iApp Updates Coming: iMovie, iTunes, iPhoto and New App?

[MM2270]

Good to hear, but...

I seriously hope Apple is working on a big update to Keynote already! For as good as it is for essentially a 1.0 app (I know it's at 1.1.1) it has some big deficiencies. It seems they have barely touched this app since it was released, and I know of MANY people who have given feedback on it to Apple. So, I really hope to see a new version really soon. Maybe the new app is a total Office-like suite? I hope so.

Not that I don't like the idea of updated iMovie, iPhoto, etc. but they're much more mature apps already. Time for Apple to put out an Office killer!

Just my 2¢

 

[zamyatin]

Appleworks

A new, overhauled version of Appleworks would be very welcome! As I have said before, and will say again, the most important new feature I want in Appleworks is native, default use of the OpenOffice.org file formats!

Millions of Mac users with Appleworks saving files in OOo's formats, along with tens of millions of Linux and Wintel users saving their files from OOo in OOo's formats will finally crack the MS Office stranglehold! Let it happen!

 

[coolsoldier]

Originally posted by visor
Do you think that is a big market for apple? Just look at the odds - USA how many inhabitants? probably 700 million, all one language, one service provider - easy.

293 Million people in the U.S. And Europe's economy is overall about 150% of the U.S. last time I checked.
So the rest of the world may not be as trivial as you think

That and most of the world can speak some English... worldwide more people speak English as a second language than speak any one language natively.
And even the U.S. is largely bilingual. Heck, here in New Mexico we actually have two official languages.

Not that that's really and issue since Apple's software is already multilingual anyway. And since they have a presence in most European countries already, it shouldn't be that hard to internationalize services like photo printing. (Things like iTMS I can understand the delays).

 

[IJ Reilly]

AppleWorks has just got to go -- and all the evidence points to its imminent demise. It hasn't been updated since OSX was released, and then just barely. All Apple needs is a new word processor, and whether they elect to call it a "productivity suite" or something else, all the pieces are in place. A new word processor could be announced in January (hope, hope), though I agree Steve would almost certainly not not poke Microsoft in the eye by announcing an Apple branded suite package on the same day Microsoft commits to future versions of OfficeX.

Hmm, a joint Office project between Apple and Microsoft... now that's an intriguing idea.

 

[wHo_tHe]

Originally posted by coolsoldier
And Europe's economy is overall about 150% of the U.S. last time I checked.

I'm not calling this into question, but I am curious, by which measure?

 

[coolsoldier]

Originally posted by wHo_tHe
I'm not calling this into question, but I am curious, by which measure?

The combined GNP of European countries as compared to the GNP of the U.S.

I haven't checked recently, but I don't think the ratio has changed that much.

 

[evolu]

Re: Re: Re: Re: iApp Updates Coming: iMovie, iTunes, iPhoto and New App?

Originally posted by visor
The french are the worst with their language, the germans will do everything technically completely different needing to have it their own way, italians are mostly chaotic, but nice britans are incredibly slow for whatever reasons, and all the others are peculiar in their own way.
Damn, if you can make it there....

Spoken like a true American! Yeehaw!

Very sad post.

 

[ITR 81]

Re: Good to hear, but...

Originally posted by MM2270
I seriously hope Apple is working on a big update to Keynote already! For as good as it is for essentially a 1.0 app (I know it's at 1.1.1) it has some big deficiencies. It seems they have barely touched this app since it was released, and I know of MANY people who have given feedback on it to Apple. So, I really hope to see a new version really soon. Maybe the new app is a total Office-like suite? I hope so.

Keynotes 2.0 is supposed to be released in Jan. accordin to recent rumors.

 

[the_mole1314]

Death to Appleworks!

Man, I hate that thing, slow, crappy, and ugly.

 

[pyknosis]

coolsoldier: Just to be precise about the US vs. European GDPs, according to the CIA factbook 2002, which I referenced for this very question a while ago:

USA GDP = ~10 trillion USD
Europe* GDP sum = ~10.4 trillion USD

*Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxemborg, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, UK

So, yes, there is certainly money to be made in the European economy, but at the current time, I think Apple and many other hardware and software companies are trying to establish users in the very rapidly growing Asian economies. Perhaps Europe is on the back burner for a lot of companies because of that focus?

 

[simply258]

Re: Re: Re: Re: iApp Updates Coming: iMovie, iTunes, iPhoto and New App?

Originally posted by visor
The french are the worst with their language, the germans will do everything technically completely different needing to have it their own way, italians are mostly chaotic, but nice britans are incredibly slow for whatever reasons, and all the others are peculiar in their own way.
Damn, if you can make it there....

1 + 1 = ?

 

[simply258]

Originally posted by Kid Red
I think Apple could make a nice Appleworks type office app and would be a possible $49 paid iApp.

I think that's pushing it a little bit. Keynote alone currently sells for $99. You want $49 for a whole suite of up to 6 apps ? If they do come out with something that includes word processing, page layout, painting, spreadsheet, database, and presentations (as per AppleWorks), plus maybe a web site app, I think $199 (for a GOOD/Office X quality product) would seem about right.

 

[simply258]

Re: Re: appleworks replacement

Originally posted by visor
Appleworks is a complete desaster. I think it needs to be redone from scratch, but I don't think we'll see one because m$ has that market.

IE had the market on the Mac not long ago.

 

[kherdin]

Really, what Apple needs to do with its iApps is the same thing it has done with Jaguar's Preview to make Panther's Preview. Anyone who's used Jaguar's preview to open large (and even medium-sized and small) pdfs would attest to how SLOW it was. But, if you look at Panther's on identical hardware, the difference is amazing. Panther is just SO MUCH FASTER, its crazy.

I think Apple should apply this tactic to every one of its iApps, cuz we have to admit it, they are all slow. On some, like iPhoto, its much more noticeable than on others, like iTunes. But even iTunes is slow, just try resizing a window with a medium-sized playlist open in it, and see how choppy it is on anything short of G5 hardware.

If Apple were to do a revamp of every one of its iApps in the same manner that they did the Jaguar's Preview ---> Panther's Preview revamp, all the apps would be speed demons, and Apple would trully have an amazing offering.

 

[uberman42]

My guess as to the other app- Apple announces it has bought Adobe and resells CS suite for $199 causing a massive migration of Windows users to Mac. Apple Acrobat is now sold for $29.99 and is still available as a PC app. Word users convert, loving it because what they create is now in PDF format that can be exchanged by all platforms. Woman sues Apple when she is trampled as customers lunge at the pyramid of Apple CS boxes in front of the store. More news at 11....

 

[uberman42]

can you imagine if apple came out with a revised spreadsheet application without the feature bloat of Excel? I love excel, but there is a lot of stuff that it can do without (keeps the formulas and intergrate applescript as the macro) That would be keen for Apple to come out with next. Businesses would love it.

 

[Potus]

Originally posted by Sonofhaig
I burn my entire album to CD at the end of every year and start fresh with the coming year..... it works for me.
The scary part is throwing away last years album. I always make sure the CD works ( and I usually make 2).

Thanks for the tip: I'm going to do that, too.

 

[Natron]

While I am waiting on a full on Apple Office solution, I don't think it will come in January. Recent rumors say that we won't see a major office pack until late 2004, or after the next version of MS Office (which, as other rumors have claimed, will be announced in January (or early '04)) Coupled with the .doc support in TextEdit in Panther, I think that is acting as a hold over until we see an office pack.

Anyway, as for the iApps, I think we'll see iPhoto 3, iMovie 3.5 (or 4), maybe iTunes 4.2 (5 would be doubtful), and an update to iDVD.

Other apps I would like to see are:

1 - audio editing/mixing (similar to Peak)

2 - an "iTunes for movies" app, basically organizes and plays back qt movies (integration with qt site and music videos in iTMS, maybe search of videos online, streaming videos (maybe including different services, (adcritic)))

3 - a web app, basically integrating photos, calendars, etc. into one interface (this could be a .Mac deal, but I don't think it should be exclusively)

I thought I had a few others, but I can't think of them right now. Maybe back later.

 

[wellumok]

Keynote Features that would be great

Here are some features I would like to see in a future version of Keynote - who knows - maybe it will happen in Jan

- true dual-monitor support so that you can have your presentation showing on one monitor while you have the editing window in front of you

- this would allow you to be able to edit the presentation and browse around it without changing anything on the presentation

- it would also allow to use a video feed or video on your hard drive as a background and add text to it live
screen

these features, among others, are currently a part of a program called mediashout, which is in the process of being ported to mac os x, but it would be great if they could be in keynote as well

http://www.mediashout.com/about_ms/

 

[SiliconAddict]

Originally posted by ITR 81
MS won't pull out because as soon as they do another anti-trust lawsuit will spring up. MS wouldn't dare do that even if Apple released Office app.

Actually Microsoft could kill office in a manner that would appear legit. Let Apple’s new Office app get nice and cozy (maybe 6 months.) and then drop the bombshell that hey if Apple is going to create their own Office suite why do they need MS Office. It’s basically the same reason they gave for **** canning IE. And frankly it’s hard to prove anticompetitive practices when your competitors put out a product to compete against yours. It would be as if MS giving up on the Apple platform would be anticompetitive and that can’t be claimed.
Contrary to popular belief there are A LOT of people that would not even consider a Mac if MS Office wasn’t available.
Someone had mentioned in a thread I read that the thing going on between Apple and Microsoft is like a cold war. Dang straight. Apple has an aging Appleworks product that is sitting out there and languishing. The closest Apple has come to sending a shot across Microsoft’s bow is with Keynote and even then that was ONE app.
I’m wondering if there is an unspoken agreement where as long as Apple doesn’t decide to update or push a new Office suite Microsoft will continue to support the Mac platform. I personally think both companies are hovering over the BUTTON. Apple wants to get this collar they have around there neck off but can’t really predict how the market would react and Microsoft wants to drop Mac support in a big way but right now is somewhat fearful as to what new antitrust charges would get slapped on them with such an action. If anything they are looking for an excuse.

PS- I’ve always wondered how the developers who are in the Microsoft Mac BU are treated by the rest?

 

[coolsoldier]

The Mac (and Windows too, really) needs a second office suite that is comparable to and compatible with MS Office, but I think it would be best for the platform if that competing office software was not distributed by Apple. It would be a much smarter move to perhaps quietly support a third-party Mac developer (we do still have some of those) in the project rather than risk pissing of MS by doing it themselves.

 

[DangerDiabolik]

I'd LOVE a Quicktime meets itunes/iphoto app for organzing video

- iTime ?

if its a new simpel Word processing app...how bout we get crazy and call it

- iWord

Finally I woudl LOVE a consumer grade box that coudl help me get tv/vcr into my computer

- iIn or iBox, ?

 

[singletrack]

Re: Not so sure

Originally posted by wHo_tHe
Plus, iChat would be hard sell to Windows users, since it's pretty ordinary in terms of functionality among IM apps, especially on the Windows side, where many more options exist.

You'd think so, but everytime I drop an image, a PDF or other file on an iChat window for a user to be told it's rejected by their windows based software seems to say otherwise.

Like most Apple apps, it looks simple but hides quite a bit of functionality that just works like you think it should.

 

[JDOG_]

Why do people want a new word processor? MS word is excellent and the industry standard. When you work cross-platform you'll appreciate it, I think a lot of people rag on it because they're the Mac only type.

I think a lot of things need to be added to iTunes and iPhoto basically needs a complete overhaul...for self-tauting it as the "missing link in photography" it fails to live up to that as I had more luck with Microsoft's Photo Wizard with my old laptop. In fact I still have to use my PC to put pictures onto my website because I don't want to pay $40 for a decent ftp program.

I also want them to rework all the iApps so they don't double the space when you import files into them...it took me weeks to realize my 40mb movie took up 4 gigs b/c of iMovie....blegh

 

[singletrack]

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Actually Microsoft could kill office in a manner that would appear legit. Let Apple’s new Office app get nice and cozy (maybe 6 months.) and then drop the bombshell that hey if Apple is going to create their own Office suite why do they need MS Office. It’s basically the same reason they gave for **** canning IE.

The difference being that web browsers use open published standards for their documents. Office on the other hand does not. That is what is anti competitive. You're welcome to come up with your own word processor format but that would be almost as silly as coming up with your own browser that didn't support HTML.

And frankly it’s hard to prove anticompetitive practices when your competitors put out a product to compete against yours. It would be as if MS giving up on the Apple platform would be anticompetitive and that can’t be claimed.

See above. Apple seems to use XML for everything these days - that's playing nice in the market.

The closest Apple has come to sending a shot across Microsoft’s bow is with Keynote and even then that was ONE app.

Safari, Quicktime, iTunes with AAC only. Adding word support in textedit, improved Appleworks M$ support in v6.2.7.

I’m wondering if there is an unspoken agreement where as long as Apple doesn’t decide to update or push a new Office suite Microsoft will continue to support the Mac platform. I personally think both companies are hovering over the BUTTON. Apple wants to get this collar they have around there neck off but can’t really predict how the market would react and Microsoft wants to drop Mac support in a big way but right now is somewhat fearful as to what new antitrust charges would get slapped on them with such an action. If anything they are looking for an excuse.

Possibly. It revolves around Microsoft using an open format for their documents though. .DOC, .XLS etc have become ubiquitous in business to the point that you have to support them in any word processor or spreadsheet. M$ keeping them secret harms competition.