the idea of having a two drive setup with one as a SSD sounds intriguing. like you i will be using the DVD drive very minimally. any projects i need to burn can get done by the Mac Pro. aside from voiding my warranty what are the other downsides of this approach and how much in terms of performance gains will it give. i guess it would really help things along to have two internal drives when running and scratching FCP :)

many thanks.

ps - do you hang-out at Cinema5d? posted this recently:

http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=13545

Yeah, I am a member of cinema5d.com, it's a good site. As far as the dual hard drive setup goes, there aren't any negatives other than the extra power draw from the additional hard drive. I'm not really sure that it would effect your warranty because you could always just put the DVD drive back in before you bring the MBP in for any repairs.
The performance boost could be significant, especially if you are editing multiple video clips simultaneously. Using the boot/install disk as a scratch drive or for storage is never optimal.
 
The Intel® Core™ i7-620M ain't "need" a socket cuz it's soldered into the board, like a chipset...

Note that the equivalent Intel® Core™ i5-520M is also embedded. This explains the asynchronous numbering difference in between 540M and 620M...

LOL, no. Embedded in this case is a reference to SSE4.1, SSE4.2 instructions being embedded into the i7-620M. It has nothing to do with a socket chip vs hard soldered.
 
LOL @ people arguing over what embedded means.

This is what embedded means.

Intel sells many of it processors for embedded applications that extend the reach of the x86 platform well beyond that traditional desktops, notebooks and servers.

Examples of embedded products could be thing like an ATM machine or a Casino slot machine. Those are products that can use processors that are good options for embedded products.

PCWorld defines it as "A CPU chip used in a device that is not a general-purpose workstation, desktop or laptop computer. Such chips are used by the billions every year in myriad products". Intel also has a page dedicated to embedded solutions

Embedded CPUs have nothing to do with the MacBook Pros or any other computer for that matter. It simply means Intel sells the processor for embedded applications as well.
 
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