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IBM Announces New Chip Making Method

Cool...

Well I said before and I'll say it again... Good Riddance Motorola... Gone are the days of insignificant "speed-bumps" from Motorola, instead we are getting new pioneering technology that will keep Intel scrambling. Yeah, IBM.
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral (Coral who?) have dropped mac support

(Beleaguered) Palm have dropped mac supporrt[sic]1

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's[sic]2 range (where it couldn't compete with Apple).

Companies like Epson havn't[sic]3 bother[ed]4 to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers (but Apple have kindly bundled a bunch of free ones with OSX and my 1520 works a charm).
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And there are a lot of new companies in the enterprise and scientific area coming to the Mac who wouldn't have considered it even 2 years ago.

Rest assured the Mac share is increasing and there will come the day when these companies post job positions looking for Mac developers when they realise what they're missing.

1,2,3,4 And you're a governor?
 
Originally posted by ipiloot
The fight is going on on the other fronts as well. SCO is starting to lose ground, M$ code leaks in to Internet, IBM is planning their own Blue Linux with good GUI as well as Sun is shining around with their Looking Glass demos. Add here stronger and stronger Linux presense on desktop, possible Linux API-s friendly OSX 10.4 and slowdown of Longhorn, mix, stir and you get very strong alterenate front against both monopolies.

I hope it's not wishful thinking.
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I agree. I don't think this spells the END OF INTEL, as I'm sure they have some awesome stuff cooking behind closed doors. But this does feel like a huge leap forward for Apple, IBM, and anyone interested in toppling the Wintel monopoly.

I don't think it's wishful thinking at all. 😉
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral have dropped mac support

Palm have dropped mac supporrt

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's range.

Companies like Epson havn't bother to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers.

It seems just as Apple have started to produce a really decent product, that works, is virus free, etc etc many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. I don't know how Apple can turn this around. It must be so depressing to work at Apple developng these fantastic products that are just dismissed.

Depressing.
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Exactly my thoughts. Apple will have a hard time to survive, no matter how "cool" their computers might be right now! The best platform is worth nothing without Software! And that also includes mainstream software! I am worried that it is too late for Apple meanwhile to turn this, no matter how fast their computers are or how good their OS is...

We'll see what's gonna happen! 🙁

Greetings from Berlin,

groovebuster
 
warming up my credit card 🙂 i do expect the announcement of these new powermac g5s in march. and i just hope, they will be available pretty soon afterwards.

and those powerbook g5s in the end of the year. i'll get one of'em, too!

what else could i buy? 🙂
.a
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral have dropped mac support

Palm have dropped mac supporrt

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's range.

Companies like Epson havn't bother to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers.

I have three children at different schools and I am a governor of a fourth and there is no way any of these would go the Mac route, there simply isn't any software available for educational use in GB in accordance withthe sylabilus.

It seems just as Apple have started to produce a really decent product, that works, is virus free, etc etc many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. I don't know how Apple can turn this around. It must be so depressing to work at Apple developng these fantastic products that are just dismissed.

Depressing.
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No One buys Corel Graphic Suite because it really sucks, I can buy Freehand & FireWorks for a similar price...
The only good software of Corel is KnockOut & Painter, buyed from MetaCreations..
Corel IS DIYING!

There is no Palm company, there is PalmSource or PalmOne..
PalmSource has never offered support for mac, PalmOne did.
PalmSource only makes de OS and the Palm Desktop suite...
PalmOne can support the mac or not.. No one knows that..
I use a Clié and Sony never supported the Mac...

Adobe hasn't dropped Mac support, they have dropped Premiere on the Mac.. Why? because No One in the industry use it, Avid, Final Cut, Media 100...

Some Epson printers have good Os X drivers some not.. But all drivers developed by Epson sucks.. On *ANY* platform..
HP, Lexmark, brother..
Did u know what is a print server? all airport xt base stations have one... And you can buy one for less than 25$ it'll make all your printers work with any os..

"many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. "

Can u explain to me, Why the mac comunity represents 40% of Maya sales? or Photoshop? Dreamweaver? Fireworks? Indesing? Quark? and a lot of SoftWare?
Are Mac users buying 3 copies of every soft they use?

//Sorry for my english... I'm Spanish//
 
A watched pot

Originally posted by .a
warming up my credit card 🙂 i do expect the announcement of these new powermac g5s in march. and i just hope, they will be available pretty soon afterwards.

and those powerbook g5s in the end of the year. i'll get one of'em, too!

what else could i buy? 🙂
.a
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I wish people would just stop speculating on these things and look the other way.😉
A watched pot never boils.
Every day there's some speculation that the announcment is coming 'any day now'.
I'm sure Apple are just not releasing anything out of spite. The sooner everyone stops looking or expecting anything the sooner we'll get our fix of goodies.
So stop it, stop it now.
There is n o t h i n g coming 😉 😉 😀
 
Originally posted by jrv3034
But this does feel like a huge leap forward for Apple, IBM, and anyone interested in toppling the Wintel monopoly.
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How does that help Apple? It doesn't make more people buying a Mac. The hardware might be one part of the equation, but people who were not interested in Mac before will not buy one just because Apple is using PPC970FX processors. If Intel is tumbling AMD will take over. Their processors are head to head with the PPCs in performance and probably will stay like this. So no real reason for Windows/Linux users to switch platforms. For that the performance gap would have to be really significant to be the reason for switching.

Even though Apple sold more units, they didn't increase market share. That's because the Computer industry is growing anyway at the moment. I am very sceptical about the sales numbers Apple will present for this quarter.

groovebuster
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral have dropped mac support

Palm have dropped mac supporrt

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's range.

Companies like Epson havn't bother to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers.

I have three children at different schools and I am a governor of a fourth and there is no way any of these would go the Mac route, there simply isn't any software available for educational use in GB in accordance withthe sylabilus.

It seems just as Apple have started to produce a really decent product, that works, is virus free, etc etc many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. I don't know how Apple can turn this around. It must be so depressing to work at Apple developng these fantastic products that are just dismissed.

Depressing.
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As a developer in educational software (for university students) I guess you need to understand that these things go in waves. While Mac sales have slumped for a number of years, the upturn in Mac's fortunes will probably help the educational sector.

We all forget the YEARS that Apple spent trying to shift people onto OS X from their old legacy OS. Now it's a done deal, and apps continue to pour out for OS X.

Much of the exisiting educational software market seems to be legacy garbage, that would be just as well chucked anyway. The new push for web / java apps inside a school's network are one wave of the future that works back in Apple's favor.

As for your comments about firms dropping the Mac, let's be honest. Corel (who I assume you mean) was always very weak on the Mac side. It competed on price on the PC side, but against Adobe Photoshop for the Mac or now Photoshop Elements (on the low price end) it can't hold it's own.

As for Adobe dropping support, I hardly think they'll drop the Mac. Sure they're pissed off at Apple for FCP, but Premiere was getting ANCIENT and becoming a real dog. And while Adobe may have dropped Pagemaker, they did that on both platforms. So Adobe is NOT going to stop shipping Mac applications anytime soon.

As for drivers, some companies are faster at updates than others. HP is notorious for having old updated drivers even for their Windows printers (hardly a small market for them). But don't expect these to give up on Macs either.

I hear your frustrations, but now back to the thread. Hopefully in a couple of years we'll have even more things to be happy about than these cool new chips, but they are a GREAT step for all Mac users, professionals and school kids alike.
 
Now I'm buying

I've avoided buying a PowerMac since I got my B&W G3 years back. The G4 line was always a compromise in one way or another. The first G5, while admirable, was still a rush job when you look at the component diagram.

That's not to say Apple was wrong - it needs to have new products to sell; it's just that from an engineering perspective it was a Volvo, not a Benz.

This chip changes everything. This really signals the emergence of Apple as providing the best personal computer chip on the planet. Wow, I'd like at least two in my new PowerMac.
 
Re: Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by groovebuster
Exactly my thoughts. Apple will have a hard time to survive, no matter how "cool" their computers might be right now! The best platform is worth nothing without Software! And that also includes mainstream software! I am worried that it is too late for Apple meanwhile to turn this, no matter how fast their computers are or how good their OS is...

We'll see what's gonna happen! 🙁

Greetings from Berlin,

groovebuster
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Yes the marketshare is not good but I think the software situation is improving, if not as dramatically as some would hope. I think the suite of consumer apps available on the Mac is WAY better than anything on the PC side, thanks to Apple. Yes, we don't have the quantity, but we do have the quality. And some pro markets are also much better on the Mac side, thanks to Apple. I admit that maybe if Apple's marketshare was bigger, we'd get more niche markets opening up to Macs. I'm still waiting for AutoCAD to be ported (I have less and less hope everyday.)

sorry about the digression...
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral have dropped mac support

Palm have dropped mac supporrt

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's range.

Companies like Epson havn't bother to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers.

I have three children at different schools and I am a governor of a fourth and there is no way any of these would go the Mac route, there simply isn't any software available for educational use in GB in accordance withthe sylabilus.

It seems just as Apple have started to produce a really decent product, that works, is virus free, etc etc many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. I don't know how Apple can turn this around. It must be so depressing to work at Apple developng these fantastic products that are just dismissed.

Depressing.
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I find it depressing that you can be so aware of certain bits of the situation and yet so mistaken about the implications. You are the one dismissing things with very little substantive information to back up your assertion that there is no software available for educational use in GB in accordance with the syllabus (not sylabilus, governor). Please explain exactly what functionality is lacking and how that would make it impossible to use Macs in your schools. What information do you have about the situation that the state of Maine, Henrico County and VA tech might have missed?
 
Corel vs. Illustrator

Losing Corel is not a big deal because so few Mac users use it, but let's get real for a minute. In their current forms, CorelDraw is superior to Illustrator, which has grown bloated and buggy (and hence has no speed or stability advantage over CorelDraw). Adobe has been sloppy with its near monopoly on the segment and Illustrator has paid the price. The only difference between the two is the feature set at this point, and CD has always been superior in that area. And yes, I am a professional designer (and a very good one, if I may say so myself) that uses both programs on both platforms. Five years ago, no contest - AI was fast and stable compared to CD. Mac users never warmed to CD simply because it started as a PC app. Not invented here, so forget it. Not that any of that matters at this point. I'm still waiting for a legit competitor to PhotoShop, which is vastly overpriced (and with the CS version getting slower). Maybe Apple will do it if Adobe leans more towards PCs.
 
Re: Re: this is good news....

Originally posted by JtheLemur
(sorry i couldnt help it, what's with everyone sounding like Apple is a religion lately? i'm a huge fan of course, but come on... )
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"lately"???

Where have you been for the last 20 years?

😀
 
Re: Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by coolkamio
No One buys Corel Graphic Suite because it really sucks, I can buy Freehand & FireWorks for a similar price...
The only good software of Corel is KnockOut & Painter, buyed from MetaCreations..
Corel IS DIYING!

There is no Palm company, there is PalmSource or PalmOne..
PalmSource has never offered support for mac, PalmOne did.
PalmSource only makes de OS and the Palm Desktop suite...
PalmOne can support the mac or not.. No one knows that..
I use a Clié and Sony never supported the Mac...

Adobe hasn't dropped Mac support, they have dropped Premiere on the Mac.. Why? because No One in the industry use it, Avid, Final Cut, Media 100...

Some Epson printers have good Os X drivers some not.. But all drivers developed by Epson sucks.. On *ANY* platform..
HP, Lexmark, brother..
Did u know what is a print server? all airport xt base stations have one... And you can buy one for less than 25$ it'll make all your printers work with any os..

"many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. "

Can u explain to me, Why the mac comunity represents 40% of Maya sales? or Photoshop? Dreamweaver? Fireworks? Indesing? Quark? and a lot of SoftWare?
Are Mac users buying 3 copies of every soft they use?

//Sorry for my english... I'm Spanish//
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So what did you try to prove here? Actually you just confirmed what he said.

That Corel sucks might be, but in the PC world many people are using it. A program that is missing is a reason for most people not to switch. And especially for semi-professional and private users Coral offers a lot of templates and stuff. On the Mac you don't have anything that addresses the needs of users like that. To use Freehand you need to be an artist to get satisfying results. (No discussion about the quality of stuff that people are doing with Corel please, that's not the subject!)

Now to Premiere... Why does nobody use Premiere on the Mac? Because Adobe didn't go on optimizing and developing it for years. The result was a buggy and slow software. That doesn't change that Premiere is still widely used in the PC world...

That creative software has a share of 40% on the Mac is just because Apple was always strong there. But you shouldn't forget that this share is decreasing every year. And this market is a very small niche. How many people are graphic designers or video editors compared to the rest of the crowd that buys a computer? Let me tell you... not many. And for other things Macs are hardly used anyway. So for most software companies it doesn't make sense to develop software for a 1% market!

And Maya? I know someone who is a really good 3D artist and won many international prices already for his work. He works on a PC! And you know why? Because he doesn't get all the little plug ins for the Mac that make daily life in production easier. That was always the main reason why he didn't switch and still won't! The sales numbers of Maya don't tell the whole story...

So far so good.

groovebuster
 
Originally posted by the_mole1314
This is great news. And Intel seems to be screwed over with Presscot. HURAH!
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I agree. With Intel's Prescott line of Pentium 4s not showing performance improvement (they're actually SLOWER than the previous generation at current clock speeds) and IBM's PowerPC 970FX looking more efficient/faster than the regular PowerPC 970, plus having the PowerPC 975 (and other PowerPCs too) in development, the future looks far brighter for IBM than for Intel. Another thing that holds Intel back (but not IBM, thanks to SOI and SSOI) is their inability to get any significant power consumption drop on their move from a 130 nm to a 90 nm production process.
 
Originally posted by Viv
ARE YOU READING THIS MOTOROLA?

This is how a real company makes chips! they keep updating them, they keep moving forwards.

For those of you who have forgoten motorola or are to new to know about them, they were the feckless bunch that consigned Apple to the sidelines for years as they could not get their act together and keep upgrading the G3/G4s

Thank god for IBM

Now how soon till we can start the Powerbook G5 rumors?
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uhhh.... The G3 was produced by IBM.....
 
IBM has been in the news much lately, and they're doing a great job. Apple will be huge(er) eventually, if they're smart and stay with IBM.
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
The trouble is ...

That Coral have dropped mac support

Palm have dropped mac supporrt

Adobe has dropped Mac support from part of it's range.

Companies like Epson havn't bother to support many of their hardware products under OSX - no OSX drivers.

I have three children at different schools and I am a governor of a fourth and there is no way any of these would go the Mac route, there simply isn't any software available for educational use in GB in accordance withthe sylabilus.

It seems just as Apple have started to produce a really decent product, that works, is virus free, etc etc many software companies have decided that 3% just isn't worth the bother any more. I don't know how Apple can turn this around. It must be so depressing to work at Apple developng these fantastic products that are just dismissed.

Depressing.
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yes I agree with you, but Adobe decided to drop Premiere for exampel due to competition by Apple's Final Cut Pro.
I guess we will see more and more Apple developping software, because third party softwares do not exist, or are not updated frequently enough.
iLife, etc... are probably the results of this absence of third-party softwares for the Mac, I personaly think that it sucks, but business-wise it could be interesting for Apple, providing hardware, and highly optimized software solutions.
Now, if Apple's hardware keeps doing well as introduction of the G5 iniated it , then do not worry, we will see suddenly plenty of software companies changing their minds and porting their applications to OSX.
 
Originally posted by Counterfit
*sniff sniff* That smell is familiar...
*sniff* I know! NEW POBWERBOOKS!

Still have that smell on mine...
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What are POB-WER-BOOKS?

a new line of novels from the author Pob Wer.?

😀
 
more important

Originally posted by wrldwzrd89
I agree. With Intel's Prescott line of Pentium 4s not showing performance improvement (they're actually SLOWER than the previous generation at current clock speeds) and IBM's PowerPC 970FX looking more efficient/faster than the regular PowerPC 970, plus having the PowerPC 975 (and other PowerPCs too) in development, the future looks far brighter for IBM than for Intel. Another thing that holds Intel back (but not IBM, thanks to SOI and SSOI) is their inability to get any significant power consumption drop on their move from a 130 nm to a 90 nm production process.
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more important is not only performance, it is also production yield.
Intel has now delaied its road map for prescott for almost 6 month now, originally a prescott 4GHz was planned by the end of 2004, now it is rather Q1 2005, with 3.6GHz at the end of 2004...
so it is not only the performance which are lower than expected, it is also the way it will move on...
 
Re: The Trouble is....

Originally posted by JW Pepper
I have three children at different schools and I am a governor of a fourth and there is no way any of these would go the Mac route, there simply isn't any software available for educational use in GB in accordance withthe sylabilus.
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First, good job in not helping to increase Apple's market share.

Second, I suppose a good word processor and simple Epson printer aren't enough for a student today? Yeah, better get that PC so you can run Corel DRAW, Adobe Premiere and sync the bevy of PALMs you apparently own.

Third, how about a little wine with that cheese. I use a Mac professionally and personally and it fits my needs quite well.

Ah... I feel much better now. Thanks.
 
Originally posted by MacsRgr8
If this is the reason why the G5 can run at speeds up to 3 GHz, then Steve's 3 GHz -promise "This time next year" was a dangerous one to say the least. Odds were pretty much against it then....
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. . . Only if Steve had no clue what was going on. Given the close relationship Apple has with IBM, and given how clear his promise was, I'd say he had been clued in as to what to expect.
 
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