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i7 in new Macbook Pro's (October 2009)?
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Um, it was edited before you even posted (you posted while I was adding the i5 info), but I have been editing for the past 10 min.... -.-
i5 provides the CPU guidelines Apple likes to give out. 25W and small cache and small clocks (not too small).
Also, they will be cheaper than i7s leaving Apple with higher margins...
12:06 AM is still before 12:22 AM.
You might want to go back to Wikipedia and look at the prices again. Apple would want to slap the Core i7 name on there just to see it rub off on how much performance you're not really getting. Blame Intel for that naming scheme mess.
Lots of sources have the high end Arrandale (the 2.66GHz) as an i7. Also, when is Arrandale release? Some sources have Q4 '09 and the other half have Q1 '10.
Times were messed up by my edits, but I have no need to lie. I was editing when you posted, however, lets get back to the real topic i5 | i7.
$30 difference between the i5s and the low end i7, but, if you go to the next i7 model there is a rough $200 difference
Q4 2009
Once again, at the same prices and voltages why wouldn't you get the Core i7 just for name alone?
You'd be going down in clock and potentially kill off some battery life. 45W vs 25-35W.
Clock will be meaningless considering the extra cores, but in real world it wouldn't be much difference, just the name "I have an i7 v you have i5."
Edit - Personally, I'd rather have the 25W CPUs and take from there, than have low battery life just for an extra kick in crunching power. But that's me.
I think you're confusing Arrandale and Clarksfield. In addition the Core i5 DM processors are priced at the EXACT SAME points as the Core i7 LM/M processors. They're BOTH Arrandale based as well. There are Arrandale Core i7 processors.
Using Wikipedia as a source is bad enough so if you're pulling information from somewhere else please feel free to enlighten me.
Maybe its my confusion of Clarksfield and Arrandale. So many factors now to look at these beast of chips. I also think its the possibility its almost 12AM and my tired brain is talking incoherences.....
Once I saw the price points and processor listings on Wikipedia, I realized the Core i5 DM and Core i7 LM/M processors were identical in specifications, prices, and voltages. The only niggle I can think of is the lack of VT-d on the Core i5 processors that I know of for certain.
Arrandale exists ACROSS Core i3, Core i5, and Core i7
12 AM is early for me.
12 AM is early for me.
Can you link up a source for a more in detail read of Arrandale... it will most definitely alleviate my confusion.... thxs
12 Am is late for considering I have to wake up at 4AM
Eidorian, jav, what are you guesses for new MBPs? October-November this year, or early 2010. Apple likes to jump on new architectures early like Yonah with the first MBP and Nehalem with the Mac Pro.
I'd say early 2010 because there's still enough of a nVidia on Arrandale/Clarkdale mess left unless Apple goes all discrete graphics.
They will keep same RAM space, same RAM speed, obviously more HDD and lower SSD prices (more space perhaps?)
If they go into i5 or i7, a lower clock and an integrated graphics option for low end MBPs and obviously a discrete option for high/mid end MBPs.
However, if nVidia gets licensing, things can get much more interesting in the graphics front.
Nah, don't think a Penryn update is happening. OEMs are looking to dump Penryns. That why Arrandale was delayed in the first place. Plus, no new Penryn's (at least anything MBP worthy) are in the lineup.
You have the P9500, P9600, P9700.... all of which are lower TDPs (25W) and up the L2 cache to 6MB to compete along their respective counter parts T9500, T9600, T9700 (35W).
Apple uses the (disregard the low-end MBP since it also uses a lower Pxxx series, just at a slower clock) P8600 & P8700 for the 2.53GHz & 2.66GHz MBPs, and the rest are T9xxxs Series.
So I can see apple updating the MBPs one last time before Arrandale or Clarksfield make an appearance in the MBP line. Also, it might buy us some time so nVidia can get their crap together and finally get the licensing over Core i3 | i5 | i7 to produce notebook Logic Boards.
Not trying to be mean but that's still a fail idea. Apple buys lower TDP of the same processor. Most consumers (not us) won't know the difference is Apple uses lower wattage processor and the same clock. 2.8GHz is 2.8GHz no matter what the wattage to them.
Also, NVidia making a chipset for Arrandale procs seems very unnecessary. Arrandales have everything they need. IGP, northbridge. Using an NVidia chipset plus a discrete solution is redundant and would be wasting the IGP and Arrandales other features. Intel has no plans to bring a mobile version of Lynnfield (ie. A dual core processor with no IGP or northbridge) at the moment.
Also, NVidia making a chipset for Arrandale procs seems very unnecessary. Arrandales have everything they need. IGP, northbridge. Using an NVidia chipset plus a discrete solution is redundant and would be wasting the IGP and Arrandales other features. Intel has no plans to bring a mobile version of Lynnfield (ie. A dual core processor with no IGP or northbridge) at the moment.
There are no higher clocked Penryn processors. 3.06 is as high as they are going to go. And Apple can't raise the lower models without raising the higher-end models too. It wouldn't be fair.
No wonder why people all go broke, just trying to keep up with the CPU updates and speeds. I have been in IT for 20 years, and I am so tired of having to feel like I have to buy the latest and greatest so my thought it I will always be 1-2 years behind, less expensive that way.
My New thing also is to buy Apple refurbished notebooks, Apple has great deals on these and I have had great luck with them, so I will get used to saving a few bucks all the time.
I think Vendors/MFG's should spend more time making a select few chips and building on them, Intel and AMD have this great nack for consistantly confusing the CR@P out of people, Geez man perfect one thing before they move onto the next thing.
My New thing also is to buy Apple refurbished notebooks, Apple has great deals on these and I have had great luck with them, so I will get used to saving a few bucks all the time.
I think Vendors/MFG's should spend more time making a select few chips and building on them, Intel and AMD have this great nack for consistantly confusing the CR@P out of people, Geez man perfect one thing before they move onto the next thing.
Lower TDP means, more battery juice and albeit more time surfing the web. Also, it's just not all about clock speed. Take into account the higher L2 caches.
Which is why we have to wait and see what Intel and nVidia say about the licensing. We can all guess, but we must wait and see.
They will make the 3.06GHz option standard as opposed to as an optional configuration and also use higher clocked CPUs along the line. It's merely a speed bump using available CPUs.